997/996 GT3 dynamics

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Digga

26,077 posts

221 months

Friday 1st February
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Awesome. What a noise!

r4_rick

408 posts

153 months

Monday 4th February
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Someone was saying they wanted a road legal track car, Paragon posted up on FB that they are selling their quite well known, Blue/Peppermint 996, someone posted that it was road legal....

seawise

1,416 posts

144 months

Monday 4th February
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r4_rick said:
Someone was saying they wanted a road legal track car, Paragon posted up on FB that they are selling their quite well known, Blue/Peppermint 996, someone posted that it was road legal....
yes, their early 996 C2 race car which has strong competition history, is road legal and is currently for sale as Mark isn't planning on defending his title this season.

Digga

26,077 posts

221 months

Monday 4th February
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r4_rick said:
Someone was saying they wanted a road legal track car, Paragon posted up on FB that they are selling their quite well known, Blue/Peppermint 996, someone posted that it was road legal....
IIRC it's not a GT3 but Mark Sumpter's race car, so a pretty well sorted 911 nonetheless.

noneedtolift

768 posts

161 months

Monday 4th February
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MDL111 said:
noneedtolift said:
MDL111 said:
no clue on hours. was told
c 25-30k for a comprehensive engine rebuild and
c. 2-3k for work hours on the transmission, including parts anything from 3k to 15k depending on what needs to be replaced

the above car mentions €52k spent, but I don't have the invoice breakdown yet - will give details once/if they send it to me
For cars MY 2004 manual says: change of crown wheel & pinion after 8 tkm is recommended, check of all bearings after 5 tkm, recommended change of pinion bearing after 5 tkm, recomended change of gear linkages and gearchange- mechanism after 10 tkm (the lever-box is meant). LSD fricition plates change according to wear. Dismantle & check Suspension after 30 hrs, replace drive shafts and Wheel bearings and fuel filter

For the MY 2002 cars it says complete overhaul of the gearbox after 30hrs other than that more or less the same. I would imagine that most 2002 cars will by now have 2004 gearbox internals though...

Neither manual states anything about engine life and from my experience they go on for a very long time if treated right.

Been doing trackdays in 996 and 997 Cups for a while now and am now in a 2016 991 Cup. 996 was always hassle free, very close to the road car really. Parts have become expensive though, PAG has upped the Prices considerably over the past years.

Different world and there's no turning back even if I really enjoy the GT3 road cars as well. Can only recommend the leap to anyone who is serious About his driving. Incidentially I know both the previous owner as well as the garage who sells the early 996 on mobile.de (am Munich based).

Happy to help anyone if I can.



Edited by noneedtolift on Thursday 31st January 14:47
Thank you for the very informative post and the offer - missed your post earlier.

Am also Munich based (although the car would mostly reside close to Salzburg, so I can easily get to the Salzburgring and Red Bull ring) and don't have to navigate city traffic.

I spoke to a-workx earlier this week and they will check the car(s) for me prior to making a purchase decision.

I like the early 996 as I think it looks better than the 996.2, I assume if it has been rebuilt correctly and is straight, the accident should not be of too much concern? The garage selling it also did the rebuild of the car.
Cool, I drive the Red Bull Ring once or twice a year (997 as I have no RBR footage in the 991: https://vimeo.com/165773788) and quite like it. Salzburgring gets a bit old after a couple of days, also quite easily to kill yourself there….

If you don't already you should know that Nico from A-Workx and David from Cartech know each other quite well but are in competition so you should be ok with A-Workx checking on it smile

Good rebuild on that car I personally think!


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JMo22

92 posts

117 months

Monday 4th February
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Took my 996.1 GT3 to Brands last month. Just a phenomenal car - every part of the car just feels so perfectly balanced and it felt as though it could just pound around all day.

The feeling when you nailed Paddock Hill bend and it grazed the tarmac at the bottom with the Mezger engine heading towards the red line and then H&T into druids was pure motoring nirvana!




Joehow

171 posts

53 months

Monday 4th February
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JMo22 said:
Took my 996.1 GT3 to Brands last month. Just a phenomenal car - every part of the car just feels so perfectly balanced and it felt as though it could just pound around all day.

The feeling when you nailed Paddock Hill bend and it grazed the tarmac at the bottom with the Mezger engine heading towards the red line and then H&T into druids was pure motoring nirvana!



Dreamy that!

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Monday 4th February
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JMo22 said:
Took my 996.1 GT3 to Brands last month. Just a phenomenal car - every part of the car just feels so perfectly balanced and it felt as though it could just pound around all day.

The feeling when you nailed Paddock Hill bend and it grazed the tarmac at the bottom with the Mezger engine heading towards the red line and then H&T into druids was pure motoring nirvana!



The perfect GT3 in the best hue thumbup




smile

evodarren

309 posts

72 months

Saturday 9th February
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Slippydiff said:
JulierPass said:
996's wear red and yellow soooo well. Cherry on the cake has to be gold BBS LM's
I was rather partial to silver LM’s smile







Hi Slippy
Was out with a friend call Jamie this morning for a breakfast meet. He said he brought you red gt3.

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Saturday 9th February
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evodarren said:
Hi Slippy
Was out with a friend call Jamie this morning for a breakfast meet. He said he brought you red gt3.
Hi Darren, small world !! A fine car and and a fine gentleman.

