997.1 GT3 - 911 Virgin

997.1 GT3 - 911 Virgin

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Cheib

15,635 posts

113 months

Thursday 17th January
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Desert Dragon said:
JZM are okay but I'm not convinced by whoever paints/repairs their cars when it comes to older Porsches. Some decidedly average paintwork on some cars I've personally viewed even one they recently sold but won't mention which car as some poor enthusiast has just bought it.
A lot of JZM’s cars are SoR (anything that has appeared on their website over winter is almost definitely SoR)

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Thursday 17th January
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Kettmark said:
If a tidy, good historied and well specced car like that isn't selling it must be a sign the gt3 market has ground to a complete halt.
It’s mid January, give it 2-3 months and GT buyers will be coming out of hibernation.

c4sman

535 posts

92 months

Thursday 17th January
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Digga said:
Amended/extended shortlist of 'good guys' I'd not hesitate to looking at or buying cars from:
  • 911v
  • JZM
  • RPM
  • RSJ
  • 9e
I heard good things about Ashgood but have never bought or sold a car with them. Anyone confirm this? Would be good to build a nice list of definite, trusteds.

Edited by Digga on Thursday 17th January 16:06
Bought my first 997C2S from 911v in 2007 after owning a brand new 987S for 2 years. Great guys, great car. The test came when the battery failed a couple weeks after I took delivery. They didn’t blink and invited me to bring it in and sorted it out immediately. You build confidence in a dealer when something goes wrong and they sort it trouble free.

Mate sold his super clean, one owner 987 to them for a fair price also (they did alright as they had a buyer lined up already).

I also now know that all OEM Porsche batteries of that era only last 2 weeks anyway!


RC1

3,547 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th January
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Porsche911R said:
As always it’s a sign 2nd hand GT3 sales demand buckets.
putting some recent completed sales to this - all .1

- white comfort, private 68 (30k)
- grey comfort, private 63 (60k)
- grey comfort, private 68 (40k)
- green cs, trade 91 (20k)
- red cs, trade c.85 (30k)
- black cs, private 58 (150k)

All numbers are approx of course

RC1

3,547 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th January
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Slippydiff said:
It’s mid January, give it 2-3 months and GT buyers will be coming out of hibernation.
yep and i know that many potential sellers are not even placing theirs on the market until the spring for that same reason.

for those interested, there is a white CS about to hit PH privately for about 85
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Digga

26,071 posts

221 months

Friday 18th January
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RC1 said:
Porsche911R said:
As always it’s a sign 2nd hand GT3 sales demand buckets.
putting some recent completed sales to this - all .1

- white comfort, private 68 (30k)
- grey comfort, private 63 (60k)
- grey comfort, private 68 (40k)
- green cs, trade 91 (20k)
- red cs, trade c.85 (30k)
- black cs, private 58 (150k)

All numbers are approx of course
JZM have two white 997.2 comfort spec cars. Unless I am very much mistaken, they've been there over a year. I'd tend to agree with Porsche911R.

Equally, I'd agree with Slippydiff; this is not peak sports car buying season. Wait for the spring and the first track days and F1 races etc. etc. to see where it's at for 2019.

IMI A

6,417 posts

139 months

Friday 18th January
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Digga said:
Amended/extended shortlist of 'good guys' I'd not hesitate to looking at or buying cars from:
  • 911v
  • JZM
  • RPM
  • RSJ
  • 9e
  • Williams Crawford
  • Maxted Page
  • GT Classics
  • Hairpin Co
  • Autofarm
I've added a few more decent firms to deal with for future reference in no particular pecking order.

If Carlsberg did an independent Porsche indy, 911v is it in my experience.... smile


Digga

26,071 posts

221 months

Friday 18th January
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IMI A said:
Digga said:
Amended/extended shortlist of 'good guys' I'd not hesitate to looking at or buying cars from:
  • 911v
  • JZM
  • RPM
  • RSJ
  • 9e
  • Williams Crawford
  • Maxted Page
  • GT Classics
  • Hairpin Co
  • Autofarm
I've added a few more decent firms to deal with for future reference in no particular pecking order.

