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Yellow491 said:
Juno said:
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
No one said peanuts bar you.
I have a manuel change sequential box,nearly as quick as a pdk up the box,far from crap.
Fact is they are lardy autos,far from lightweight as the rs always used to be,they could still make one.Think of less consumables on a track car by weight reduction,most will be boulevard cruisers.
You can only remember the rs as a proper lightweight because you're old enough for free prescriptions.
Porsche could do it if they wanted, but why bother when they sell like hot cakes.
AP is a salesman at the end of the day for all intents and purposes.
993rsr said:
Yellow491 said:
Juno said:
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
No one said peanuts bar you.
I have a manuel change sequential box,nearly as quick as a pdk up the box,far from crap.
Fact is they are lardy autos,far from lightweight as the rs always used to be,they could still make one.Think of less consumables on a track car by weight reduction,most will be boulevard cruisers.
You can only remember the rs as a proper lightweight because you're old enough for free prescriptions.
Porsche could do it if they wanted, but why bother when they sell like hot cakes.
AP is a salesman at the end of the day for all intents and purposes.
te and a thing of the past,its a big marketing excercise of which Ap informs most what they want to hear
993rsr said:
Porsche could do it if they wanted, but why bother when they sell like hot cakes.
AP is a salesman at the end of the day for all intents and purposes.
Tbh I'm not convinced anyone can easily make a true lightweight car (1200kg wet) with a reasonable number of cylinders (ie at least 6!) that sells in sufficient numbers to keep the price reasonable. AP is a salesman at the end of the day for all intents and purposes.
It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days. Once you add all that, even Mclaren (cf monocoque and in some cases cf panels) are unable to make a car that weighs less than 1300kg fully fuelled. Look at the cgt too, magnesium and cf everywhere and it's still a touch over 1450kg with a full tank....There's the Valkyrie of course but that's £3m quid or so and counting
Part of the appeal of modern cars actually is their do everything ability, the lardiness contributes to that in many respects so I guess it's not an unreasonable compromise as well.
Yellow491 said:
Juno said:
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
No one said peanuts bar you.
I have a manuel change sequential box,nearly as quick as a pdk up the box,far from crap.
Fact is they are lardy autos,far from lightweight as the rs always used to be,they could still make one.Think of less consumables on a track car by weight reduction,most will be boulevard cruisers.
isaldiri said:
Tbh I'm not convinced anyone can easily make a true lightweight car (1200kg wet) with a reasonable number of cylinders (ie at least 6!) that sells in sufficient numbers to keep the price reasonable.
It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days. Once you add all that, even Mclaren (cf monocoque and in some cases cf panels) are unable to make a car that weighs less than 1300kg fully fuelled. Look at the cgt too, magnesium and cf everywhere and it's still a touch over 1450kg with a full tank....There's the Valkyrie of course but that's £3m quid or so and counting
Part of the appeal of modern cars actually is their do everything ability, the lardiness contributes to that in many respects so I guess it's not an unreasonable compromise as well.
Noble had a good go with the Noble M400 1080kgs and Ultimas new RS looks pretty trick!It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days. Once you add all that, even Mclaren (cf monocoque and in some cases cf panels) are unable to make a car that weighs less than 1300kg fully fuelled. Look at the cgt too, magnesium and cf everywhere and it's still a touch over 1450kg with a full tank....There's the Valkyrie of course but that's £3m quid or so and counting
Part of the appeal of modern cars actually is their do everything ability, the lardiness contributes to that in many respects so I guess it's not an unreasonable compromise as well.
Juno said:
isaldiri said:
Tbh I'm not convinced anyone can easily make a true lightweight car (1200kg wet) with a reasonable number of cylinders (ie at least 6!) that sells in sufficient numbers to keep the price reasonable.
It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days. Once you add all that, even Mclaren (cf monocoque and in some cases cf panels) are unable to make a car that weighs less than 1300kg fully fuelled. Look at the cgt too, magnesium and cf everywhere and it's still a touch over 1450kg with a full tank....There's the Valkyrie of course but that's £3m quid or so and counting
Part of the appeal of modern cars actually is their do everything ability, the lardiness contributes to that in many respects so I guess it's not an unreasonable compromise as well.
Noble had a good go with the Noble M400 1080kgs and Ultimas new RS looks pretty trick!It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days. Once you add all that, even Mclaren (cf monocoque and in some cases cf panels) are unable to make a car that weighs less than 1300kg fully fuelled. Look at the cgt too, magnesium and cf everywhere and it's still a touch over 1450kg with a full tank....There's the Valkyrie of course but that's £3m quid or so and counting
Part of the appeal of modern cars actually is their do everything ability, the lardiness contributes to that in many respects so I guess it's not an unreasonable compromise as well.
