Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

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Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Monday 19th September
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Digga said:
Slippydiff said:
Da Original Whyayedee said:
Slippydiff said:
I stopped short of saying that in the post I made earlier today ... but that’s pretty much what I thought.
Alternatively I’d be knocking on the CSR Skunkworks at RPM Technik and asking them about building a 997 based CSR project. I can confirm they’re really rather good ...
When I started thinking about what I was going to get this was my first choice, 997.1 hopefully a cheap one that needed a engine rebuild and have a Hartech 4.1 done, respray something nice, full suspension refresh with Ohlins or KW. I wondered how close to a GT3 you’d get, I’m sure dynamically on the road pretty close…. But it’s never going to be a Mezger is it?

But for £50k you could build something quite special
No, but just how often do you get the chance to use the Mezger to the full on the road ?
Sure they’re chock full of character all through the rev range, but unless you’re a trackday junkie or have the right roads to play on, the Mezger’s “charm” can wear thin.
I’ve tried most flavours, both N/A and Turbo, and whilst there’s no doubting they’re a brilliant piece of engineering, the replacement has moved the game on ...
Sort of agree with this. You can drive the Mezger on the road, fine.

However, it not got much torque and really wants revs. There are a lot of people who feel they use their cars on the road, but there’s just no way to actually get the full experience without going on track, because you just cannot be 4,000 rpm minimum on any public road. Watch an on track video of any well driven 996/7 GT3 or RS and you can see this.
I live in a pretty remote area and I couldn't really imagine running a Mezger in a location where you're driving through traffic for ages to get to any open roads...it's the first car I've owned where 6000 to 8000 rpm is it's happy zone.

Digga

36,840 posts

265 months

Monday 19th September
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The thing with 4,000 rpm plus, on public roads, is the speed that accompanies it.

With the best will in the world, public roads are more ‘random’ than a circuit. The variables greater; spilled diesel, horse muck, a newly blown out pothole, escaped livestock, middle aged bellends in Lycra….

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Monday 19th September
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Digga said:
The thing with 4,000 rpm plus, on public roads, is the speed that accompanies it.

With the best will in the world, public roads are more ‘random’ than a circuit. The variables greater; spilled diesel, horse muck, a newly blown out pothole, escaped livestock, middle aged bellends in Lycra….
Perfect summation M !!
I agree, the Mezger is perfectly capable of road use, and on the right roads (over to you AndyOz) it’s a thing of wonderment, but the rest of the time, unless on track, it’s really rather wasted. I grant you it’s chock full of character, and all the better for it, but ultimately it is a detuned race engine that was made nicely streetable for those that choose that as it’s modus operandi.



Da Original Whyayedee

286 posts

3 months

Monday 19th September
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Why do I get the feeling I’m about to go around in circles again wobble

guyvert1

1,645 posts

224 months

Monday 19th September
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Surely all you're doing now is showing why the 997 Turbo is the hidden treasure scratchchin

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Dan911 said:
Love Cobalt! Where has the car been moved too from Ashgood?
Pocket Rocket Cars, Wem, Shropshire...Andy is a nice guy.

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th September
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IbanezDan said:
As I said before, you can remove the cage and swap out the seats. The added benefit then is you have something far more saleable down the line.

No sport chrono - bonus to me, it’s ugly and useless. Plastic dash, ok not as nice as a leather capped dash but it’s a GT3…

Honestly, I think if you want something more compliant I think you’re looking for the wrong car. GTS or stick with the GT4…
I am sticking with the GT4, the GT3 is an as well as car...the setup on this particular Gt3 was to harsh for me...nothing wrong in having personal choice, not in rush so no need to jump in.

GT3Manthey

2,809 posts

31 months

Tuesday 20th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
I am sticking with the GT4, the GT3 is an as well as car...the setup on this particular Gt3 was to harsh for me...nothing wrong in having personal choice, not in rush so no need to jump in.
I’ve owned 2 997 GT3’s and a GT4 981.

