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n12maser said:
Fyi for your search, I don't believe you can get a 981 GTS on any other suspension than PASM or x73. So if it doesn't list PASM (and if there's no shock button on the centre console) then by default it's x73.
Totally correct - pictures can say a thousand words!One option that's hard to know if the car has or not, if it's not listed in an ad, is PTV (with the LSD). Other than that, you can pretty much work everything else out from stalks on the column, the centre console and general internal/external pictures.
n12maser said:
Thanks!
Fyi for your search, I don't believe you can get a 981 GTS on any other suspension than PASM or x73. So if it doesn't list PASM (and if there's no shock button on the centre console) then by default it's x73.
I live in London and my 993 has no parking sensors & manage ok...so I figured having 1 sensor is a nice bonus
Nice, that explains it. I can usually tell if a non-GTS has PASM or not by how low it sits and this car seems to have a nice stance.Fyi for your search, I don't believe you can get a 981 GTS on any other suspension than PASM or x73. So if it doesn't list PASM (and if there's no shock button on the centre console) then by default it's x73.
I live in London and my 993 has no parking sensors & manage ok...so I figured having 1 sensor is a nice bonus
Picked up my (981) Cayman GTS on Saturday - have only driven it a bit so far and just scratching the surface, but am very impressed. This is TDT's old car with a pretty performance-orientated spec: X73, PTV, PDK.
Having taken a punt without ever driving a Cayman before, there was a level of risk involved. But am very pleased with the purchase so far - the engine has lovely throaty noise even at lower revs, then up high with windows down it's a real banshee. It's definitely engaging when you're not going crazy speeds, which is a relief...something I was worried about coming from aircooled 911s. Think the 981 GTS has also aged very well considering it's nearly 7 years old.
It feels much more analogue than I thought it would in my head - so far have no real problem with the steering feel vs my 993....it's nice and heavy, yes it doesn't jitter around over every rut but I don't particularly miss that and it can sometimes be tiresome. Perhaps the only minor thing I notice so far is the steering doesn't load up with weight mid-corner like the 993 does, it's more neutral feeling through the bend. Maybe that's just a more general Cayman vs 911 thing? I've only ever driven 911s so this is my first experience of a mid-engine car. I also notice that it doesn't feel as adjustable on the throttle - you can throttle-steer but the way the car reacts to tucking the nose in is a bit lazier vs the 993.
PDK is also something new to me. It already feels like it really suits this car, and the way it downshifts in particular is insane. Been driving in manual mode mostly and feel there's enough engagement without a manual box - on majority of b-road road driving in the 993 I rarely got into 3rd gear, preferring to stay high in the revs in 2nd. Glad I went PDK for the lower gearing to also be able to do this as it maxes out at around 75mph in 2nd gear. So actually at say 60mph I'm higher in the rev range in 2nd gear than in the 993...not sure the long-gearing thing is a problem in PDK, maybe it never was and that was more a problem with manual Caymans. An engine that revs up to nearly 8k is also new to me...whole new world up there!
So far, so good.
Having taken a punt without ever driving a Cayman before, there was a level of risk involved. But am very pleased with the purchase so far - the engine has lovely throaty noise even at lower revs, then up high with windows down it's a real banshee. It's definitely engaging when you're not going crazy speeds, which is a relief...something I was worried about coming from aircooled 911s. Think the 981 GTS has also aged very well considering it's nearly 7 years old.
It feels much more analogue than I thought it would in my head - so far have no real problem with the steering feel vs my 993....it's nice and heavy, yes it doesn't jitter around over every rut but I don't particularly miss that and it can sometimes be tiresome. Perhaps the only minor thing I notice so far is the steering doesn't load up with weight mid-corner like the 993 does, it's more neutral feeling through the bend. Maybe that's just a more general Cayman vs 911 thing? I've only ever driven 911s so this is my first experience of a mid-engine car. I also notice that it doesn't feel as adjustable on the throttle - you can throttle-steer but the way the car reacts to tucking the nose in is a bit lazier vs the 993.
PDK is also something new to me. It already feels like it really suits this car, and the way it downshifts in particular is insane. Been driving in manual mode mostly and feel there's enough engagement without a manual box - on majority of b-road road driving in the 993 I rarely got into 3rd gear, preferring to stay high in the revs in 2nd. Glad I went PDK for the lower gearing to also be able to do this as it maxes out at around 75mph in 2nd gear. So actually at say 60mph I'm higher in the rev range in 2nd gear than in the 993...not sure the long-gearing thing is a problem in PDK, maybe it never was and that was more a problem with manual Caymans. An engine that revs up to nearly 8k is also new to me...whole new world up there!
