997.2 or 991.1 as a daily?
Discussion
Much as I think the 997 is the better car of the two, the daily driver criterion makes the 991 the right decision, I think.
A better solution would be a 997 for use several times per week plus another car. For the family man, a 997 and a Range Rover of some sort is a combination that covers most bases.
A better solution would be a 997 for use several times per week plus another car. For the family man, a 997 and a Range Rover of some sort is a combination that covers most bases.
tallpaul26 said:
Background - I want a 911, wanted one for 20+ years. No objective reason, just because. Fortune has favoured me a little in the last few years and I'm in a good position to buy one. I don't want it to sit in the garage as I don't think it would come out enough to justify owning solely for high days and dry days. So, it needs to be my daily.
Budget allows me to go as far as an early 991 Carrera S. Indeed, looking at the market right now, these are starting to look better value than a late 997.2.
I guess my question is what are the pros and cons of each as a daily?
Earlier this year I bought another 911 for use in the US as I'm going to be spending time there. The car is intended as a 'daily' but that does not mean it will get used everyday. But it will come with me to the shops, beach, carry the dog, go to the odd meeting, and see regular long road trips of up to 15 hours in a day.Budget allows me to go as far as an early 991 Carrera S. Indeed, looking at the market right now, these are starting to look better value than a late 997.2.
I guess my question is what are the pros and cons of each as a daily?
Having shipped a 993 to the States and drove it east to west, and back east again, I'm a big fan of air cooled cars. But a newer car better suited for what I need there. As someone else mentioned, there is a massive leap from these cars to a 997.2 and it feels very modern to me, without feeling too tech heavy. I chose the 997.2 over the 991; I prefer the smaller dimensions, I like the look of the car more, especially the front (a personal thing), and I much prefer the steering feel. And one turned up in what is very close to a dream spec for me (again personal).
Either 997.2 or 991.1 will be a joy. Super usable cars.
tallpaul26 said:
Late yesterday, dealer phoned to say the 991.1 had sold, putting the skids on today's viewing. Back to refreshing a dozen browser tabs on an hourly basis.
Not wising to teach my grandmother to suck eggs, but the last few cars I’ve bought I have done the deal over the phone and paid a deposit subject to viewing.It saves disappointment and for hot cars excludes the competition. If the car is not as described when I see it the deposit is returned or, more usually, the shortcomings are addressed.
tallpaul26 said:
It's really not my preference but I've discussed that option with a couple of dealers and sales are coming so easy their preference is only to take a deposit upon viewing to save the hassle if the buyer gets cold feet.
I’ve never been rebuffed. Salesmen like it because it is a sign of commitment and it then becomes THEIR sale. I think they need to believe that the deal really is complete bar the viewing however. I don’t put a deposit on anything I am not absolutely intending to buy. Perhaps they got the impression that you were undecided.
Very much settled on a 991.1 Carrera S Coupe PDK.
Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
tallpaul26 said:
Very much settled on a 991.1 Carrera S Coupe PDK.
Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
I'd say around 10%. I've been looking at these for some time. Big variances in specific examples due to options/condition etc. but i'm sure I was looking at the £48k - £52k region pre COVID whereas now it is £54k - £58k. Good cars seem to sell quickly as well.Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
I'm in a 991.12S manual (rare colour combo and very heavily optioned) which I use as a daily and also a long distance cruiser and an early morning blatter.
Anecdotally (having talked to a few dealers) it has probably firmed up 5 - 10% since I bought it from Porsche Centre in the height of Covid (I agreed a deal, paid for the car and then it sat in the showroom for best part of 3 months due to the first lockdown and then me being temporarily stuck overseas).
I can't fault it as a daily - relaxed enough when you want to cruise, sporty enough when you want to hoon (I've used mine for Route Napoleon and also a Welsh Brecons / Snowdonia weekend hoon) and very practical in terms of luggage carrying capacity with front boot and the space behind the driver and passenger seats if you fold the rear seat backs down or even if you simply put stuff on the rear seats / rear shelf.
Even does 30mpg on a run and I easily get up to 400 miles on a tank on the autoroute.
Anecdotally (having talked to a few dealers) it has probably firmed up 5 - 10% since I bought it from Porsche Centre in the height of Covid (I agreed a deal, paid for the car and then it sat in the showroom for best part of 3 months due to the first lockdown and then me being temporarily stuck overseas).