Dammit

2,866 posts

146 months

Saturday 9th February
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I think the ex-SD car looks superb on those BBS LM's, and have been having a chat with Centre Gravity about them. Their strongly held view is that less is more when it comes to tyres, if you are not being paid to drive a car that is covered in sponsors logos.

What's the view here on the width of rubber best suited to fun on the road?

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Saturday 9th February
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Dammit said:
What's the view here on the width of rubber best suited to fun on the road?
Depends on the car. And opinions will vary. 235 rears were plenty for my old 3.4 Cayman. Would be plenty for me on any standard 996 Carrera for road driving, but I doubt that would be a popular view!

If I was speccing something like a 997 Carrera, I wouldn't go bigger than 215 front, 245 rear. To be honest, I'd quite like to try a 997 GT3 on tyres around those sizes for road driving, plus no more than 18 inches in diameter, think that might actually be enough given the GT3 isn't over endowed with torque...not convinced the 19s do the car's road manners any favours.

It's a preference thing, in the end.

JMo22

92 posts

117 months

Saturday 9th February
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Thanks for comments guys.

Does anybody know what weight savings the BBS LMs offer over the standard 996.1 GT3 BBS wheels? Only been able to find a decade old PH thread, which surprisingly given their popularity seemed to suggest no difference? Seems to be easier to pick up spares of the original wheels these days vs LMs so probably worth carrying on risking using those?

Also debating whether to replace front discs with Alcons when the time comes but not sure the £/kg saved stacks up as they are made in such low volume nowadays.

Appreciate any thoughts!

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Saturday 9th February
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JMo22 said:
Thanks for comments guys.

Does anybody know what weight savings the BBS LMs offer over the standard 996.1 GT3 BBS wheels? Only been able to find a decade old PH thread, which surprisingly given their popularity seemed to suggest no difference? Seems to be easier to pick up spares of the original wheels these days vs LMs so probably worth carrying on risking using those?

Also debating whether to replace front discs with Alcons when the time comes but not sure the £/kg saved stacks up as they are made in such low volume nowadays.

Appreciate any thoughts!
BBS Japan don’t supply spares for LM’s. Trash or buckle one and you’ll need a complete replacement wheel.
The LM’s are strong, as are the OE Sport Design wheels (which are made by BBS Germany) The rim section of the OE Sport Design wheel is incredibly light, the star however is like a boat anchor.
The issue with the OE wheels is the conservative offsets which really don’t fill the arches out convincingly. The LM’s in 9 and 11” widths do.



Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 9th February 19:47

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Saturday 9th February
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Dammit said:
I think the ex-SD car looks superb on those BBS LM's, and have been having a chat with Centre Gravity about them. Their strongly held view is that less is more when it comes to tyres, if you are not being paid to drive a car that is covered in sponsors logos.

What's the view here on the width of rubber best suited to fun on the road?
You could stretch 225 section tyres on 9” fronts, but I think the 235 is better fit.
A 285 on the 11” rear is probably ok, but a 295 is nicer. Both the 235 and 295 are Mk 2 996 GT3/RS standard fitments, albeit the Mk 2 used an 8.5” front (rather than the 8” the Mk 1 used) and an 11” rear as opposed to the 10” wheels on the Mk1.

Dammit

2,866 posts

146 months

Saturday 9th February
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I think I'll delay the wheel decision until we've got the engine in, that way I can test the 17's I've still got in the garage, the 18's that are on the car, and then work out if I want to put an inch of diameter on or take it off.

Did you get my email btw? I'm never sure if they work when responding to a PM.

evodarren

309 posts

72 months

Saturday 9th February
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Slippydiff said:
Hi Darren, small world !! A fine car and and a fine gentleman.
He regrets selling it. Keeps telling me to keep mine. I said you don’t have to tell me. Mines not going anywhere

Cheburator mk2

2,415 posts

137 months

Saturday 9th February
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JMo22 said:
Thanks for comments guys.

Does anybody know what weight savings the BBS LMs offer over the standard 996.1 GT3 BBS wheels? Only been able to find a decade old PH thread, which surprisingly given their popularity seemed to suggest no difference? Seems to be easier to pick up spares of the original wheels these days vs LMs so probably worth carrying on risking using those?

Also debating whether to replace front discs with Alcons when the time comes but not sure the £/kg saved stacks up as they are made in such low volume nowadays.

Appreciate any thoughts!
I must really compare the weights, but my LMs - 11” and 9” are definitely lighter than my OEMs. I use 295 rears and 235 fronts. The car is very pointy and quite oversteery with aggressive front alignment. I am running -2deg 45min camber and all the caster that you can get, while toe in is set at 2min per side, which is almost negligible. At the rear I am running -2deg 15min camber and 12m in of toe in per side. We also shortened the effective wheel base of the car by 10mm, which made it quite pointy. Manthey/PMotorsport arms all round so spherical bearings and not a rubber bush in sight.

In terms of dynamics - it makes me laugh out loud every time I drive her, which is not that often sadly. If it was good enough for Olaf, it is good enough for me smile

Slippydiff

10,090 posts

161 months

Sunday 10th February
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evodarren said:
He regrets selling it. Keeps telling me to keep mine. I said you don’t have to tell me. Mines not going anywhere
The TVR, the GT2 and the AMG Merc, he may regret selling. However the GT3 he WILL regret selling it.

JamieG

891 posts

163 months

Sunday 10th February
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Afternoon H - thanks for the kind words...!Hope all is good with you.