The 997 Appreciation Thread

[S600BSB]

Reasonable weather and the salt has been washed away from the roads. Time to get the 997 out of hibernation for a little spin?

[Filibuster]

S600BSB said:

Reasonable weather and the salt has been washed away from the roads. Time to get the 997 out of hibernation for a little spin?

[Terry Winks]

I have literally had one of those DesignTek short shift kits fitted, for the money, its a superb mod has made the gear shift feel more solid and precise without making the throw stupidly short. I am really impressed.

I have just had a Top Gear Mufflers and 200 Cel Cats fitted, valves open, its errrrm Fruity!

[Superdavros]

Joscal said:

Still love the 997 but wouldn’t buy one that hasn’t been to Hartech nowadays.

Whilst I would love to have a Hartech engine in mine and I understand reservations about old second hand cars, mine's a 3.8S manual, 2WD, coupe - bought at 50,000 miles in 2016 ticked onto 177,000 miles today, between meetings in Milton Keynes and the top end of County Durham.

Original engine - only had routine servicing and what it needed, based on 20,000 miles per year, over the past 7 years.
My Indy (Porsche Tech in Coventry) had a look at the bores, during the last service and declared them healthy...

Warm it up properly, drive it hard and look after it with nice oil.

If it craps itself, I'll ring Baz and get a 3.9, refresh the gearbox, suspension etc and start again .... Trigger's 997 and aim for 300,000 miles, like PPBB..

Was thinking of changing it for something sensible, but can't bring myself to do it.....
WBAC say £12k, dealer trade-in similar - i'll keep it thanks.

I used to have an E30 M3 and, according to the internet, the S14 engine in those would snap the chain tensioner at 100,000 miles.. if you didn't spend a chunk to replace it.

Not saying a BMW S14 engine has never, ever snapped a timing chain, but 997 bore-scoring wasn't a standard part of every single 997 engine build at the factory.

Use a bit of sense and get it all checked out, then just buy one..

[Slippydiff]

Superdavros said:

Whilst I would love to have a Hartech engine in mine and I understand reservations about old second hand cars, mine's a 3.8S manual, 2WD, coupe - bought at 50,000 miles in 2016 ticked onto 177,000 miles today, between meetings in Milton Keynes and the top end of County Durham.

Original engine - only had routine servicing and what it needed, based on 20,000 miles per year, over the past 7 years.
My Indy (Porsche Tech in Coventry) had a look at the bores, during the last service and declared them healthy...

Warm it up properly, drive it hard and look after it with nice oil.

If it craps itself, I'll ring Baz and get a 3.9, refresh the gearbox, suspension etc and start again .... Trigger's 997 and aim for 300,000 miles, like PPBB..

Was thinking of changing it for something sensible, but can't bring myself to do it.....
WBAC say £12k, dealer trade-in similar - i'll keep it thanks.

I used to have an E30 M3 and, according to the internet, the S14 engine in those would snap the chain tensioner at 100,000 miles.. if you didn't spend a chunk to replace it.

Not saying a BMW S14 engine has never, ever snapped a timing chain, but 997 bore-scoring wasn't a standard part of every single 997 engine build at the factory.

Use a bit of sense and get it all checked out, then just buy one..

Ah yes, the gospel according to Munich Legends ...

[Superdavros]

Slippydiff said:

Ah yes, the gospel according to Munich Legends ...

Don’t get me wrong and to clarify, i am in no way suggesting the same scenario…. Baz and his team have done a great job to fix what is potentially a clear problem with some of these mass produced engines, as opposed the the “Gospel” approach, which was blatant bks, swallowed and perpetuated by the classic car media, who couldn’t be arsed to check if there were any basis to the claim.

As above, were anything to happen to my 997 engine, I’d get them to replace it, I just don’t think people should be automatically terrified.

You watch, mine will implode on the A34 on Monday morning…..

[Joscal]

Octoposse said:

My 2007 3.6, pushing 80k on the clock, uses absolutely no oil between annual services and shows no sign of any other problems.

First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).

And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?

Probably true but I’ve had quite a few 911 and the 997 is the only one to lunch the engine!

Poor form from Porsche and quite how they got away with it in the UK is beyond me. They didn’t in America..

[Discombobulate]

Joscal said:

Probably true but I’ve had quite a few 911 and the 997 is the only one to lunch the engine!

Poor form from Porsche and quite how they got away with it in the UK is beyond me. They didn’t in America..

They got hit for IMS bearing failure in America. Did they get hit for bore scoring too? I don't think they did.

[ooid]

Discombobulate said:

They got hit for IMS bearing failure in America. Did they get hit for bore scoring too? I don't think they did.

They surely got another hit by GT3 991.1 Owners though

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-gt2rs-an...

[Joscal]

Discombobulate said:

They got hit for IMS bearing failure in America. Did they get hit for bore scoring too? I don't think they did.

I may be wrong but I can remember at the time reading that Porsche would honour a new engine if it failed outside warranty in the US only.

It was years ago admittedly. I still think Porsche washed their hands of the issue though!

