992.2 GT3 - Availability, what’s the latest?
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hornbaek said:
HundredthIdiot said:
AllyM said:
Isn’t a GT3 a pretty harsh ride on UK roads?
I could see a new GTS being able to be used daily, not so much the GT3.
Still, rather have the GT3 if it were solely a track toy.
I recently test drove a newish 992.1 GT3 Touring with PDK and found it perfectly usable in terms of refinement, damping and road noise. I believe the damping has improved significantly through the model life, with IIRC 11 revisions to the damping software, which is not routinely upgraded during OPC servicing. So individual cars vary a lot.I could see a new GTS being able to be used daily, not so much the GT3.
Still, rather have the GT3 if it were solely a track toy.
The only usability downside was the ride height. Around where I live there are speed bumps littered through every village, and using the front lift is necessary on these, so driving was a constant game of looking for speed bumps with the left hand hovering near the lift button. You can store GPS locations for auto lift but only 256 of them. Maybe you get used to this over time but I found it unappealing.
Otherwise the car left me a bit cold. I've owned a high revving car before and so there's no magic in 9000rpm itself, and in this car the engine is so smooth, almost turbine like, that I felt like I needed to wind the windows down to get a bit more of an experience, but that just added wind noise. I couldn't feel the engine through my hands and arse, although the sports seats on the model I drove didn't help.
So, impressed but a little disappointed, I bought a 991.1 GT3 RS.
It's a complete psycho of a car. Far less practical than the 992 non-RS, much harsher riding and speed bumps need to be taken at a crawl even with lift, but it feels alive even at idle, and when I rev it out it sounds and feels like the sky is being torn apart. I suspect the exhaust isn't entirely standard as the loud button doesn't do much.
I still fancy a manual car but might pick up a 991 T in a couple of years when my wife has cooled off a bit, assuming it can do speed bumps without lift.
I've no interest in a Porsche with turbos, but each to their own.
Moral of the story: don't rely on YouTube videos or journalist opinions to choose a car. Test it on roads you'll actually use and see how it makes you feel.
Edited by HundredthIdiot on Wednesday 12th February 05:21
they have all gone soft over the years. Mate drives his 991 off for jerry can fuel fills,dj dinners out,leave his mates behind and thinks nothing of shooting off to the south of france etcHundredthIdiot said:
I've no interest in a Porsche with turbos, but each to their own.
Neither do I in a sports car or 4wd. Edited by HundredthIdiot on Wednesday 12th February 05:21
I’d it was a car that is used 12 months a year I might have a different opinion but until the kids are no longer at home a 911 won’t be my daily.
hornbaek said:
Interesting take on the 992.1 GT3 Touring / 991 GT3 RS comparison. I exchanged my 991 GT3 RS for the Touring 3 years ago and have now done 20.000km in my Touring. Previous to that I owned my 991.1 GT3 RS for 5 years and sold it when the Touring came along. I had both cars from new. I found the 992 GT3 Touring much more track focused than the car it replaced. It was almost as if the new generation 992 GT3 Touring was much more like the previous RS equivalent. Sharper turn-in, noisier, higher rev range and much louder cabin. I would argue that on trips along the autobahn, the previous 991.1 GT3 RS was more comfortable (in relative terms) than the next 992 GT generation. I never really gelled with the 991.1 GT3 RS in the same way as I do with the 992 GT3. I also have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and that that is no comparison to the two other models altogether.
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How interesting about the different experiences. I drove the two cars back to back and the 991.1 RS was definitely less civilised than the 992.1 Touring (ride quality, exhaust and cabin noise). I wonder whether my RS has been fettled with, or whether there's a lot of tyre sensitivity, or whether the damping has really changed a lot as the 992 has been developed.
So many questions. Maybe I need to drive some more examples to compare.
I'm not surprised about the sharper turn in though, given the suspension redesign in the 992.
Kinda relatedly, it's interesting how the recent press event for the 992.2 GT3 was organised. Manual tourings on road, PDK winged cars on track, never the twain shall meet. Odd really, since it's not like anyone is getting slots to order both.
