991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..

[Fokker]

Taffy66 said:

Looking at the various photos of the Miami GT3s above i personally think it looks so much better with the silver wheels and standard Bi-xenom lights compared to the black Leds and in-between platinum alloys.
While in Silverstone PEC today and drove the 991.1GT3 back to back with the 991.2GTS i was astonished at how more planted and responsive/exciting the GT3 felt to the GTS...On the main track driving the GTS to within 95% of its capabilities according to my instructor i was able to pass everybody else until i came across a well driven 991.2GT3 and despite my best efforts he still managed to keep ahead of me..
I was so impressed with the GT3.1 and fully expecting the gen 2 to be even better in all aspects should make the new GT3 the best car i have ever driven and quite possibly the best car i will always drive. I thought the Guards red gen 2 looked amazing in the metal and i even loved the red wheel stripe and just maybe if possible switch from my Locked Racing yellow car but yellow still looks awesome.The one negative i found in the GT3.1 was the noticeable lack of torque in low/mid rev range which i hope will be addressed in the Gen 2.
I'm there doing another PEC tomorrow and hoping to enjoy a family day out at the Silverstone Classic as well before picking up my new Panamera 4e hybrid on Saturday to bring my new Porsches stable up to three despite very limited spare driving time..
You know what they say about a fool and his money are soon parted.......................................................................................
.....WELL ITS TRUE.

Sounds like you've been having a lot of fun John? Any comments from the instructor on your aggressive driving style?!

So are you driving the .2 tomorrow then? I'm not doing my day until mid Sept.

Edited by Fokker on Thursday 27th July 18:33

[breadvan]

Phooey said:

Porsche911R said:

Fokker said:

not nice at all imo :-(

It's a bad quality pic so doesn't help but I prefer red callipers on Miami

Yellow calipers look fantastic with the satin alu wheels, imho.


(I know, I know, it doesn't look like Miami but there you go)

[breadvan]

SIXSM said:

Thanks, would be great to see your car in the metal, great you will get the first car from the dealer, exciting stuff. I think Miami at the top of my list now as will really suit the car. The GT Silver looks fantastic but Miami winning me over! If you want any feedback on the Macan TPP drop me a line, couldn't be happier with it, soooo refined yet hugely capable, really great car...

breadvan said:

I might know something about that........

Happy to catch up before or after delivery. To be fair, I had a good look at you Macan last month, so help yourself.

Be good to catch up when it arrives.

[kev.vr6]

rosino said:

I had the same issue with a 997.2. Well too high for rev matching on the road and not braking hard.

Will it have the rev matching like on the GT4's?
It almost makes it look I can drive properly!

[terryb]

What's with all the MT bashing??

Does anyone really think that Porsche, Preuninger, et al will release a GT3 where the engine and gearbox don't work in harmony with each other?? It's not just a marketing exercise to tick a box to say that they have satisfied the 'true enthusiast', it will work properly.

Obviously it won't be as fast as the PDK, but so what!! - it will be plenty fast enough and will be massive fun - probably more so than the PDK - which is why I'm going MT.

Anyway - lots of love for MT here

[breadvan]

terryb said:

What's with all the MT bashing??

Obviously it won't be as fast as the PDK, but so what!!

D

That's your answer from most, including me tbh.

Nothing wrong with manual of course - but you're right, the consensus from those who have driven the car seems to be toward PDK when looking at the rest of the package. And it's quite a lot quicker.

A bit like the steels v pccbs debate though........

[MartinRS2K]

Austrian Guards Red GT3 taken from a Facebook page

[Taffy66]

breadvan said:

That's your answer from most, including me tbh.

Nothing wrong with manual of course - but you're right, the consensus from those who have driven the car seems to be toward PDK when looking at the rest of the package. And it's quite a lot quicker.

A bit like the steels v pccbs debate though........