The GT4 is very much easier to live with and on track days felt more planted and confidence inspiring for a relative novice like myself.

My view would be stick with the GT4

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th September
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GT3Manthey said:
I’ve owned 2 997 GT3’s and a GT4 981.

The GT4 is very much easier to live with and on track days felt more planted and confidence inspiring for a relative novice like myself.

My view would be stick with the GT4
hopefully we'll be keeping the GT4 as well as adding a GT3 to the "fleet'

IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Tuesday 20th September
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ellesmereFNC said:
hopefully we'll be keeping the GT4 as well as adding a GT3 to the "fleet'
It’s been up for awhile but don’t think you’ve discussed it - what’s wrong with the auto lounge car?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13280034

Da Original Whyayedee

286 posts

3 months

Tuesday 20th September
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It was a bit more toppy priced before, I think it was £94k last time I looked at that advert, so looks like its had a little drop.

IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Da Original Whyayedee said:
It was a bit more toppy priced before, I think it was £94k last time I looked at that advert, so looks like its had a little drop.
Didn't look top heavy then given its done over 10k miles less IMO, now 2k cheaper it looks a bargain compared.

thelostboy

4,264 posts

207 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Not sure I'd call any Gen 1 Comfort north of £90k a bargain when it wasn't that many years ago I paid £75k or so from an OPC (so Porsche warranty) - and that was when the market was up!

ellesmereFNC

126 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th September
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IbanezDan said:
It’s been up for awhile but don’t think you’ve discussed it - what’s wrong with the auto lounge car?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13280034
It was a bit much when originally on at over £95k so dismissed it as no dual xenon and chrono but mostly its a heck of a long camel ride from where I am...wouldn't just pop up for a test drive


IbanezDan

78 posts

39 months

Tuesday 20th September
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thelostboy said:
Not sure I'd call any Gen 1 Comfort north of £90k a bargain when it wasn't that many years ago I paid £75k or so from an OPC (so Porsche warranty) - and that was when the market was up!
That’s one way of looking at it. Then again, I sold my previous C63 for a 20% increase after only owning it for a year in 2021, it’s all quite relative.

shantybeater

1,126 posts

151 months

Wednesday 21st September
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thelostboy said:
Not sure I'd call any Gen 1 Comfort north of £90k a bargain when it wasn't that many years ago I paid £75k or so from an OPC (so Porsche warranty) - and that was when the market was up!
Yep and I remember E30 M3's being £15k, 996 GT2's at £35k....shall I go on?

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Thursday 22nd September
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shantybeater said:
Yep and I remember E30 M3's being £15k, 996 GT2's at £35k....shall I go on?
964 RS £23k

993 RS £34k

22B £35K

996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car) smile

julian987R

4,530 posts

41 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k

993 RS £34k

22B £35K

996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car) smile
930 Turbo £2K to £5K

rrroro

340 posts

137 months

Thursday 22nd September
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julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k

993 RS £34k

22B £35K

996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car) smile
930 Turbo £2K to £5K
My ‘one that got away’, was a 997.2 GT3 RS when they were down to 85k. Trade in on my car at the time was 50k and I thought an additional 35k for the RS would just be mental biscuits rotate

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Thursday 22nd September
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rrroro said:
julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k

993 RS £34k

22B £35K

996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car) smile
930 Turbo £2K to £5K
My ‘one that got away’, was a 997.2 GT3 RS when they were down to 85k. Trade in on my car at the time was 50k and I thought an additional 35k for the RS would just be mental biscuits rotate
We’ve all done it !!
I’d sold my 964 RS to a mate (who still owns it) for £30K, I drove up to GMund to view a gloss black 964 Turbo S Leichtbau (the rare 3.3 litre version) which was up at £55K.

I “couldn’t see the value in it” so I bought an ex-Belgian 993 RS off a chap in Tonbridge for £34,500 instead ...

I’m guessing that Leichtbau would be worth at least £750K now ?