You have to wonder how much track-road specific fettling Porsche do of press cars for these things, given how adjustable the GT cars are.
So we have the press being managed and not asking any difficult questions as usual, and presumably no private individuals are getting test drives before placing their orders blind.
Anyway, they're all amazing cars and we're lucky to own them.
Yellow491 said:
100% agree Hornbeak,the 991 gt3rs is far from a sycho of a car unless you come from a bmw or a roller they have all gone soft over the years. Mate drives his 991 off for jerry can fuel fills,dj dinners out,leave his mates behind and thinks nothing of shooting off to the south of france etc
I'd come straight out of a 992.1 GT3 Touring! they have all gone soft over the years. Mate drives his 991 off for jerry can fuel fills,dj dinners out,leave his mates behind and thinks nothing of shooting off to the south of france etcQuite a good question in there. How many customers actually get to test drive these cars before they order and collect. Certainly at this stage of the game, none. I don’t believe there is a .2 in the country yet.
I can’t remember the last time I test drove a car before purchasing. I tend to just trust the words of real automotive journalists that I’ve followed for the last 25+ years. They are rarely wrong, at least from my experience. But then I only tend to listen to ones where their priorities align with those I’m looking for in a car.
Almost every review and podcast I’ve listened to/read/watched have asked if the winged and Touring cars have the same basic set up. i.e. spring rates and damper settings, and the answer from Porsche was equivocally yes. Of course geo settings may vary between their road and track cars, but that is something that any owner can tune to their preference. As you say, there is a lot of adjustability in these cars.
I can’t remember the last time I test drove a car before purchasing. I tend to just trust the words of real automotive journalists that I’ve followed for the last 25+ years. They are rarely wrong, at least from my experience. But then I only tend to listen to ones where their priorities align with those I’m looking for in a car.
Almost every review and podcast I’ve listened to/read/watched have asked if the winged and Touring cars have the same basic set up. i.e. spring rates and damper settings, and the answer from Porsche was equivocally yes. Of course geo settings may vary between their road and track cars, but that is something that any owner can tune to their preference. As you say, there is a lot of adjustability in these cars.
jackwood said:
Almost every review and podcast I’ve listened to/read/watched have asked if the winged and Touring cars have the same basic set up. i.e. spring rates and damper settings, and the answer from Porsche was equivocally yes. Of course geo settings may vary between their road and track cars, but that is something that any owner can tune to their preference. As you say, there is a lot of adjustability in these cars.
I assume there aren't too many people changing geo before and after every trackday, so you'd think it would be a more informative test if the cars were either all in stock geo or a couple of different ones were offered for both road and track test. That way there would be some insight into the compromises/choices people have to make when owning the things, along with tyres choices, ceramics vs steels and harnesses vs regular belts.But I suppose press launch videos and magazine articles aren't really buying guides for potential owners, or else they'd only get a few thousand views.
Anyway, my 991 RS came fitted with Cup 2s and ceramics, and a boxed set of PFC steels which the last owner used on track. I'm keen to drive the car in winter but despite the Cup 2s not being that bad in low temps I can't push them at all, so my provisional plan is to go with PS4S/ceramics in winter and Cup 2/steels in summer, which should mean only semi-annual changes, and I might get the geo tweaked each time too, but given that it's now mid-Feb I'll probably stick with what I have until trackday season starts.
Yellow491 said:
100% agree Hornbeak,the 991 gt3rs is far from a sycho of a car unless you come from a bmw or a roller they have all gone soft over the years. Mate drives his 991 off for jerry can fuel fills,dj dinners out,leave his mates behind and thinks nothing of shooting off to the south of france etc
Sadly already has 3 in the RS and it was late , local Rozzers around Le Mans not entirely happy with Rosbifs.they have all gone soft over the years. Mate drives his 991 off for jerry can fuel fills,dj dinners out,leave his mates behind and thinks nothing of shooting off to the south of france etcjackwood said:
Quite a good question in there. How many customers actually get to test drive these cars before they order and collect. Certainly at this stage of the game, none. I don’t believe there is a .2 in the country yet.
