Falken 452's or Vredestein Sessanta's?

Falken 452's or Vredestein Sessanta's?

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tomwoodis

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569 posts

146 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Just wondering what people would choose out of these 2 tyres.

I understand both have had excellent reviews, i've even had the Falken's on a previous car and found them to be good myself.

I've not used the Vredestein's but they seem to get equally good reviews. I'm particularly interested in these as I know other Z4 owners have switched their runflats to these and found them to work well.

In the sizes I need (225 40 18 front) (255 35 18 Rear), the Falken's work out to be about £70 - £80 cheaper.

Anybody had both of these and know what the differences are. Is the Falken tyre likely to wear a bit quicker?

Would appreciate any advice.


jon-

16,095 posts

178 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Ultrac Sessanta is the newer tyre, both get equally raved about.

speed8

4,814 posts

235 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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I've used both but on different cars. The falkens are fine in the dry they feel a bit poor in the wet in my experience. The ultrac sessentas have been pretty good, maybe not quite so good in the dry but much better in the wet. Different cars mind so not a direct comparison.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

208 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

139 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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I've just worn out a set of FK452s at 12,000 miles.

They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:

1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.

2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.

I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.

bigdods

7,009 posts

189 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
No such thing as 'proper' tyres. Just because they are more expensive doesnt make them better. A great many TVR owners are now using Falken FK452's , so for a light weight high power RWD car I think we can safely say they work well.

If others with the same car as you have rate them highly then you should listen to their recommendation.

IME falkens dont suit heavier cars. I have 452's on the TVR and a Golf V5 , they are excellent on both. But I tried them on my Omega 3.0 and they were very poor.

ETA: Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling




Edited by bigdods on Monday 31st May 22:50

Glassman

21,041 posts

177 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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+1 for Vredestein

tr7v8

6,518 posts

190 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
I've just worn out a set of FK452s at 12,000 miles.

They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:

1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.

2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.

I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.
My findings exactly on the Jag, below about 5 Deg C they are interesting & take awhile to warm up. Until they do it is all a bit slippy!

douglasr

1,092 posts

234 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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bigdods said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
No such thing as 'proper' tyres. Just because they are more expensive doesnt make them better. A great many TVR owners are now using Falken FK452's , so for a light weight high power RWD car I think we can safely say they work well.

If others with the same car as you have rate them highly then you should listen to their recommendation.

IME falkens dont suit heavier cars. I have 452's on the TVR and a Golf V5 , they are excellent on both. But I tried them on my Omega 3.0 and they were very poor.
I fitted 452's to my 350Z (a heavy 1500 kg). I thought they had excellent dry grip and good wet grip (during the winter we have just gone through). A lot of 350Z owners have bought them. I believe that they are about to be discontinued though.
What I did notice though was the wear rate was higher. Since they only cost £108 each, I wasn't too bothered about that.

Fort Jefferson

8,231 posts

184 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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jon- said:
Ultrac Sessanta is the newer tyre, both get equally raved about.
I rave about these, I have them on my S4.

In the wet, they are foooooooooooooooking awesome.

tr7v8

6,518 posts

190 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
What complete pony! The Pirelli PZero Assymetricos the jag had on it before were 45% more expensive than the Falkens but no better overall & in various ways worse. The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

208 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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bigdods said:
Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling.
Don't you think the manufacturer might just cover some of this stuff when specifying tyres for the car?

But then the buyers of manufacturer recommended full price tyres might all be idiots.

Shaving a couple of hundred quid off a set of tyres on a £30,000 car makes no sense IMO.

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

139 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Shaving a couple of hundred quid off a set of tyres on a £30,000 car makes no sense IMO.
Believing price is exactly proportional to performance makes no sense IMO.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

208 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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tr7v8 said:
The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.
Usually because some bloke in the pub prefers the tread pattern...

v8will

3,222 posts

158 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Vredestein.

Falkens are good for the price but hardly premium

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

139 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
tr7v8 said:
The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.
Usually because some bloke in the pub prefers the tread pattern...
Have you tried them?

otolith

43,626 posts

166 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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The Vredesteins really started to become popular after beating lots of premium tyres in group tests.

bigdods

7,009 posts

189 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
bigdods said:
Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling.
Don't you think the manufacturer might just cover some of this stuff when specifying tyres for the car?

But then the buyers of manufacturer recommended full price tyres might all be idiots.

Shaving a couple of hundred quid off a set of tyres on a £30,000 car makes no sense IMO.
Well I believe the OP was wanting to replace runflats with normal tyres, something a lot of people do so its new territory , no help from the manufacturer.

And in my case the tyres originally specified for the TVR were dunlops which arent made any more.

Never buy tyres based on price rather than performance

HellDiver

5,708 posts

144 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
tr7v8 said:
The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.
Usually because some bloke in the pub prefers the tread pattern...
You really are an idiot, aren't you?

mercfunder

8,377 posts

135 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Ozzie Osmond said:
tr7v8 said:
The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.
Usually because some bloke in the pub prefers the tread pattern...
Muppet!!!!

The Sessantas are a cracking tyre, great in the dry and exceptional in the wet, would get my vote, particularly when you factor in their price.