RE: Geneva: Porsche 911 Turbo S Returns

[Silver993tt]

Moosh said:

vrdhir said:

IMHO your better spending your montey on either a Nissan GTR or Audi R8

Exactly. If I was buying a Nissan GTR wouldn't I be better spending my money on a Subaru?

[Gary C]

Supersonic7 said:

Yawn...........

For that money Aston martin V12 Vantage please, so much more special, heck even an R8 is more special!! Porsche for all their engineering ability need to create a car that is £100k special and this simply isn't. Come on Porsche, the games moved on and you have been caught resting on your laurels!!

Regards,

Supersonic

Odd really, but the Turbo in a way, does not need to be 'special', the GT2/3/RS variants are the 'special' cars, but I agree with you in a way, Porsche should really make a roadgoing GT1 type car to put at the top of the tree to take Ferrari's and others head on.


The Turbo is an everyday 'super' car in a different mould to the GTR.

Personally, I would like a GT3RS

[DG27]

I have just ordered one, dont disagree with many comments but being a club memebr of a supercar car club and having other cars as well, the sheer stealth and speed attract although on this one, i'll have the aerokit for a bit more bling

[Anh]

Silver993tt said:

Moosh said:

vrdhir said:

IMHO your better spending your montey on either a Nissan GTR or Audi R8

Exactly. If I was buying a Nissan GTR wouldn't I be better spending my money on a Subaru?

Because an Impreza is no match to a GTR, hence the price difference.

Where as 997 Turbo or Turbo S is equal performance to the GTR but for 2x the price, with very little to show for that price difference.

Your snobbery stinks.

Regards,

Anh

[Silver993tt]

Anh said:

Silver993tt said:

Moosh said:

vrdhir said:

IMHO your better spending your montey on either a Nissan GTR or Audi R8

Exactly. If I was buying a Nissan GTR wouldn't I be better spending my money on a Subaru?

Because an Impreza is no match to a GTR, hence the price difference.

Where as 997 Turbo or Turbo S is equal performance to the GTR but for 2x the price, with very little to show for that price difference.

Your snobbery stinks.

Regards,

Anh

yep, you're right it's rubbish, Porsche AG haven't got a clue. They won't sell any because it's so bad and clearly more than double the price it should be. Ferrari are also rubbish and overpriced, so they haven't got a clue either. They won't be selling any more now the Nissan is available.

Nobody will buy a watch over £50, what's the point, they all tell the same time don't they? If fact a Casio is probably more accurate than many watches costing £1000s, so none of these are worth buying either.

Edited by Silver993tt on Friday 5th March 17:06

[Anh]

Silver993tt said:

yep, you're right it's rubbish, Porsche AG haven't got a clue. They won't sell any because it's so bad and clearly more than double the price it should be. Ferrari are also rubbish and overpriced, so they haven't got a clue either. They won't be selling any more now the Nissan is available.

Nobody will buy a watch over £50, what's the point, they all tell the same time don't they? If fact a Casio is probably more accurate than many watches costing £1000s, so none of these are worth buying either.

Edited by Silver993tt on Friday 5th March 17:06

Ferrari build their cars from the ground up using materials other than steel, and many components are handmade or handcrafted, the same with the Honda NSX and a few other supercars.

Porsche on the other hand are charging well over 100k for a 60k base car that is made from steel, plastic and rubber at the automated assembly plant. I dont see BMW charging £100k for some special edition M3, and yet the quality and fitting of the 3 series is light years ahead of a 996 or 997.

There is nothing wrong withe the 911 Turbo S, but you do not have to spend 100k for a daily accessible high performance car with decent quality construction.

Regards,

Anh

[Pesty]

Anh said:

[ I dont see BMW charging £100k for some special edition M3, and yet the quality and fitting of the 3 series is light years ahead of a 996 or 997.

ahem
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

[Silver993tt]

Pesty said:

Anh said:

[ I dont see BMW charging £100k for some special edition M3, and yet the quality and fitting of the 3 series is light years ahead of a 996 or 997.

ahem
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

or this
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1393953.htm

[johnycarrera]

My 993 turbo S came from the factory with the GT2 aero bits, chances are many folk will spec their 997s similarly and thus they'll look a little more appealing for those who want it, but less of a wild 2wd ride like the GT2?
I like it, it'll hold it's money better than the turbo too (important to some) I'd definitely have one and be happy to pay the extra (if I could afford it) the roads in Scotland are so bad now a GT2 would be no use unfortunately!

