RE: Jag XF Gets Facelift (And Four-Cylinder Diesel)
Discussion
Better late than never, but this should serve Jaguar well. It has hopefully taken this length of time so that they can get the refinement right, I just hope for their sake it is in the same BIK tax bracket as the 520d.
As many have commented previously BMW really are leaps ahead of the competition on engine development, BUT, if Jaguar can offer an engine that is not too far away from the 4 cylinder BMW unit, wrapped up in a svelte package like the XF it will do very well.
Regards,
Mr.CarCoach.
As many have commented previously BMW really are leaps ahead of the competition on engine development, BUT, if Jaguar can offer an engine that is not too far away from the 4 cylinder BMW unit, wrapped up in a svelte package like the XF it will do very well.
Regards,
Mr.CarCoach.
VeeFour said:
Most drivers of cars in this class aren't looking at fuel consumption figures - they're looking at the BIK rate on them. Can't see too many choosing to pay extra to have an XF over a 520d, or 320d ED with options.
I don't know about that... last year we were in the market to buy a big exec for my father in law, we decided for the XJ over the new A8, reason, 25 thousand euros cheaper when compared with the same optionals...Excellent news - Jaguar have stopped trying to just make executive sports salons and GTs and gone where the money is - diesel company cars. Good one. I hope Aston Martin, Ferrari and the rest are watching, can't wait for a diesel Ferrari estate, lovely.
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I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.
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I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.
cml said:
Excellent news - Jaguar have stopped trying to just make executive sports salons and GTs and gone where the money is - diesel company cars. Good one. I hope Aston Martin, Ferrari and the rest are watching, can't wait for a diesel Ferrari estate, lovely.
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I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.
No. It makes sense in a 'do this or the EU will effectively close you down' way.<sigh>
I know, I know it makes sense in a horrible accountant-grey way.
EU said:
A fleet-average CO2 emission target of 130 g/km must be reached by each vehicle manufacturer by 2015. Manufacturers who miss their average CO2 targets are subject to penalties
I prefer this solution to Aston Martins re-badged Toyota..Mafioso said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
Several German cars spring rapidly to mind...
milesr3 said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
Apart from the BMW 520d and the Merc E200/220/250?Not sure that the 2.2 TDi engine is in the same league as the BMW 4-pot diesel TBH, unless Jag's fettling manages to unleash a wider power band and a bit less NVH. Hope they fit an uprated oil cooler too after the one in my wife's Land Rover Freelander failed and filled the cooling system with oil. Not an isolated incident either judging by LR's own admission, but they did deal with it exceptionally well.
Would be great if Jaguar can provide a rival to the 520d and I'd certainly consider trading a little CO2 and over-complicated engineering for JaguarLandRover's customer service.
davepoth said:
tali1 said:
I think this is first time a car in this class has had a 4 cylinder engine?
I'd say it's actually the last car in its class to get a 4 cylinder engine...
(Surely someone should have flagged up my XF/XJ confusion?)
VeeFour said:
Thom987 said:
Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.
Why is it wrong? - the Germans have been sticking 4-pot diesels in this class of car for years.That said, the brand is still super important which is why there are some caveats i.e. the new Aston Martin Cygnet and Ferrari FF, both of which risk doing damage to the perception of the brand. A 4 cylinder diesel engine won't harm Jaguar as there is no difference to the design of the car, if Jaguar had just released a 4 cylinder diesel city car that would be different.
MrCarCoach said:
VeeFour said:
Thom987 said:
Jaguar should develop a new smaller car for this engine. The XF is great with the V6 diesel engine, this is just wrong in my opinion.
Why is it wrong? - the Germans have been sticking 4-pot diesels in this class of car for years.That said, the brand is still super important which is why there are some caveats i.e. the new Aston Martin Cygnet and Ferrari FF, both of which risk doing damage to the perception of the brand. A 4 cylinder diesel engine won't harm Jaguar as there is no difference to the design of the car, if Jaguar had just released a 4 cylinder diesel city car that would be different.
So what if the Germans are doing it to the 5 series, its wrong there too.
Hmm.. They're revealing the new diesel in New York? Does that mean that America will finally get some diesel cars? Apart from a few BMWs and the odd Merc Bluetec (that they won't even sell to you, just lease), the only really successful passenger car diesels here have been the VW TDis.
This is a good sign.
What really makes me excited, though, is that the XF will finally get the XJ's headlights, which were actually supposed to be on the XF in the first place. That's all they have to change to make it look like this:
They're revealing the new diesel in New York? Does that mean that America will finally get some diesel cars? Apart from a few BMWs and the odd Merc Bluetec (that they won't even sell to you, just lease), the only really successful passenger car diesels here have been the VW TDis. This is a good sign.
What really makes me excited, though, is that the XF will finally get the XJ's headlights, which were actually supposed to be on the XF in the first place. That's all they have to change to make it look like this:
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