I’m in heavy plant and represent a few manufacturers and luckily they have stood over their equipment in similar circumstances. It happens, we had a bad batch of VW engines and we got brand new ones without quibble. Our customers would have been livid as would we if they expected us to pay. An engine should not implode at 20,000 miles imho.

[Midasman17]

anonymous said:

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It was mine, yes a 17stone ex rugby player can do that to the seat! It went in when my GT3 arrived, very sorry to see it go. All original kit was with it. Used it pretty much every day for the last 2 years, didn't miss a beat, would have kept it if I had the room. Gone to sunny Scotland I think.

[Louis Balfour]

anonymous said:

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Porsche bolsters are prone to doing that. In equal parts its poor ingress / egress technique, design and leather quality. Some cars are worse than others.

Also don't take passengers with short legs and fat thighs.

[KIPSTER]

Hello all,

I am ready to make another 911 purchase and have set my mind on a 997.2 C4S (I think).
Having gone through the whole of the range (911 Carrera, 964, 993, 996, 997) since 2000 and am retiring very soon, I have a budget of £48K for the purchase and yes, I do know the budgetary requirements for maintenance.

Option list must be high spec and to include PSE, low number of owners, mileage so nothing new.
I have scanned the market for god knows how long now but nothing seems to tick all my boxes so I am reaching out to you lot for pointers, indies and so on.

I have considered 991.1 models but they just look too much like a Euro box? So 997 it is.
Looking forward to your replies!

Thanks,

Kips

[S600BSB]

Finally got my 997 C4S put of winter hibernation as the sun is out. Huge grin as every spring! They really are the perfect 911.

[VerySideways]

KIPSTER said:

Hello all,

I am ready to make another 911 purchase and have set my mind on a 997.2 C4S (I think).
Having gone through the whole of the range (911 Carrera, 964, 993, 996, 997) since 2000 and am retiring very soon, I have a budget of £48K for the purchase and yes, I do know the budgetary requirements for maintenance.

Option list must be high spec and to include PSE, low number of owners, mileage so nothing new.
I have scanned the market for god knows how long now but nothing seems to tick all my boxes so I am reaching out to you lot for pointers, indies and so on.

I have considered 991.1 models but they just look too much like a Euro box? So 997 it is.
Looking forward to your replies!

Thanks,

Kips

PDK or manual?
I think you're going to struggle with that budget to tick all your boxes, so might be worth considering what you'd compromise on.

[SL550M]

Yes I'd agree with VerySideways. I don't think you're going to find a high-spec, low mileage, 997.2 C4S for less than £50k. More's the pity! And I say that as someone who is constantly on the lookout. I wish I'd upped my budget and got one five years ago when I bought my 997.2 C2S. I did enjoy that car, but there's something about the 4S that is just so right.

[Terry Winks]

There is a blue one on the trader at £36k that had a new engine from Porsche 20,000 miles ago. Ok its had 7 owners, but I’d buy on condition rather than numbers, its probably the one I’d go for, has PSE etc. Plus at £12k under budget, that’s a pretty healthy fund to carry out any remediation works or upgrades you might need or fancy. Plus you know it’s right then.

Would be my choice. Doesn’t seem to be a shortage of them though within budget

[ATM]

Terry Winks said:

There is a blue one on the trader at £36k that had a new engine from Porsche 20,000 miles ago. Ok its had 7 owners, but I’d buy on condition rather than numbers, its probably the one I’d go for, has PSE etc. Plus at £12k under budget, that’s a pretty healthy fund to carry out any remediation works or upgrades you might need or fancy. Plus you know it’s right then.

Would be my choice. Doesn’t seem to be a shortage of them though within budget

Yes its been for sale for about 6 months. I posted this in another thread but cant find it now. Will keep looking...

[Terry Winks]

ATM said:

Terry Winks said:

There is a blue one on the trader at £36k that had a new engine from Porsche 20,000 miles ago. Ok its had 7 owners, but I’d buy on condition rather than numbers, its probably the one I’d go for, has PSE etc. Plus at £12k under budget, that’s a pretty healthy fund to carry out any remediation works or upgrades you might need or fancy. Plus you know it’s right then.

Would be my choice. Doesn’t seem to be a shortage of them though within budget

Yes its been for sale for about 6 months. I posted this in another thread but cant find it now. Will keep looking...

Has it really? I wasn’t looking 997.2’s that much when looking for mine, but I don’t remember seeing it before.

[ATM]

ATM said:

Terry Winks said:

There is a blue one on the trader at £36k that had a new engine from Porsche 20,000 miles ago. Ok its had 7 owners, but I’d buy on condition rather than numbers, its probably the one I’d go for, has PSE etc. Plus at £12k under budget, that’s a pretty healthy fund to carry out any remediation works or upgrades you might need or fancy. Plus you know it’s right then.

Would be my choice. Doesn’t seem to be a shortage of them though within budget

Yes its been for sale for about 6 months. I posted this in another thread but cant find it now. Will keep looking...

I found it....

Original Pics from Original ad with different wheels on the car

Current Turbo wheels look a bit rubbish if you ask Me

Good Colour
Good looking red strip - the only reason I would have a 4S is for that red strip

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210140...