Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

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Digga

36,839 posts

265 months

Thursday 15th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
IbanezDan said:
Tbh, I thought prices were softening, but now that some of these cars have sold (90k for a 40k mile gen1 with specialist history and a lot of owners ) it probably hasn’t softened at all.

There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
I looked at and drove the Lakeside car, it has a full OPC history and was under Porsche warranty until it couldn't be any more, we didn't buy it as its the first we've driven so nothing to compare with...it obviously felt different to our GT4, but not sure if they all feel the same. Hopefully driving another this weekend.
You sort of can't being to unpick quote how different the Mezger 997 GT3 is from the GT4. If that sounds like a "GT4's are not as good as GT3's" comment, it is not. A GT4 is an utterly epic thing, but both dynamically and mechanically, it's a world apart.

If the opportunity is there, it's definitely worth driving another GT3. Handling though, be cautious. Old tyres and st setup will make any car seem sub par. You just have to take it as read that, on that score, although it's never going to handle like a well setup GT4 (because of the different drivetrain configurations) they can be made to handle beautifully.

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Thursday 15th September
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Digga said:
You sort of can't being to unpick quote how different the Mezger 997 GT3 is from the GT4. If that sounds like a "GT4's are not as good as GT3's" comment, it is not. A GT4 is an utterly epic thing, but both dynamically and mechanically, it's a world apart.

If the opportunity is there, it's definitely worth driving another GT3. Handling though, be cautious. Old tyres and st setup will make any car seem sub par. You just have to take it as read that, on that score, although it's never going to handle like a well setup GT4 (because of the different drivetrain configurations) they can be made to handle beautifully.
Thanks, it actually steered and handled really well and we loved the sound of it, very different and much more raw, just a couple of other doubts came to mind while driving it...hopefully this weekend will help.

IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Thursday 15th September
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The grey none clubsport 997.2 at Porsche with 40k miles has also sold (last price was 116,995)…

If you want a cobalt car I’d say go for it, they’re isn’t many of them…

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Saturday 17th September
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Hi, car i'm looking at today is a clubsport but has H&R coilovers...good thing or bad thing? I guess it might of been a trackway weapon, also has PCCB's which i'm a bit scared of...guess will just see how it looks and drives.

Digga

36,839 posts

265 months

Saturday 17th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
Hi, car i'm looking at today is a clubsport but has H&R coilovers...good thing or bad thing? I guess it might of been a trackway weapon, also has PCCB's which i'm a bit scared of...guess will just see how it looks and drives.
PCCB’s are great on road. They are a larger diameter steels, so even if (like me) you decide to switch out the discs for safe keeping and go with steel rotors, you have better stopping power on track.

H&R less common/popular than KW but still a decent brand. Not sure I know too much about them though.

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Saturday 17th September
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Digga said:
ellesmereFNC said:
Hi, car i'm looking at today is a clubsport but has H&R coilovers...good thing or bad thing? I guess it might of been a trackway weapon, also has PCCB's which i'm a bit scared of...guess will just see how it looks and drives.
PCCB’s are great on road. They are a larger diameter steels, so even if (like me) you decide to switch out the discs for safe keeping and go with steel rotors, you have better stopping power on track.

H&R less common/popular than KW but still a decent brand. Not sure I know too much about them though.
Had them on my Mk 1 996 Clubsport, I wasn’t impressed (though they were past their best and the car was running way too low)
I never had an issue with the stock Gen 1 997 suspension on the road, so if you don’t like the H&R’s, I’d revert to stock, or be prepared to open your wallet for an expensive upgrade.

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Saturday 17th September
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Thanks for the feedback guys...think i'd prefer a standard car with it limitations but will see how it goes.

IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Saturday 17th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
Thanks for the feedback guys...think i'd prefer a standard car with it limitations but will see how it goes.
Get a pic! What’s the full spec? Colour?

I saw a cobalt blue clubsport back in 2019 I think it was with pccbs for sale at BMW sytner. Can’t be many around…

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Sunday 18th September
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IbanezDan said:
Get a pic! What’s the full spec? Colour?

I saw a cobalt blue clubsport back in 2019 I think it was with pccbs for sale at BMW sytner. Can’t be many around…
Didn't get a picture, it is a Cobalt blue car, clubsport, plastic dash and no, chrono, thought I recognised it and i was right it was / is the Ashgoods car that was up a few weeks ago, so a sort of dealer exchange thing. They also have a993 and 718 gt4.

For me it was set up too hard on the H&R's, very very firm, not that it tried to bounce you off the road just too much for a car to tour in which is what i'm after and I wouldn't want to start fiddling with the dampers.

search continues...but i think Cobalt is they way to go for me.

