what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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oddman

1,049 posts

219 months

Sunday 6th June
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Luke. said:
Sorry, £23,500? That's bonkers.
What is bonkers is that's what a sold my 993 for 15 years ago

I can't get back into a 993


pencil9

136 posts

68 months

Sunday 6th June
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I also sold my 993 manual coupe 37k miles factory techart spoilered car 15 years ago for 25 K just bought a 1 owner 996 3.4 coupe for 12k it is a tip though!

oddman

1,049 posts

219 months

Sunday 6th June
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pencil9 said:
I also sold my 993 manual coupe 37k miles factory techart spoilered car 15 years ago for 25 K just bought a 1 owner 996 3.4 coupe for 12k it is a tip though!
Another heretic rofl

Baked_bean

1,667 posts

159 months

Sunday 6th June
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Had a superb weekend in Wales in my 996, car drove beautifully! I did notice though that my exhausts are sitting wonky though and the back box is almost touching the inside of the bumper on one side, I am guessing it is engine mount time? Mine were replaced by the previous owner only 2 years and 7k ago though, is there anything else it could be?


OpulentBob

11,764 posts

147 months

Monday 7th June
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Warm/hot oil pressure - what are you guys seeing?

After a 40 mile blast in the heat yesterday, as I pulled in at home I noticed my oil pressure was showing almost zero at idle. When cold (or not red hot) the gauge waorks fine, approx 1 oil pressure per 1k revs - but the idle worries me. Could it just be very thin oil getting very warm?

Ahonen

4,777 posts

246 months

Monday 7th June
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jonny996 said:
Luke. said:
Sorry, £23,500? That's bonkers.
But £50K for a 1 year older 993 isn’t?
Yeah but, like, air cooled.

It is funny. Lighter, more powerful and faster than a 993, yet an asking price a little over half that of the cheapest 993 coupe for sale on PH is considered insanely high.

nunpuncher

2,271 posts

92 months

Monday 7th June
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OpulentBob said:
Warm/hot oil pressure - what are you guys seeing?

After a 40 mile blast in the heat yesterday, as I pulled in at home I noticed my oil pressure was showing almost zero at idle. When cold (or not red hot) the gauge waorks fine, approx 1 oil pressure per 1k revs - but the idle worries me. Could it just be very thin oil getting very warm?
When fully warmed up mine sits just between 1 and 2 at idle. Driving along it's right up around 5. I had an oil service done last week but it was exactly the same before.

I read that the oil pressure senders can be a bit iffy so it might just be that's going rather than anything more serious.

nunpuncher

2,271 posts

92 months

Monday 7th June
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jonny996 said:
But £50K for a 1 year older 993 isn’t?
It sounds like a sorted example & 2 years ago £20k was always the price point to get you into a decent 996.
These are coming of age & all sports cars are comanding premium so I think it’s on the money
That's a good point actually. I've been wanting a 964 or earlier as I'm the only man on earth that thinks the 993 is a pig. Had a bit of a wobble last week and went to look at a 1978 3.0 targa with 140k miles on it for £40k. What I was getting for the money just made no sense when I compared it to my 996.

ATM

13,058 posts

186 months

Monday 7th June
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nunpuncher said:
jonny996 said:
But £50K for a 1 year older 993 isn’t?
It sounds like a sorted example & 2 years ago £20k was always the price point to get you into a decent 996.
These are coming of age & all sports cars are comanding premium so I think it’s on the money
That's a good point actually. I've been wanting a 964 or earlier as I'm the only man on earth that thinks the 993 is a pig. Had a bit of a wobble last week and went to look at a 1978 3.0 targa with 140k miles on it for £40k. What I was getting for the money just made no sense when I compared it to my 996.
I guy down the road has a 964. I occasionally see it when his garage door is open. Seen it out and driving on the road once. Simple looking grey coupe with d90 wheels. Looks tiny - like a toy car.

OpulentBob

11,764 posts

147 months

Monday 7th June
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nunpuncher said:
OpulentBob said:
Warm/hot oil pressure - what are you guys seeing?

After a 40 mile blast in the heat yesterday, as I pulled in at home I noticed my oil pressure was showing almost zero at idle. When cold (or not red hot) the gauge waorks fine, approx 1 oil pressure per 1k revs - but the idle worries me. Could it just be very thin oil getting very warm?
When fully warmed up mine sits just between 1 and 2 at idle. Driving along it's right up around 5. I had an oil service done last week but it was exactly the same before.