I am not a particular fan of the new Porsche RS offerings, but at least they show up at track days - so some of the thousands of buyers do seem to use them as intended instead of as boulevard cruisers
If they built a proper lightweight car (ideally without a PDK, would like sth more mechanical feeling not necessarily manual though, i’d be game)
It is unlikely though given that people who have not even received their car are already discussing the next iteration - long may it continue for Porsche’s sake - I doubt it will though once every change costs 30-50k again in depreciation
MDL111 said:
I would have actually bought the Ultima Evo (is that the name?) if the delivery time had been like 6 months as opposed to 2.5 to 3 years - once you added all the options, it was not exactly cheap though
I am not a particular fan of the new Porsche RS offerings, but at least they show up at track days - so some of the thousands of buyers do seem to use them as intended instead of as boulevard cruisers
If they built a proper lightweight car (ideally without a PDK, would like sth more mechanical feeling not necessarily manual though, i’d be game)
It is unlikely though given that people who have not even received their car are already discussing the next iteration - long may it continue for Porsche’s sake - I doubt it will though once every change costs 30-50k again in depreciation
You got to do something while you wait!I am not a particular fan of the new Porsche RS offerings, but at least they show up at track days - so some of the thousands of buyers do seem to use them as intended instead of as boulevard cruisers
If they built a proper lightweight car (ideally without a PDK, would like sth more mechanical feeling not necessarily manual though, i’d be game)
It is unlikely though given that people who have not even received their car are already discussing the next iteration - long may it continue for Porsche’s sake - I doubt it will though once every change costs 30-50k again in depreciation
Yellow491 said:
Interesting car on top gear sunday eve with 400bhp,at 200k, chris seemed to like it after his bullying
Why do gt cars need such big heavy wheels and tyres,and disc brakes that you could put tyres on,apart from coping with the lateral grip and weight.
The Dallara seemed very impressive apart from the stupid doors.Why do gt cars need such big heavy wheels and tyres,and disc brakes that you could put tyres on,apart from coping with the lateral grip and weight.
Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 2nd July 21:12
Taffy66 said:
Yellow491 said:
Interesting car on top gear sunday eve with 400bhp,at 200k, chris seemed to like it after his bullying
Why do gt cars need such big heavy wheels and tyres,and disc brakes that you could put tyres on,apart from coping with the lateral grip and weight.
The Dallara seemed very impressive apart from the stupid doors.Why do gt cars need such big heavy wheels and tyres,and disc brakes that you could put tyres on,apart from coping with the lateral grip and weight.
Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 2nd July 21:12
Juno said:
MDL111 said:
I would have actually bought the Ultima Evo (is that the name?) if the delivery time had been like 6 months as opposed to 2.5 to 3 years - once you added all the options, it was not exactly cheap though
I am not a particular fan of the new Porsche RS offerings, but at least they show up at track days - so some of the thousands of buyers do seem to use them as intended instead of as boulevard cruisers
If they built a proper lightweight car (ideally without a PDK, would like sth more mechanical feeling not necessarily manual though, i’d be game)
It is unlikely though given that people who have not even received their car are already discussing the next iteration - long may it continue for Porsche’s sake - I doubt it will though once every change costs 30-50k again in depreciation
You got to do something while you wait!I am not a particular fan of the new Porsche RS offerings, but at least they show up at track days - so some of the thousands of buyers do seem to use them as intended instead of as boulevard cruisers
If they built a proper lightweight car (ideally without a PDK, would like sth more mechanical feeling not necessarily manual though, i’d be game)
It is unlikely though given that people who have not even received their car are already discussing the next iteration - long may it continue for Porsche’s sake - I doubt it will though once every change costs 30-50k again in depreciation
isaldiri said:
It's easy to make a very specialised stripped out car like a race/track car thing but the actual number of people willing to buy one would be very low if it isn't expressly limited to hype up the appeal as people spending that kind of money seemingly want nice leather interior, posh sound systems and umpteenth stitching options these days.
it's extremely easy, all you need is to remove the back seats (optional) remove the AC (optional) lightweight windows (optional) and fabric door pulls, put sport chrono as standard then watch the money fly in 
Yellow491 said:
I am sure its a weapon but it needs a pedigree
But does it need pedigree, if as people say it’s all about the drive then why does it need pedigree? Unless of course we are back to future values!
If it does what to says on the tin is that not enough
They have also been around for a good few years now and dont appear to be going away as many others have
Edited by Juno on Wednesday 3rd July 13:55
They seem to be doing well given the waiting times (I am not brave or talented enough to build something that can hit speeds in excess of 10 mph myself ....)
I think I'd probably wreck it quickly though - one thing to like no-aids driver cars, another thing to be able to drive one with that amount of horsepower.
Might still get one one day to scare myself and "dominate" track days ...
I think I'd probably wreck it quickly though - one thing to like no-aids driver cars, another thing to be able to drive one with that amount of horsepower.
Might still get one one day to scare myself and "dominate" track days
... Fast forward a few years from when this thread started....
2022 PORSCHE 992 GT3 RS SPIED TESTING ON THE NÜRBURGRING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtaAq3eS8tc
2022 PORSCHE 992 GT3 RS SPIED TESTING ON THE NÜRBURGRING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtaAq3eS8tc
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