[LCR270]

stunning bit of stats as expected from turbo s and this price range, but it's lacking the buzz and excitement of many other new supercars, it is definately time to move the 911 shape along, or just build the 918 instead

[Beirut Taxi]

Anh said:

Ferrari build their cars from the ground up using materials other than steel, and many components are handmade or handcrafted, the same with the Honda NSX and a few other supercars.

Porsche on the other hand are charging well over 100k for a 60k base car that is made from steel, plastic and rubber at the automated assembly plant.

Regards,

Anh

Anh, can you tell me why using steel (presumably for the body) is a disadvantage over other materials?

What do competing cars use instead of plastics and rubbers?



Regards,

Matt

Edited by Beirut Taxi on Friday 5th March 23:49

[Mr Whippy]

Beirut Taxi said:

Anh said:

Ferrari build their cars from the ground up using materials other than steel, and many components are handmade or handcrafted, the same with the Honda NSX and a few other supercars.

Porsche on the other hand are charging well over 100k for a 60k base car that is made from steel, plastic and rubber at the automated assembly plant.

Regards,

Anh

Anh, can you tell me why using steel (presumably for the body) is a disadvantage over other materials?

What do competing cars use instead of plastics and rubbers?



Regards,

Matt

Edited by Beirut Taxi on Friday 5th March 23:49

I think the point is that Ferrari prices are justified with their build process. Ie, foundry, casting, machining, hand finishing, painting and everything on-site.

Porsche just run a normal factory process like say BMW, yet their Turbo S is approaching Ferrari money.


I suppose you only need to look how Porsche have managed to make a huge profit to understand that they must make em cheap, sell em expensive (relatively speaking)

Dave

[Silver993tt]

Mr Whippy said:

Beirut Taxi said:

Anh said:

Ferrari build their cars from the ground up using materials other than steel, and many components are handmade or handcrafted, the same with the Honda NSX and a few other supercars.

Porsche on the other hand are charging well over 100k for a 60k base car that is made from steel, plastic and rubber at the automated assembly plant.

Regards,

Anh

Anh, can you tell me why using steel (presumably for the body) is a disadvantage over other materials?

What do competing cars use instead of plastics and rubbers?



Regards,

Matt

Edited by Beirut Taxi on Friday 5th March 23:49

I think the point is that Ferrari prices are justified with their build process. Ie, foundry, casting, machining, hand finishing, painting and everything on-site.

Porsche just run a normal factory process like say BMW, yet their Turbo S is approaching Ferrari money.


I suppose you only need to look how Porsche have managed to make a huge profit to understand that they must make em cheap, sell em expensive (relatively speaking)

Dave

For all the 'hand finishing' etc, Ferrari build quality is noticeably lacking in many areas compared to that of Porsche. I'd prefer an accurate laser guided macnine to assemble my car than someone human who maybe has mood swings, gut problems, a hang over or family issues. It's the only way consistent quality can be guaranteed.

Edited by Silver993tt on Saturday 6th March 06:52

[SCREWBOY]

Looks pretty damn nice to me!! not too showy, but capable of incredible performance, lets be honest if your even thinking about buying this car you would have to be minted!! so if Porsche's do it for you why would you not want the Turbo S??? if your lucky enough to be in the position to get one do it. If only those bloody lotto numbers would come in!!!!!! i would gladly add it to the Ferrari,s lambo,s and Aston,s in my fantasy garage!

[geoffracing]

And another one bites the dust...eh!
And another 911.
And another 911.
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Surely the moulds are completely worrrn out by now?
Anyway I have seen enough of it, even if they aren't common cars.

[chelme]

vrdhir said:

IMHO your better spending your montey on either a Nissan GTR or Audi R8

I agree, this is BOOORING!!! I have time for the GT3 and the GT3RS, but this?

[HAB]

chelme said:

vrdhir said:

IMHO your better spending your montey on either a Nissan GTR or Audi R8

I agree, this is BOOORING!!! I have time for the GT3 and the GT3RS, but this?

You do realise he's taking the piss?

[Beirut Taxi]

The few who say it's 'boring' do make me laugh.

They've probably never even been near a Turbo let alone driven or been taken out in one

[IM NUTS2]

Beirut Taxi said:

The few who say it's 'boring' do make me laugh.

They've probably never even been near a Turbo let alone driven or been taken out in one

Yep i was one and have driven a 997 Turbo and a 993 GT2.

I think your find most of the boring comments are about the styling but the 993 Turbo s had somthing about it to me this car doesn't.

[k-ink]

They still have those ugly bolt on 996 side vents. This deserves a little more effort, with blended in 993 S style vents.