I agree except about the reference about PCCB vs steels..PCCB are way better than the equivalent steels in all respects and will stop in a shorter distance in an emergency situation ime.On the PDK vs Manual debate the fact that Porsche choose to spec only PDK on their fastest 991 iterations speaks volumes although the manual GT3 ultimately will involve the driver on a level no PDK can hope to match.
The fact that that on the GT3.2 Porsche do not charge a premium over the manual considering that the PDKS on the GT3/RSs is superior not just in software but offers a stronger clutch much more durable for heavy duty track use compared to the standard PDK in other models sealed the deal for me on the GT3. The lack of a creep function on the GT3s PDKS is a side effect of having a stronger clutch..

[terryb]

Taken from Autocar review of MT GT3.2 in April 2017

Now, here's the part we've all been waiting for: the gearbox. It’s the first manual available since the second generation model ceased production back in 2011, and it's the best yet. The six-speed Getrag unit, brought over from the 911 R, weighs 17kg less than the PDK unit, reducing the new Porsche’s kerbweight to 1413kg and marginally improving its overall power-to-weight ratio in the process. The two gearboxes share the same first, second, third and fourth gear ratios, with fifth and sixth being more heavily overdriven in the manual than the automatic, owing to its lack of a seventh gear. They also have the same 3.76:1 final drive ratio.



First impressions are extremely positive: the dual plate clutch is predictably firm and has a very defined friction point indent. The gearlever, quite short and conveniently positioned just a hand’s span away from the steering wheel, has a superb action, with a heavily spring-loaded feel in both the horizontal and vertical planes. There is an engaging snappiness to each gear change, although shifting does require some heft and determination from the driver, especially on the upshifts, before delivering its best. There is a tiny bit of slack as you come out of each gear, but the inherent precision you encounter with the engagement of the following ratio means you can hurry it across the gates at high revs without any fear of it baulking.

Dial up Sport mode and the gearbox software will blip the throttle to provide perfectly rev-matched downshifts. Paradoxically, it is arguably more involving in Comfort mode, where you’re left to your own devices. The relatively wide spacing of the ratios requires you to be quite explicit on each blip, but get your heel-and-toe action right and you'll be richly rewarded. Applying this understanding to the way you drive this car is crucial to unlocking its performance potential on challenging roads, providing you with the feeling that you’re not just controlling the action but are an intricate part of it, too. One thing’s for sure: it is far more fulfilling than a simple flick of your finger on a steering wheel-mounted paddle.

[isaldiri]

Taffy66 said:

I agree except about the reference about PCCB vs steels..PCCB are way better than the equivalent steels in all respects and will stop in a shorter distance in an emergency situation ime..

Although every data driven test so far suggest not....which entirely makes sense as tyres are the limiting factor in braking distances on road cars not brakes. But people continue to believe whatever they want....

[breadvan]

That's my point.
There's a great argument for either gearbox or braking system.
Emotionally led decisions like this are far more relevant than any rational decisions when we buy our toys, just like colours.....

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

I agree except about the reference about PCCB vs steels..PCCB are way better than the equivalent steels in all respects and will stop in a shorter distance in an emergency situation

tested and not proven correct, and if you add a much better pad like a RS29 one maybe able to out brake a PCCB car, also the steel has more feel to avoid ABS cut in on the limit which is much harder on a PCCB car. Give me a race pad on proper 2 piece disk every time.

The issue is on cars like the GT3 at £120k one cannot sell the steel car now as people expect the car to have PCCB's even the top 3rd party dealers want PCCB car for stock not steel braked cars :-(

[flow99]

breadvan said:

Yellow calipers look fantastic with the satin alu wheels, imho.


(I know, I know, it doesn't look like Miami but there you go)

Perfect combination!

[APOLO1]

Porsche911R said:

tested and not proven correct, and if you add a much better pad like a RS29 one maybe able to out brake a PCCB car, also the steel has more feel to avoid ABS cut in on the limit which is much harder on a PCCB car. Give me a race pad on proper 2 piece disk every time.