So far, so good.
Twinfan said:
Gearing isn't a problem in either manual or PDK - 75mph vs 82(?) isn't enough of a difference for either to be substantially 'better' than the other.
Glad you're enjoying the car, they're great!
Mine changes into 3rd at 69mph, manual is without doubt more engaging but pdk is a good 10mph lower going into 3rd. If the speed was lower it's no big deal but for me 69 is already at the limit of acceptance for a fun road car.Glad you're enjoying the car, they're great!
testdrive said:
Mine changes into 3rd at 69mph, manual is without doubt more engaging but pdk is a good 10mph lower going into 3rd. If the speed was lower it's no big deal but for me 69 is already at the limit of acceptance for a fun road car.
I assume that's in auto mode as the max in gear speed in 3rd will be 100mph-ish at a guess.You can short-shift using a manual gearbox too
testdrive said:
Mine changes into 3rd at 69mph, manual is without doubt more engaging but pdk is a good 10mph lower going into 3rd. If the speed was lower it's no big deal but for me 69 is already at the limit of acceptance for a fun road car.
so you change up into 3rd @ 69mph and then what? brake? keep the speed at a constant 69mph?testdrive said:
No need to shoot me down for providing facts, 7500 rpm = 69mph it's a quite a bit higher in a manual car, that's the disappointing truth.
It's also true that you can change gear at 60mph in either but you'll be further along the road with the pdk car.
That's second gear then, not third?It's also true that you can change gear at 60mph in either but you'll be further along the road with the pdk car.
I need to dig out the manual/PDK speed differences...
Twinfan said:
That's second gear then, not third?
I need to dig out the manual/PDK speed differences...
It's as I said originally I find the redline at 69 as I change into 3rd. Top end of 3rd is around 100 mph.I need to dig out the manual/PDK speed differences...
No need as I advised you are about 10mph higher at 7500 in a manual 3.4l 981. I've driven many, love a manual but those are the facts (sadly)!
testdrive said:
It's as I said originally I find the redline at 69 as I change into 3rd. Top end of 3rd is around 100 mph.
No need as I advised you are about 10mph higher at 7500 in a manual 3.4l 981. I've driven many, love a manual but those are the facts (sadly)!
Sorry - misread your post No need as I advised you are about 10mph higher at 7500 in a manual 3.4l 981. I've driven many, love a manual but those are the facts (sadly)!
I think your 69mph is a little low, the speedo will lag a bit when in motion. I think it's around 74mph for PDK and 82mph for manual.
It's been a while since I looked at this so I'd forgotten the gap was close to 10mph. Apologies.
testdrive said:
It's also true that you can change gear at 60mph in either but you'll be further along the road with the pdk car.
Not sure if that's true or not, possibly only from a standing start with launch control. It'll depend on weight and transmission losses which are both higher in a PDK car.Anyhoo, the manual and PDK debate will rage on until the end of time. Pick your poison
In my experience the difference is more than you would think, a few things help pdk, the gearing, the speed of the shift and they almost lurch forward at every change especially in sports plus.
No bad choice pdk takes something away and I prefer the sound in the manual. As you say pick your poison!
No bad choice pdk takes something away and I prefer the sound in the manual. As you say pick your poison!
Getting to grips with 981 GTS having had it a few weeks...can I just say, the way this thing grips in the corners is insane!
Only got to 0.83 lateral gforce so believe there's a way to go yet! You can feel what I think is the diff (PTV) bringing you round, towards the end of a tight corner
Only got to 0.83 lateral gforce so believe there's a way to go yet! You can feel what I think is the diff (PTV) bringing you round, towards the end of a tight corner
n12maser said:
Getting to grips with 981 GTS having had it a few weeks...can I just say, the way this thing grips in the corners is insane!
Only got to 0.83 lateral gforce so believe there's a way to go yet! You can feel what I think is the diff (PTV) bringing you round, towards the end of a tight corner
Only got to 0.83 lateral gforce so believe there's a way to go yet! You can feel what I think is the diff (PTV) bringing you round, towards the end of a tight corner
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