If Carlsberg did an independent Porsche indy, 911v is it in my experience.... smile

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Thanks. Keep 'em coming.

kevs 172

189 posts

127 months

Friday 18th January
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I’ve bought and sold several cars with 911 Virgin and they have always been excellent.
Cheers
Kevin

Steve Rance

4,834 posts

169 months

Friday 18th January
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Ive known Henry a long time now. he's a good old boy. As well as being friends with Henry I have bought cars from 911V. Couldnt reccomend them enough. I'd be happy to buy from them pretty much on a telephone description

NIgt3

372 posts

112 months

Saturday 19th January
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Sold a gt3 to them a few years ago and really easy to deal with, good guys!

g7jhp

5,884 posts

176 months

Sunday 20th January
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Digga said:
ZM have two white 997.2 comfort spec cars. Unless I am very much mistaken, they've been there over a year. I'd tend to agree with Porsche911R.

Equally, I'd agree with Slippydiff; this is not peak sports car buying season. Wait for the spring and the first track days and F1 races etc. etc. to see where it's at for 2019.
Springs going to be interesting with all the political/ economic uncertainty.

Yes, more GT3's may hit the market, I'm sure it won't be a good time to sell.

If I was selling I'd be trying too offload now or waiting until we know where we stand.

I'd imagine most buyers will be holding off until April, unless a bargain comes along.

On the list of garages I'd back:

- 911V
- RSJ
- JZM
- RPM
- Portiacraft (no frills, entry Porsche)

Edited by g7jhp on Sunday 20th January 08:14

Porkerjag

103 posts

73 months

Sunday 20th January
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"I'd imagine most buyers will be holding off until April, unless a bargain comes along."

I have never seen a bargain......i've seen plenty of market corrections

gtsralph

730 posts

82 months

Sunday 20th January
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g7jhp said:
...If I was selling I'd be trying too offload now or waiting until we know where we stand...
That's covered most of the choices wink

GT4RS

1,411 posts

135 months

Sunday 20th January
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Porsche911R said:
Kettmark said:
If a tidy, good historied and well specced car like that isn't selling it must be a sign the gt3 market has ground to a complete halt.
As always it’s a sign 2nd hand GT3 sales demand buckets.
I would have to agree, plenty of none bucket cars have been available at there current advertised price for more than a year in some cases.


RC1

3,547 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th January
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That's because they are not worth the 70 plus that vendors think they are...

the only completed sales for comfort spec cars are between 63-68 privately

Desert Dragon

383 posts

22 months

Sunday 20th January
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RC1 said:
That's because they are not worth the 70 plus that vendors think they are...

the only completed sales for comfort spec cars are between 63-68 privately
You may well be able to pick up a good one privately in the 60s but all you need is one thing to go wrong. Lets say a gearbox and you're into a £10k spend and these things can easily slip through an inspection or occur a few thousand miles later.

That "bargain " £63k car has suddenly cost you £73k ie more than the dealers car mint original panel no accident full history no stories car with a 12 month warranty bumper to bumper warranty. GT3 better to buy from reputable Indy or OPC if you want the best examples and even then I'd still get an independent inspection done as I've even seen OPCs sell heavily crash repaired GT3s with my own eyes where the repair was carried out to a very poor standard.

You're not comparing apples to apples as a private purchase is a minefield on a GT3 with the nature of the car being to use on track.

Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Sunday 20th January
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Desert Dragon said:
You may well be able to pick up a good one privately in the 60s but all you need is one thing to go wrong. Lets say a gearbox and you're into a £10k spend and these things can easily slip through an inspection or occur a few thousand miles later.

That "bargain " £63k car has suddenly cost you £73k ie more than the dealers car mint original panel no accident full history no stories car with a 12 month warranty bumper to bumper warranty. GT3 better to buy from reputable Indy or OPC if you want the best examples and even then I'd still get an independent inspection done as I've even seen OPCs sell heavily crash repaired GT3s with my own eyes where the repair was carried out to a very poor standard.

You're not comparing apples to apples as a private purchase is a minefield on a GT3 with the nature of the car being to use on track.
Dealers do end up with a lot of lemons as punters don’t like selling a car with history private, so you do see track hacks and cars with issues end up at dealers.