The issue is on cars like the GT3 at £120k one cannot sell the steel car now as people expect the car to have PCCB's even the top 3rd party dealers want PCCB car for stock not steel braked cars :-(

I drove a steel Disc GTS this week and a GTS with CCBDs, both back to back. No comparison Imv, with regard to peddle feel, steering feel, and whist they may be very close over a single stop distance test. Give it 30 Mins on track and I know which brakes I would rather have. On track in my experience the CCBDs just get better the hotter they get,( Not on a Turbo S cooling not set up for sustained track use) Steels start to fade on track after a while.

[Phooey]

Porsche911R said:

The issue is on cars like the GT3 at £120k one cannot sell the steel car now as people expect the car to have PCCB's even the top 3rd party dealers want PCCB car for stock not steel braked cars :-(

I've dropped the PCCB's from my now-locked order. It was a hard decision but I'm not sure they are really any better than steels? I buy into the weight argument, but I think a lot of people (I used to be one of them!) believe they are a must-have option on the GT3. They are not.

[av185]

Phooey said:

Porsche911R said:

The issue is on cars like the GT3 at £120k one cannot sell the steel car now as people expect the car to have PCCB's even the top 3rd party dealers want PCCB car for stock not steel braked cars :-(

I've dropped the PCCB's from my now-locked order. It was a hard decision but I'm not sure they are really any better than steels? I buy into the weight argument, but I think a lot of people (I used to be one of them!) believe they are a must-have option on the GT3. They are not.

Whilst ceramics are clearly a must for the 991 RS, I remain unconvinced on the GT3. Despite the two cars ultimately being at a similar second hand price point.

I am also going steels on the grounds of reduced cost, similar braking performance for my needs and better feel.

And some claim turn in and front end bite is better with a smaller disc steel braked car due to increased rotational turbulence. Always love quoting that one..... :

[Fish]

I've gone steels as I just don't think they are worth £6k. I also hate yellow calipers. Steels in an emergency brake will stop in exactly the same distance as PCCB as shown in tests, yes they are lighter but there is an interesting thread on Rennlist re inertia and them not being all that...

I'll stick with nice red calipers for the moment and not panic about chipping one!

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Whilst ceramics are clearly a must for the 991 RS, I remain unconvinced on the GT3. Despite the two cars ultimately being at a similar second hand price point.

I am also going steels on the grounds of reduced cost, similar braking performance for my needs and better feel.

And some claim turn in and front end bite is better with a smaller disc steel braked car due to increased rotational turbulence. Always love quoting that one..... :

The smaller disc gives more downforce. It's very hard to get PCCB money back on a older car, on new unused cars you pay what the RRP was to fit them, on older cars the prices level out so you are down if you keep the car and paid for PCCB's.

[av185]

Fish said:

I'll stick with nice red calipers for the moment and not panic about chipping one!

As previously mentioned, don't know why but during normal road driving my cars have a nasty habit of collecting small stones between the caliper and disc resulting in a slight groove being formed in the steel disc. Potentially terminal for a ceramic disc. And cue £4k+ bill.

[Phooey]

av185 said:

Whilst ceramics are clearly a must for the 991 RS, I remain unconvinced on the GT3. Despite the two cars ultimately being at a similar second hand price point.

I am also going steels on the grounds of reduced cost, similar braking performance for my needs and better feel.

And some claim turn in and front end bite is better with a smaller disc steel braked car due to increased rotational turbulence. Always love quoting that one..... :

Personally I still don't believe they are a "must" on an RS. I suppose PCCB's are a smaller percentage of overall cost of vehicle so easier to justify on the more expensive RS models (?). I'd more likely have PCCB's on a Comfort spec car than a Clubsport. But hey, 7-8 years ago I was one of those that wanted (and bought) a Clubsport GT3 with "ceramics"... so I can understand the desire to have the best most expensive options (jewellery) on your car. They do look good though


eta - this is a post from me back in 2011 when I picked up a brand new 997 GTS. 600 miles in and got a stone stuck in my caliper. It since happened another 2 or 3 times. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=99...

Edited by Phooey on Friday 28th July 11:59