I can't fault it as a daily - relaxed enough when you want to cruise, sporty enough when you want to hoon (I've used mine for Route Napoleon and also a Welsh Brecons / Snowdonia weekend hoon) and very practical in terms of luggage carrying capacity with front boot and the space behind the driver and passenger seats if you fold the rear seat backs down or even if you simply put stuff on the rear seats / rear shelf.
Even does 30mpg on a run and I easily get up to 400 miles on a tank on the autoroute.
Maxus said:
tallpaul26 said:
Very much settled on a 991.1 Carrera S Coupe PDK.
Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
I'd say around 10%. I've been looking at these for some time. Big variances in specific examples due to options/condition etc. but i'm sure I was looking at the £48k - £52k region pre COVID whereas now it is £54k - £58k. Good cars seem to sell quickly as well.Prices for 997.2 are very strong and make the early 991 look good value to my eyes.
Does anyone know how much the average 991.1 has increased in value in the last 12-18 months? If, say, a good 2012 C2S is currently ~£55k (I appreciate there are wide error bars around that figure), where might that have been before COVID?
based on current prices of similar cars and comparing mileage and spec I'd say that if it were for sale today at the same dealer the price would be around £59k and possibly over £60k which is not that far off what I paid for it over 3 years ago.
Billy_Whizzzz said:
I have older cars than my 997 and the ‘old’ comment was nothing to do with it being analogue or classic, just old - not sharp, a bit rattly, rusty underneath etc etc despite being a gen 2 with only 50000 miles on. I’ve driven air cooled 911s and would rather have one of those over a 997. For daily I’d rather a 991.
Just for balance my 997.1.5 is extremely sharp, has never rattled anywhere from new and no rust anywhere despite being kept mostly outside and driven year round. I think the example described above may be the exception ? The dailying bit it totally personal, I daily mine for periods at a time and even with solid bushings find it engaging and feels like a proper 911 with the rear end dominating the experience, superb steering and real chuckability, I bought a new 991.2 and hated it, it felt like an Audi, sold after 750 miles......
TB993tt said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
I have older cars than my 997 and the ‘old’ comment was nothing to do with it being analogue or classic, just old - not sharp, a bit rattly, rusty underneath etc etc despite being a gen 2 with only 50000 miles on. I’ve driven air cooled 911s and would rather have one of those over a 997. For daily I’d rather a 991.
Just for balance my 997.1.5 is extremely sharp, has never rattled anywhere from new and no rust anywhere despite being kept mostly outside and driven year round. I think the example described above may be the exception ? The dailying bit it totally personal, I daily mine for periods at a time and even with solid bushings find it engaging and feels like a proper 911 with the rear end dominating the experience, superb steering and real chuckability, I bought a new 991.2 and hated it, it felt like an Audi, sold after 750 miles......
tallpaul26 said:
I appreciate this is probably a well trodden path and ultimately a personal choice, but as my Wife doesn't particularly care about the relative merits of weight, PAS v ePAS etc so I thought I'd talk to some complete strangers instead!
Background - I want a 911, wanted one for 20+ years. No objective reason, just because. Fortune has favoured me a little in the last few years and I'm in a good position to buy one. I don't want it to sit in the garage as I don't think it would come out enough to justify owning solely for high days and dry days. So, it needs to be my daily.
Budget allows me to go as far as an early 991 Carrera S. Indeed, looking at the market right now, these are starting to look better value than a late 997.2.
I guess my question is what are the pros and cons of each as a daily?
Background - I want a 911, wanted one for 20+ years. No objective reason, just because. Fortune has favoured me a little in the last few years and I'm in a good position to buy one. I don't want it to sit in the garage as I don't think it would come out enough to justify owning solely for high days and dry days. So, it needs to be my daily.
Budget allows me to go as far as an early 991 Carrera S. Indeed, looking at the market right now, these are starting to look better value than a late 997.2.
I guess my question is what are the pros and cons of each as a daily?
Hi Tallpall. Don’t know if your still looking to buy…I’ve just sold this to WBAC…only 43k miles ..been a brilliant car ,Only sold to buy a gts..don’t know which auction my old cars going to but it’s definitely worth a punt if you fancy it…it needs nothing and I mean nothing but a set of rear discs. WBAC offered £1k more than Porsche as a trade so went that way.. had 18 months OPC warranty on it when I handed it in on tuesday…anyway if your still looking good luck with your search…cheers. Ian p.s. registration was..kgz8967
Edited by Polome on Saturday 12th June 14:55
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