The advantage of buying private is you can talk to the owner, over buying a OPC track hack with a front nose paint blow over !

Imo the best example sell private, and I always try and buy and sell private. You have no idea what you are buying at an OPC ! Or 3D party dealer and I am anti SOR cars.

You cannot tell if a cars had paint either these days if done well, the amount of cars which go though chartwells is in the 1000's and their biggest clients are OPC lol

So sadly I disagree I would choose private every time and think the best cars are in the private sector.

GT4RS

1,411 posts

135 months

Sunday 20th January
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RC1 said:
That's because they are not worth the 70 plus that vendors think they are...

the only completed sales for comfort spec cars are between 63-68 privately
Prices seem to be all over the place, you only have to look at the length of time some cars 997 gt3 cars have been advertised for sale.

I notice the white gen 1 997 CS is back up again after it suddenly jumped up in price to 102K for it to be marked sold a day or two later then to come back on the market at a price lower than originally advertised, think now up for 96k which crazy.

Markets gone mad, 997 prices are going to get hit hard IMO as they seemed to be the last to climb in price out of the Porsche GT3 cars.IMO a nice gen 2 997 gt3 with sub 20k on the clock low owner full history is a 80K car tops, asking prices of 109k is just crazy. If you bought now and tried to sell in a year it wouldn't shock me if you get offered 70k trade to buy it.

I think we are now starting to see the owner / investors trying to get out and these owners are trying to sell cars on SOR with unrealistic asking prices are causing this crazy pricing ATM.

I notice the nice low miles 991.1 GT3 CS is now in JZM for 109k after the owner tried to sell it privately for months on here at 112k. So this owner either sold it for around 90k to JZM or its on SOR with the hope he's going to get a fraction more for this car. I contacted him to express my interest when it first went up for sale privately and made an indication of what I felt it was worth based on a private sale which he turned down. Looking at now, if he sold it to JZM at a trade bid my private offer wasn't a mile away from its private value.







Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Sunday 20th January
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GT4RS said:
Prices seem to be all over the place, you only have to look at the length of time some cars 997 gt3 cars have been advertised for sale.

I notice the white gen 1 997 CS is back up again after it suddenly jumped up in price to 102K for it to be marked sold a day or two later then to come back on the market at a price lower than originally advertised, think now up for 96k which crazy.

Markets gone mad, 997 prices are going to get hit hard IMO as they seemed to be the last to climb in price out of the Porsche GT3 cars.IMO a nice gen 2 997 gt3 with sub 20k on the clock low owner full history is a 80K car tops, asking prices of 109k is just crazy. If you bought now and tried to sell in a year it wouldn't shock me if you get offered 70k trade to buy it.

I think we are now starting to see the owner / investors trying to get out and these owners are trying to sell cars on SOR with unrealistic asking prices are causing this crazy pricing ATM.

I notice the nice low miles 991.1 GT3 CS is now in JZM for 109k after the owner tried to sell it privately for months on here at 112k. So this owner either sold it for around 90k to JZM or its on SOR with the hope he's going to get a fraction more for this car. I contacted him to express my interest when it first went up for sale privately and made an indication of what I felt it was worth based on a private sale which he turned down. Looking at now, if he sold it to JZM at a trade bid my private offer wasn't a mile away from its private value.

I think older stock will dry up myself keeping prices up.
No way you ever going to see 997.2 GT3 at £80k

We are at the peak of petrol NA cars, it’s down hill from here imo.

New cars are pretty dull, you cannot buy a 997.2 GTS or even a 997.2 S now in a nice spec with sub 30k miles, none for sale and you have to be quick when they do come up.

The issue is now for a fun car, the air cooled has priced a lot of people out the market with prices where they are, so the next best thing after that is early gt stuff , hence we are seeing 1999 GT3 cs at £80k now

I took a bet my 987.2 Spyder would go up from people here and it did, I would bet again it will go up another £20k in 5 years, it’s under valued for what it is with the numbers built vs other cars at £100k

One could say why is a 997.2 GT3 so cheap when a 964 RS is £220k plus rhd.
So if you don’t have £200k you buy the next in line

A 1999 GT3 cs at £80k then looks very cheap and could be the next £250k car.

E30 m3 evo have doubled in 12 months !