I read that the oil pressure senders can be a bit iffy so it might just be that's going rather than anything more serious.
Thanks. smile

Fast Bug

9,485 posts

128 months

Monday 7th June
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I'm still annoyed that I missed the 964 boat whilst chucking money at my old Beetle. I'd love a 964 or a 993, I'm not sure I'll be in a position to jump on one any time soon sadly

jonny996

2,332 posts

184 months

Monday 7th June
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I have to say 993/964 values mean nothing to me. Back in 2006 when I got my first 911 I had choice of 996 & 993, I chose 996 but I only kept it for 2 years as family stuff took over & I got a cayenne. I don't think in 2009 the 993 values where any higher than the 996.
The 996 not being the love child has helped me as mine doubles up as second car & I got it for £13K, if the 996 values had been at 993 levels I would not have a Porsche at all, Boxster no good as I need 3 seats sometimes.
by the time I retire (i plan on keeping 996) it will be 30 years old. Are people saying it is different from anyone driving a 1990 Porsche now?
Does the average joe, know it changed from air to water?

Dont diss the 996, it is a great car, i cant think of anything else for the money that adds joy & reliability.

james.a.c.911

145 posts

35 months

Monday 7th June
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nunpuncher said:
I'm the only man on earth that thinks the 993 is a pig.
You are not alone. Ugliest 911 by far in my eyes! (in fact the only 911 i don't like esthetically)
I just don't get it - but then I've never driven one.

Smollet

6,550 posts

157 months

Monday 7th June
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james.a.c.911 said:
You are not alone. Ugliest 911 by far in my eyes! (in fact the only 911 i don't like esthetically)
I just don't get it - but then I've never driven one.
It’s an enigma. From some angles the 993 looks right but from others it’s decidedly meh.

Fast Bug

9,485 posts

128 months

Monday 7th June
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A 993 needs some subtle mods, stock narrow body cars aren’t the best looking.

Scho

2,422 posts

170 months

Monday 7th June
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Lads, with all due respect you are tripping if you think a 996 c2 is better looking and a 993 c2.

That’s coming from a 996 fan!

Edited by Scho on Tuesday 8th June 06:59

jonny996

2,332 posts

184 months

Tuesday 8th June
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https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&a...
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&a...
Those are 2 similar run of the mill models, take away the underlaying persona of I have money as I have a air cooled car & I think the 993 looks very old compared to the 996.
if I was ever to go air cooled it would have to be a 964, https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&a...

antong

2 posts

123 months

Tuesday 8th June
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I'm lucky to own both a 993 c4s and a 996 c4, the 993 lookes better hands down, the 996 engine is a peach but I prefer the flow of the 993 chassis. Just my 2 penneth!

shalmaneser

4,833 posts

162 months

Tuesday 8th June
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Took my old girl to Bedford Autodrome yesterday.

Had a great time, and not a thing went wrong (touch wood) other than a squeaky front ARB bush. Setup was (new) M030 springs and dampers, M030 front ARB and H&R rear ARB set to full soft, car felt great and the turn in was incredible. Brake pads were Yellowstuff front and rear which deserve a mention as they were great all day, not a sign of fading on what were fairly knackered standard discs.

I was super impressed with the Goodyear Eagle F1 Assy 5 tyres, geometry was standard so zero front camber so I thought the front tyres would get shredded but they took the abuse like champs all day long with good even wear across the front and rear. Re-checked the tyre pressures when hot and dropped them to 34/38 which felt good to me.

Car could have lapped and lapped but after 30mins or so the water temps were getting high and hot oil pressure was dropping so would pull in to let the motor (and driver!) cool down. Will fit an extended baffled sump this year some time when I change the variocam sliders. Given I'll need to drop the oil anyway soon it seems to be a worthwhile thing to do. Any tips on keeping the motor cool? 3rd rad I guess? I'm not sure my engine compartment fan is working so need to test that. Pleased I fitted my new coolant header tank.

Some pretty serious metal there, two radicals which were borderline dangerous they were so small and fast compared to everyone else! Another 996 3.4 owner was there but seemed to be having some mechanical issues so no opportunity to say hello, very friendly pit lane as per other Javelin events I've been to.

Coolest car there by some distance was an old Alfa Romeo Berlina 1750 race car!


james.a.c.911

145 posts

35 months

Tuesday 8th June
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Scho said:
Lads, with all due respect you are tripping if you think a 996 c2 is better looking and a 993 c2.

That’s coming from a 996 fan!

Edited by Scho on Tuesday 8th June 06:59
I literally think any other 911 is better looking than a 993 Carrera (the RS one looks nice though) - so maybe you are tripping, maybe it's just subjective.
People used to think the 964 was ugly...