what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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ferrisbueller

23,204 posts

171 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.

The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.

It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.




Fast Bug

7,138 posts

105 months

Wednesday 17th July
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I hate to say this as it's always said about the 911... I really can't tell the McLaren models apart other than the Senna as it's so ugly!

Any way back to Porsche, if my engine was to go pop at some point and I decided it was a keeper, then yes the 3.7 would be the route I'd go for sure.

richthebike

461 posts

81 months

Wednesday 17th July
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ferrisbueller said:
Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.

The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.

It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
25k per year.

Back to 996s now though...

Chris Stott

6,455 posts

141 months

Wednesday 17th July
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3.8 out of a 997 fits in a 996 biggrin

ferrisbueller

23,204 posts

171 months

Wednesday 17th July
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richthebike said:
ferrisbueller said:
Just trying to follow the numbers there, 25k to rent a McLaren for two years? Some people will see that as value. Insurance need not be too lumpy if you go to the right places and have other cars.

The bigger issue is that I find their products as exciting as a tumble dryer but ultimately less usable than said domestic white good. Same applies to most modern stuff.

It's interesting to see what value the market places on things like CSRs and enlarged Hartech builds as they come to market and what proportion of the additional capital invested can be recovered at point of sale. Spending the extra few k on the 3.7/9 may be a shrewd investment come sale time if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in that predicament.
25k per year.

Back to 996s now though...
25k a year to rent one. fk that!

richthebike

461 posts

81 months

Wednesday 17th July
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ferrisbueller said:
25k a year to rent one. fk that!
Its and expensive new car though. My M3 over 2 years would be 14k pa and that's on a cracking deal.

On the 3.8 point, I though there were deal breakers on fitting an m97 into a 996?

nunpuncher

1,245 posts

69 months

Wednesday 17th July
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If I had £25k to throw away each year I'd employ a personal valet, a man-serve if you will.

I certainly wouldn't waste it on a McLaren.

ferrisbueller

23,204 posts

171 months

Wednesday 17th July
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richthebike said:
ferrisbueller said:
25k a year to rent one. fk that!
Its and expensive new car though. My M3 over 2 years would be 14k pa and that's on a cracking deal.
fk that, too.

Chris Stott

6,455 posts

141 months

Wednesday 17th July
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richthebike said:
On the 3.8 point, I though there were deal breakers on fitting an m97 into a 996?
Guy on Rennlist has a 996 track car running a 997 3.8. It’s doable.

nunpuncher

1,245 posts

69 months

Wednesday 17th July
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ferrisbueller said:
fk that, too.
I'd be more likely to pay £25k to rent a McLaren than £14k to rent a fast 3 series.

nunpuncher

1,245 posts

69 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Chris Stott said:
Guy on Rennlist has a 996 track car running a 997 3.8. It’s doable.
Anything is doable with enough skill and determination. It doesn't mean it's easy or cheaper than getting hartech to do a rebuild.

richthebike

461 posts

81 months

Wednesday 17th July
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nunpuncher said:
Chris Stott said:
Guy on Rennlist has a 996 track car running a 997 3.8. It’s doable.
Anything is doable with enough skill and determination. It doesn't mean it's easy or cheaper than getting hartech to do a rebuild.
The 3.8 would most likely need a rebuild at some point too, so can't ever see myself going down that route. Unless you replace a dead 3.4 with a rebuilt 4.1 m97. I'm not sure the 996 needs much more than 300bhp to be honest, but I always understand the need to keep fettling.

skinny

4,745 posts

179 months

Thursday 18th July
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richthebike said:
The 3.8 would most likely need a rebuild at some point too, so can't ever see myself going down that route. Unless you replace a dead 3.4 with a rebuilt 4.1 m97. I'm not sure the 996 needs much more than 300bhp to be honest, but I always understand the need to keep fettling.
Exactly this.
I wouldn't put a problematic 3.8 into my reliable 996 (3.4), especially with the electronics complications of the newer engine.
Much rather get Hartech to add 300cc and fully sort the M96. Well, actually, that treatment on the M97 would be even better but $$$$

Edited by skinny on Thursday 18th July 10:36

Chris Stott

6,455 posts

141 months

Thursday 18th July
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It wasn’t a serious suggestion... unless you were building a money no object project smile

richthebike

461 posts

81 months

Thursday 18th July
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Chris Stott said:
It wasn’t a serious suggestion... unless you were building a money no object project smile
Indeed. Love a project!

Dammit

3,047 posts

152 months

Thursday 18th July
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3.8 has larger valves than the 3.4, higher lift on the intake cam due to the VarioCam+, so it'll respond well to a capacity increase.

However, it's the same engine as the 3.4 in the Cayman (apart from the bore diameter, but you're changing that), so I'd buy the smaller engine as a base.

ATM

9,352 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th July
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What I would investigate is installing the dfi engine into one of our cars. They can be bought for 5 or 6 grand which sounds cheap compared to a 12k hartech build. Plus it will make 400 bhp. They went in the 997 so there can't be too many differences to navigate.

cmoose

44,799 posts

173 months

Thursday 18th July
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I think physically fitting the 9A1 is the relatively easy bit.

The electronics are the difficult bit. The 9x7.2 cars got a whole new electronic system. On a one off basis, I suspect you'd find the cost of getting a 9A1 engine into a 9x7.1 or earlier would eat up the price differential and possibly then some. If an outfit invested in doing the job in signficant numbers, then it might then be the cheaper option. As it is, I think a capacity increase of existing engine is the best option.

That said, especially with the 996.2 3.6, I wouldn't feel the need for more performance. 996.1 3.4 is for me a it more marginal...but I'd probably lean towards taking some weight out over spending megabucks on a more powerful engine.

skinny

4,745 posts

179 months

Thursday 18th July
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ATM said:
What I would investigate is installing the dfi engine into one of our cars. They can be bought for 5 or 6 grand which sounds cheap compared to a 12k hartech build.
Really!? scratchchin
How comes so cheap? It's no more expensive than a used M96...
I'm sure a standalone motorsport ECU could run it quite easily

cmoose

44,799 posts

173 months

Thursday 18th July
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skinny said:
Really!? scratchchin
How comes so cheap? It's no more expensive than a used M96...
I'm sure a standalone motorsport ECU could run it quite easily
Far, far more complicated than that, from what I've read. It's been done (well, I've read about a 9A1 into a 997.1 done by a motorsport specialist in the US), but it was extremely complex and expensive. I can't see it being much cheaper and easier into a 996.

Not a goer IMO.