Digga

36,839 posts

265 months

Sunday 18th September
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No need for that harshness.

FWIW, despite riding flatter and having better body control - dive and roll - Tractives are more compliant in the standard/ road PASM setting than the OEM Bilsteins.

Agree, for touring, you’d be better with stock suspension than track biased passive shocks.


Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Sunday 18th September
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Digga said:
No need for that harshness.

FWIW, despite riding flatter and having better body control - dive and roll - Tractives are more compliant in the standard/ road PASM setting than the OEM Bilsteins.

Agree, for touring, you’d be better with stock suspension than track biased passive shocks.
Morning Marcus, hope you’re well ?
Not suggesting to the contrary with regards to how compliant your Tractive set up is, but one has to ask how many miles had your old OE Bilsteins done ?
As a bit like the swap from 5 year old, 25,000 mile, almost down to the canvas PS2’s to brand new PS 4S, the difference is going to be massive, so perhaps the comparison is a little unfair.
I know on the three occasions I’ve fitted refurbished OE Bilsteins and new springs on my various 996 GT3’s, the stock set up is wonderfully compliant (especially when compared to the tired dampers that came off prior to refurbishment)

I think I’d be investing £1500-2000 in a fresh set of OE springs and an OE damper refurb if the car is primarily going to be used for touring purposes, rather than automatically chucking £7K ? at a full on Tractive set up.
(and that’s from someone who’s a damper fetishist !!

Digga

36,839 posts

265 months

Sunday 18th September
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Slippydiff said:
Digga said:
No need for that harshness.

FWIW, despite riding flatter and having better body control - dive and roll - Tractives are more compliant in the standard/ road PASM setting than the OEM Bilsteins.

Agree, for touring, you’d be better with stock suspension than track biased passive shocks.
Morning Marcus, hope you’re well ?
Not suggesting to the contrary with regards to how compliant your Tractive set up is, but one has to ask how many miles had your old OE Bilsteins done ?
As a bit like the swap from 5 year old, 25,000 mile, almost down to the canvas PS2’s to brand new PS 4S, the difference is going to be massive, so perhaps the comparison is a little unfair.
I know on the three occasions I’ve fitted refurbished OE Bilsteins and new springs on my various 996 GT3’s, the stock set up is wonderfully compliant (especially when compared to the tired dampers that came off prior to refurbishment)

I think I’d be investing £1500-2000 in a fresh set of OE springs and an OE damper refurb if the car is primarily going to be used for touring purposes, rather than automatically chucking £7K ? at a full on Tractive set up.
(and that’s from someone who’s a damper fetishist !!
Agree totally that fresh OE are better than worn. The previous owner of my car (was chassis/project engineer for the Jaguar XE Project 8) sent the Bilsteins for refurb about a year or so before I bought the car, but even so.

Tractives are staggering, but for road the OE setup is very, very good. A friend who’s worked on (ordinary) road car chassis setup rode in it (stock) and commented how nicely a 997 GT3 works on road.

The beauty of Tractives is the added tunabilty but on road the costs stretch the benefits.

Dan911

2,641 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
Didn't get a picture, it is a Cobalt blue car, clubsport, plastic dash and no, chrono, thought I recognised it and i was right it was / is the Ashgoods car that was up a few weeks ago, so a sort of dealer exchange thing. They also have a 993 and 718 gt4.

For me it was set up too hard on the H&R's, very very firm, not that it tried to bounce you off the road just too much for a car to tour in which is what i'm after and I wouldn't want to start fiddling with the dampers.

search continues...but i think Cobalt is they way to go for me.
Love Cobalt! Where has the car been moved too from Ashgood?

BrotherMouzone

2,971 posts

156 months

Sunday 18th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
Didn't get a picture, it is a Cobalt blue car, clubsport, plastic dash and no, chrono, thought I recognised it and i was right it was / is the Ashgoods car that was up a few weeks ago, so a sort of dealer exchange thing. They also have a993 and 718 gt4.

For me it was set up too hard on the H&R's, very very firm, not that it tried to bounce you off the road just too much for a car to tour in which is what i'm after and I wouldn't want to start fiddling with the dampers.

search continues...but i think Cobalt is they way to go for me.
If the rest of the car is good, I would go for it. Coilovers are easy fix. Might even be just the current settings!

There aren’t many 997 GT3s to start with, even fewer to choose from after discounting cars with ‘stories’ , and being specific about colour / specs etc

Unless you are looking for one without cage (for touring)?

IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Sunday 18th September
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BrotherMouzone said:
If the rest of the car is good, I would go for it. Coilovers are easy fix. Might even be just the current settings!

There aren’t many 997 GT3s to start with, even fewer to choose from after discounting cars with ‘stories’ , and being specific about colour / specs etc

Unless you are looking for one without cage (for touring)?
As I said before, you can remove the cage and swap out the seats. The added benefit then is you have something far more saleable down the line.

No sport chrono - bonus to me, it’s ugly and useless. Plastic dash, ok not as nice as a leather capped dash but it’s a GT3…

Honestly, I think if you want something more compliant I think you’re looking for the wrong car. GTS or stick with the GT4…

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Sunday 18th September
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IbanezDan said:
As I said before, you can remove the cage and swap out the seats. The added benefit then is you have something far more saleable down the line.

No sport chrono - bonus to me, it’s ugly and useless. Plastic dash, ok not as nice as a leather capped dash but it’s a GT3…

Honestly, I think if you want something more compliant I think you’re looking for the wrong car. GTS or stick with the GT4…
I stopped short of saying that in the post I made earlier today ... but that’s pretty much what I thought.
Alternatively I’d be knocking on the CSR Skunkworks at RPM Technik and asking them about building a 997 based CSR project. I can confirm they’re really rather good ...

Da Original Whyayedee

286 posts

3 months

Sunday 18th September
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Slippydiff said:
I stopped short of saying that in the post I made earlier today ... but that’s pretty much what I thought.
Alternatively I’d be knocking on the CSR Skunkworks at RPM Technik and asking them about building a 997 based CSR project. I can confirm they’re really rather good ...
When I started thinking about what I was going to get this was my first choice, 997.1 hopefully a cheap one that needed a engine rebuild and have a Hartech 4.1 done, respray something nice, full suspension refresh with Ohlins or KW. I wondered how close to a GT3 you’d get, I’m sure dynamically on the road pretty close…. But it’s never going to be a Mezger is it?

But for £50k you could build something quite special

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Sunday 18th September
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Da Original Whyayedee said:
Slippydiff said:
I stopped short of saying that in the post I made earlier today ... but that’s pretty much what I thought.
Alternatively I’d be knocking on the CSR Skunkworks at RPM Technik and asking them about building a 997 based CSR project. I can confirm they’re really rather good ...
When I started thinking about what I was going to get this was my first choice, 997.1 hopefully a cheap one that needed a engine rebuild and have a Hartech 4.1 done, respray something nice, full suspension refresh with Ohlins or KW. I wondered how close to a GT3 you’d get, I’m sure dynamically on the road pretty close…. But it’s never going to be a Mezger is it?

But for £50k you could build something quite special
No, but just how often do you get the chance to use the Mezger to the full on the road ?
Sure they’re chock full of character all through the rev range, but unless you’re a trackday junkie or have the right roads to play on, the Mezger’s “charm” can wear thin.
I’ve tried most flavours, both N/A and Turbo, and whilst there’s no doubting they’re a brilliant piece of engineering, the replacement has moved the game on ...

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Sunday 18th September
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Henry C on the CSR Snakebite ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ANmQyLI70-g

Digga

36,839 posts

265 months

Monday 19th September
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Slippydiff said:
Da Original Whyayedee said:
Slippydiff said:
I stopped short of saying that in the post I made earlier today ... but that’s pretty much what I thought.
Alternatively I’d be knocking on the CSR Skunkworks at RPM Technik and asking them about building a 997 based CSR project. I can confirm they’re really rather good ...
When I started thinking about what I was going to get this was my first choice, 997.1 hopefully a cheap one that needed a engine rebuild and have a Hartech 4.1 done, respray something nice, full suspension refresh with Ohlins or KW. I wondered how close to a GT3 you’d get, I’m sure dynamically on the road pretty close…. But it’s never going to be a Mezger is it?

But for £50k you could build something quite special
No, but just how often do you get the chance to use the Mezger to the full on the road ?
Sure they’re chock full of character all through the rev range, but unless you’re a trackday junkie or have the right roads to play on, the Mezger’s “charm” can wear thin.
I’ve tried most flavours, both N/A and Turbo, and whilst there’s no doubting they’re a brilliant piece of engineering, the replacement has moved the game on ...
Sort of agree with this. You can drive the Mezger on the road, fine.

However, it not got much torque and really wants revs. There are a lot of people who feel they use their cars on the road, but there’s just no way to actually get the full experience without going on track, because you just cannot be 4,000 rpm minimum on any public road. Watch an on track video of any well driven 996/7 GT3 or RS and you can see this.