RE: Jag XF Gets Facelift (And Four-Cylinder Diesel)

RE: Jag XF Gets Facelift (And Four-Cylinder Diesel)

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MrCarCoach

337 posts

165 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Better late than never, but this should serve Jaguar well. It has hopefully taken this length of time so that they can get the refinement right, I just hope for their sake it is in the same BIK tax bracket as the 520d.

As many have commented previously BMW really are leaps ahead of the competition on engine development, BUT, if Jaguar can offer an engine that is not too far away from the 4 cylinder BMW unit, wrapped up in a svelte package like the XF it will do very well.

Regards,

Mr.CarCoach.

jazzyjeff

3,652 posts

267 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Pentoman said:
I saw this car last week on the outskirts of Tripoli with a machine gun mounted on the back.
So you managed to get away then!?

Never mind... hehe

JJ

lgomgf

237 posts

196 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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VeeFour said:
Most drivers of cars in this class aren't looking at fuel consumption figures - they're looking at the BIK rate on them. Can't see too many choosing to pay extra to have an XF over a 520d, or 320d ED with options.
I don't know about that... last year we were in the market to buy a big exec for my father in law, we decided for the XJ over the new A8, reason, 25 thousand euros cheaper when compared with the same optionals...

GBB

1,737 posts

167 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Even I've seen this one (probably near Northampton) but no matter how often I see it I don't like that paint scheme. Far too Paul Smith for me and most exec car drivers I suspect. I'll go for plain black on mine.

Pablo16v

2,246 posts

205 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Coming soon to a "debadged cars" thread near you.........The Jaguar XF 2.2 diesel.

cml

721 posts

270 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Excellent news - Jaguar have stopped trying to just make executive sports salons and GTs and gone where the money is - diesel company cars. Good one. I hope Aston Martin, Ferrari and the rest are watching, can't wait for a diesel Ferrari estate, lovely.




<sigh>

I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.

BeefMaster9000

82 posts

232 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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cml said:
Excellent news - Jaguar have stopped trying to just make executive sports salons and GTs and gone where the money is - diesel company cars. Good one. I hope Aston Martin, Ferrari and the rest are watching, can't wait for a diesel Ferrari estate, lovely.

<sigh>

I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.
No. It makes sense in a 'do this or the EU will effectively close you down' way.

EU said:
A fleet-average CO2 emission target of 130 g/km must be reached by each vehicle manufacturer by 2015. Manufacturers who miss their average CO2 targets are subject to penalties
I prefer this solution to Aston Martins re-badged Toyota..

Thom987

3,185 posts

174 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.

tali1

5,276 posts

209 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Mafioso said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
confused

Several German cars spring rapidly to mind...
milesr3 said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
Apart from the BMW 520d and the Merc E200/220/250?

Not sure that the 2.2 TDi engine is in the same league as the BMW 4-pot diesel TBH, unless Jag's fettling manages to unleash a wider power band and a bit less NVH. Hope they fit an uprated oil cooler too after the one in my wife's Land Rover Freelander failed and filled the cooling system with oil. Not an isolated incident either judging by LR's own admission, but they did deal with it exceptionally well.

Would be great if Jaguar can provide a rival to the 520d and I'd certainly consider trading a little CO2 and over-complicated engineering for JaguarLandRover's customer service.
davepoth said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
I'd say it's actually the last car in its class to get a 4 cylinder engine...
Opps disguise made me think it was a XJ banghead
(Surely someone should have flagged up my XF/XJ confusion?)scratchchinsmile

VeeFour

3,339 posts

170 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Thom987 said:
Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.
Why is it wrong? - the Germans have been sticking 4-pot diesels in this class of car for years.

MrCarCoach

337 posts

165 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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VeeFour said:
Thom987 said:
Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.
Why is it wrong? - the Germans have been sticking 4-pot diesels in this class of car for years.
Long gone are the days where car makers can stick to stereo-types, they need to give the market what they want or die....

That said, the brand is still super important which is why there are some caveats i.e. the new Aston Martin Cygnet and Ferrari FF, both of which risk doing damage to the perception of the brand. A 4 cylinder diesel engine won't harm Jaguar as there is no difference to the design of the car, if Jaguar had just released a 4 cylinder diesel city car that would be different.

Thom987

3,185 posts

174 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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MrCarCoach said:
VeeFour said:
Thom987 said:
Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.
Why is it wrong? - the Germans have been sticking 4-pot diesels in this class of car for years.
Long gone are the days where car makers can stick to stereo-types, they need to give the market what they want or die....

That said, the brand is still super important which is why there are some caveats i.e. the new Aston Martin Cygnet and Ferrari FF, both of which risk doing damage to the perception of the brand. A 4 cylinder diesel engine won't harm Jaguar as there is no difference to the design of the car, if Jaguar had just released a 4 cylinder diesel city car that would be different.
Put the 4 pot diesel in a new X type, but leave the XF as is. I drive a 3.0D XF, love it, but I wouldnt consider a 4 pot XF, its just wrong imo. If anything I hoped for a bigger engined diesel, not this.
So what if the Germans are doing it to the 5 series, its wrong there too.

davepoth

29,395 posts

207 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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tali1 said:
Opps disguise made me think it was a XJ banghead
(Surely someone should have flagged up my XF/XJ confusion?)scratchchinsmile
Pistonheads - Pisstaking Matters.

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Triple7

4,015 posts

245 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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The headlights have been the only thing that has stopped me buying an XF to date. Fingers crossed it looks the biz. May well look at a 2.2 now........

bobberz

1,832 posts

207 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Hmm.. scratchchin They're revealing the new diesel in New York? Does that mean that America will finally get some diesel cars? Apart from a few BMWs and the odd Merc Bluetec (that they won't even sell to you, just lease), the only really successful passenger car diesels here have been the VW TDis.
This is a good sign.

What really makes me excited, though, is that the XF will finally get the XJ's headlights, which were actually supposed to be on the XF in the first place. That's all they have to change to make it look like this:

LewisR

678 posts

223 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Wow!! That does look good. I work for Jag and haven't seen it with its clothes off! If it looks this good, things will be looking even better for Jag.

VeeFour

3,339 posts

170 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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LewisR said:
Wow!! That does look good. I work for Jag and haven't seen it with its clothes off! If it looks this good, things will be looking even better for Jag.
That was the concept they promised us years ago - when what we actually got was a Hyundai with posh badges.

Rammy76

1,052 posts

191 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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VeeFour said:
That was the concept they promised us years ago - when what we actually got was a Hyundai with posh badges.
A Hyundai with posh badges? Yeah course it is...

VeeFour

3,339 posts

170 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Rammy76 said:
A Hyundai with posh badges? Yeah course it is...
You have seen one, haven't you?

Cover up the badges, and it could have come from any number of low-rent far Eastern manufacturers.

For all the faults of the S-Type, you could never be in any doubt that it was a Jaguar.

V8TVR1978

895 posts

198 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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On this side of the pond at our local Jag dealer, we were told to expect a diesel version shortly after TaTa took over. That is what stopped from doing a deal on an AM that are overpriced here in Calgary IMO... We are still waiting on that diesel to date.