what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

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ooid

2,587 posts

67 months

Tuesday 8th June
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nunpuncher said:
You've completely misunderstood that statement and read your own justification in to it.

Speaking as someone who has worked as a professional product designer for more than 25 years I can confidently say that ALL designs are a compromise between form, function and cost as Pinky Lai says. It is unheard of in the industry for a designer to be told "there is no budget".
I did not really. I've worked as a professional designer too and worked in many vehicle/boat designs previously. All you say about 996 lights (practicality for servicing and etc..) are totally correct. I used to have a 986 so enjoyed changing its cheap bulbs easily on my spare-time, trust me! hehe

I'm simply responding to 993 vs 996 comparison. The budget is also quite important for a brand, especially for 911, and lack of it is very clear on 996 styling and overall development.

nunpuncher

2,270 posts

92 months

Tuesday 8th June
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ooid said:
I'm simply responding to 993 vs 996 comparison. The budget is also quite important for a brand, especially for 911, and lack of it is very clear on 996 styling and overall development.
I disagree that the lack of budget is reflected in the styling. I'd be interested in knowing what you believe to stylistically look cheap in the context of the era in which it was released.

The reduced budget is reflected in the components quality and mechanical engineering. Which is inarguably lower quality than it's predecessors. When it comes to the styling I would actually say the opposite is true. It would appear to me that more investment was made in the styling making the leap from 993 to 996 than from 964 to 993. It was the first time they completely redesigned the car.

If anything, if only they'd spent less on the styling then maybe we'd have had a more mechanically sound product.

Chris Stott

8,559 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th June
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Aesthetics are just a personal thing. For me...

Impact bumper cars are the worst looking of all the 911's to my eyes... I can't get past the bumpers... just an abomination after the sublime purity of the long nose cars... mostly fixed with the 964, which looks really good.

993's are model dependent - a 2S or 4S, lowered, on 18" wheels is lovely, as is the RS. But I prefer a 996.1 to a narrow bodied 993 on small wheels.




brake fader

90 posts

2 months

Tuesday 8th June
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The 996.1 is a fantastic car all round and now that we are 20 yrs down the line we know the weak spots and solutions have been found for them, a 996 is a totally addictive car to drive and for value compared to the 993 i would take the 996 every time, i dont think i'll ever sell mine its the best 911 i've ever owned.

ATM

13,054 posts

186 months

Wednesday 9th June
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brake fader said:
The 996.1 is a fantastic car all round and now that we are 20 yrs down the line we know the weak spots and solutions have been found for them, a 996 is a totally addictive car to drive and for value compared to the 993 i would take the 996 every time, i dont think i'll ever sell mine its the best 911 i've ever owned.
We need more newbies like you in here.

Baked_bean

1,667 posts

159 months

Wednesday 9th June
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I can't give too much design insight but I really like the clean and simple design of the 996 now. When i was growing up (under 10) the 993 and 996 where the current models and I had toy's of both, which gives me a fondness for their design.

Despite this, I love the 80's/90's hybrid of the 964 currently and it would be the model I would go for if i had the money.

jonny996

2,332 posts

184 months

Friday 11th June
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I see the yellow car at friends green that many were saying was far to expensive has been reserved

mr pg

1,754 posts

172 months

Saturday 12th June
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Yes I was there earlier this week looking at the seal grey C2. Stunning, as new example, but couldn't spend that much on a C2.
Buying a lapis blue that appeared on Wed elsewhere instead.
FGP also sold another C4S that went on line only this week. 996's aren't hanging about.

Twentyfourcylinders

215 posts

147 months

Sunday 13th June
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I'm just about to tick over 158k miles in my '98 3.4.





It has taken some time and fettling to really gel with it but when you get yourself out of traffic and on to a flowing A-road on a nice summer evening and it all starts to make sense.

Chris Stott

8,559 posts

164 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Yep, that looks a really good buy, and much better value than some of the stuff we've seen recently.

Andyoz

1,966 posts

21 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Chris Stott said:
Yep, that looks a really good buy, and much better value than some of the stuff we've seen recently.
Such a good buy that the seller put the price up by £2k a few hours after listing...(now £18,999)

CocoUK

808 posts

149 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Is that a GT3?...

Fair play to the seller - phone rings off the hook, deposits/full payment offered unseen - whack that price up, son!

nunpuncher

2,270 posts

92 months

Wednesday 16th June
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CocoUK said:
Is that a GT3?...
No.

James76G

299 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th June
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Looks a nice example and good to see the seller is including a set of Classic 2s as the current wheels do it no favours. Do 4 wheels (with tyres presumably) even fit in a 996?

Also, according to the advert the car is in Devon but the seller is in Halesowen. That's going to confuse a few people given my own experience of selling on FB where approx 50% of people don't actually read the advert text.


Filibuster

1,846 posts

182 months

Wednesday 16th June
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roca1976 said:
The bodykit and wheels are a big no from me. Also the colour combination... vomit
Guards red looks good against black, and tan can look ok with a dark blue. But not together.

Mechanically all sounds good, but now @ £19k privately it is not a bargain, imho.

ferrisbueller

26,676 posts

194 months

Wednesday 16th June
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I think there was a very similar, if not the same, car discussed here a couple of years ago. Would be a good reference for any shift in prices.

Fast Bug

9,483 posts

128 months

Wednesday 16th June
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I quite like the wheels...

nunpuncher

2,270 posts

92 months

Wednesday 16th June
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I'm sure the owner is on the 996 carrera owners group as I remember seeing the wheels. I'm sure they were previously on a blue car in Aberdeen before.

Our friends at FGP sold a GR/savannah aero 996 not too long ago for about £26k so at 18-19 this could be a very easy profit for them as they'd probably only have to wipe a damp cloth over it, stick the SC2 wheels on and turn it over for £24k
https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

Maybe even more as that one sold a whole back. I noticed they've managed to sell the 2 yellow ones for 42k and 30k

jonny996

2,332 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th June
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I see FGP only have 1 car in stock, wonder if they are having difficulty finding stock