I can’t remember the last time I test drove a car before purchasing. I tend to just trust the words of real automotive journalists that I’ve followed for the last 25+ years. They are rarely wrong, at least from my experience. But then I only tend to listen to ones where their priorities align with those I’m looking for in a car.
Almost every review and podcast I’ve listened to/read/watched have asked if the winged and Touring cars have the same basic set up. i.e. spring rates and damper settings, and the answer from Porsche was equivocally yes. Of course geo settings may vary between their road and track cars, but that is something that any owner can tune to their preference. As you say, there is a lot of adjustability in these cars.
The problem is it takes me time to understand a new car, so test drives aren't that useful.I can’t remember the last time I test drove a car before purchasing. I tend to just trust the words of real automotive journalists that I’ve followed for the last 25+ years. They are rarely wrong, at least from my experience. But then I only tend to listen to ones where their priorities align with those I’m looking for in a car.
Almost every review and podcast I’ve listened to/read/watched have asked if the winged and Touring cars have the same basic set up. i.e. spring rates and damper settings, and the answer from Porsche was equivocally yes. Of course geo settings may vary between their road and track cars, but that is something that any owner can tune to their preference. As you say, there is a lot of adjustability in these cars.
Hence I tend to go on the combined opinions of the various Journo's that I trust ... and then once bought I set about adjusting the car to my liking. When I start taking the shoulders off the tyres I'll have another geo done, the advantage of the RS being that the full rage is available from standard.
Incidentally, the spring rates for the 991.2 GT3RS are substantially greater than those on the 991.1 GT3RS to accommodate Cup 2R tyres which were not an option with the .1RS ... the .2RS suspension is the same as that on the GT2RS.
jackwood said:
Decided to stick with GT Silver in the end. That does look lovely in those photos though.
Have they got at .2 GT3 at the event tonight?
No just the usual pair and Manthey guy having a chat , interesting bit about set up and critical to change a factory set up sub optimal . There was a really nice 992.2 GTS there and a lady was picking it up soon . It did look good .Have they got at .2 GT3 at the event tonight?
Turbos are fun and a big change from the Old Days , my old 993 GT2R EVO is an interesting turbo
PTSGT4 said:
Is it true, one GT3 and one Touring per OPC?
That's what I'm told.
Gonna be super rare.
That’s what my OPC told me, and showed me on their system when I was there last weekend. That's what I'm told.
Gonna be super rare.
Obviously this is just the first tranche of cars/orders. I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that these are going to be “rare”. You just have to look at how many 992.1’s they delivered towards the end of production. And how many 3RS’s are coming through this year. And how many 4RS and SRS have been delivered and still to come through.
Add to that that there are only small changes to the .2 car, and a decent price increase, and you probably won’t see the same number of current owners making the jump up to the “new” car. Meaning more customers, like me, will hopefully get an opportunity at the car they have been wanting for a few years, but been excluded, due to the “process”.
Relic said:
jackwood said:
Has anyone with a confirmed allocation had their car come up on the My Porsche app yet?
Yup been there for a month now but no build date yet.Is there a way to get the car to show up on the app at all? Is it something the dealer has to do? Or the factory? Porsche GB?
jackwood said:
Still nothing on mine. But the dealer can see the build date etc on their system for the car.
Is there a way to get the car to show up on the app at all? Is it something the dealer has to do? Or the factory? Porsche GB?
Dealer has to kicked every thing off. Is there a way to get the car to show up on the app at all? Is it something the dealer has to do? Or the factory? Porsche GB?
Have they booked your spec onto an actual build slot on the system?
TDT said:
jackwood said:
Still nothing on mine. But the dealer can see the build date etc on their system for the car.
Is there a way to get the car to show up on the app at all? Is it something the dealer has to do? Or the factory? Porsche GB?
Dealer has to kicked every thing off. Is there a way to get the car to show up on the app at all? Is it something the dealer has to do? Or the factory? Porsche GB?
Have they booked your spec onto an actual build slot on the system?
I’ll drop them a line. Thanks Tyrone
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