what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
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Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.
The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
I hate to say this as it's always said about the 911... I really can't tell the McLaren models apart other than the Senna as it's so ugly!
Any way back to Porsche, if my engine was to go pop at some point and I decided it was a keeper, then yes the 3.7 would be the route I'd go for sure.
Any way back to Porsche, if my engine was to go pop at some point and I decided it was a keeper, then yes the 3.7 would be the route I'd go for sure.
ferrisbueller said:
Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.
The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
25k per year. The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
Back to 996s now though...
richthebike said:
ferrisbueller said:
Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.
The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
25k per year. The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.
It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
Back to 996s now though...
k that!nunpuncher said:
Chris Stott said:
Guy on Rennlist has a 996 track car running a 997 3.8. It’s doable.
Anything is doable with enough skill and determination. It doesn't mean it's easy or cheaper than getting hartech to do a rebuild.richthebike said:
The 3.8 would most likely need a rebuild at some point too, so can't ever see myself going down that route. Unless you replace a dead 3.4 with a rebuilt 4.1 m97. I'm not sure the 996 needs much more than 300bhp to be honest, but I always understand the need to keep fettling.
Exactly this. I wouldn't put a problematic 3.8 into my reliable 996 (3.4), especially with the electronics complications of the newer engine.
Much rather get Hartech to add 300cc and fully sort the M96. Well, actually, that treatment on the M97 would be even better but $$$$
Edited by skinny on Thursday 18th July 10:36
3.8 has larger valves than the 3.4, higher lift on the intake cam due to the VarioCam+, so it'll respond well to a capacity increase.
However, it's the same engine as the 3.4 in the Cayman (apart from the bore diameter, but you're changing that), so I'd buy the smaller engine as a base.
However, it's the same engine as the 3.4 in the Cayman (apart from the bore diameter, but you're changing that), so I'd buy the smaller engine as a base.
I think physically fitting the 9A1 is the relatively easy bit.
The electronics are the difficult bit. The 9x7.2 cars got a whole new electronic system. On a one off basis, I suspect you'd find the cost of getting a 9A1 engine into a 9x7.1 or earlier would eat up the price differential and possibly then some. If an outfit invested in doing the job in signficant numbers, then it might then be the cheaper option. As it is, I think a capacity increase of existing engine is the best option.
That said, especially with the 996.2 3.6, I wouldn't feel the need for more performance. 996.1 3.4 is for me a it more marginal...but I'd probably lean towards taking some weight out over spending megabucks on a more powerful engine.
The electronics are the difficult bit. The 9x7.2 cars got a whole new electronic system. On a one off basis, I suspect you'd find the cost of getting a 9A1 engine into a 9x7.1 or earlier would eat up the price differential and possibly then some. If an outfit invested in doing the job in signficant numbers, then it might then be the cheaper option. As it is, I think a capacity increase of existing engine is the best option.
That said, especially with the 996.2 3.6, I wouldn't feel the need for more performance. 996.1 3.4 is for me a it more marginal...but I'd probably lean towards taking some weight out over spending megabucks on a more powerful engine.
ATM said:
What I would investigate is installing the dfi engine into one of our cars. They can be bought for 5 or 6 grand which sounds cheap compared to a 12k hartech build.
Really!? 
How comes so cheap? It's no more expensive than a used M96...
I'm sure a standalone motorsport ECU could run it quite easily
skinny said:
Really!?
How comes so cheap? It's no more expensive than a used M96...
I'm sure a standalone motorsport ECU could run it quite easily
Far, far more complicated than that, from what I've read. It's been done (well, I've read about a 9A1 into a 997.1 done by a motorsport specialist in the US), but it was extremely complex and expensive. I can't see it being much cheaper and easier into a 996.How comes so cheap? It's no more expensive than a used M96...
I'm sure a standalone motorsport ECU could run it quite easily
Not a goer IMO.
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