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fridaypassion said:
ajondyh said:
'm sorry but your fighting a losing battle and with lame reasoning! However your comments continue to amuse me, especially the "No tangible difference" ones 
If you can't sense the difference in handling of anti roll bars (Or even adjusting an anti roll bar)your not trying hard enough
But in any case it's not just about 1 thing it's the whole package which makes it such a good drivers car, but if you aint a driver you won't appreciate it 
I'm the only one offering completely unbiased opinion on here. No axe to grind. Own a tack car with all the bells and whistles on it thats got adjustable everything and blah blah and I have more then enough experience to set it up too. Drives round Caymans of any description. If you can't sense the difference in handling of anti roll bars (Or even adjusting an anti roll bar)your not trying hard enough
But in any case it's not just about 1 thing it's the whole package which makes it such a good drivers car, but if you aint a driver you won't appreciate it As I say come and see me at my place in Yorkshire. Drive my S and swear on the life of your firstborn that its not better than your R and I'll give you £1000 its really that simple. You guys have 10-15k more invested in one letter on the back of the car so I wouldnt expect anything other that a fight
If you have missed earlier in the thread I have owned and run an R and reached my own conclusions.....
Also my S is not tuned it's completely standard just very well specced. My point is that you could make something better for dedicated road or dedicated track use from a more basic S.
Also my S is not tuned it's completely standard just very well specced. My point is that you could make something better for dedicated road or dedicated track use from a more basic S.
Edited by fridaypassion on Tuesday 8th March 23:05
fridaypassion said:
If you have missed earlier in the thread I have owned and run an R and reached my own conclusions.....
I'm not saying you have no experience of an R. I'm saying you can't be completely unbiased as an owner of a tuned S, talking about your perceived benefits of a tuned S over an R. I mean you'd have to be nuts to be saying that an R was better and yet you still chose to go down the tuned S route, no?fridaypassion said:
I'm the only one offering completely unbiased opinion on here. No axe to grind. Own a tack car with all the bells and whistles on it thats got adjustable everything and blah blah and I have more then enough experience to set it up too. Drives round Caymans of any description.
As I say come and see me at my place in Yorkshire. Drive my S and swear on the life of your firstborn that its not better than your R and I'll give you £1000 its really that simple. You guys have 10-15k more invested in one letter on the back of the car so I wouldnt expect anything other that a fight
You are so ridiculously wide of the mark on so many levels I really can't be bothered even replying any more let alone drive to Yorkshire As I say come and see me at my place in Yorkshire. Drive my S and swear on the life of your firstborn that its not better than your R and I'll give you £1000 its really that simple. You guys have 10-15k more invested in one letter on the back of the car so I wouldnt expect anything other that a fight
"I bought a car tarted up to look like an R. But it's better than an R, coz the R is crap, innit." Most insecure series of posts that I have seen for a while. You like your replica R. Good for you. Others like the R itself.
As for all the blah about LSDs on these cars, the OEM unit is barely functional and wears out almost immediately if used. It is telling that nobody notices the difference when it does wear out. It is because Porsches at this kind of power level see no practical benefit from an LSD, at least not on the road; and you would have to be a pretty fast track driver to see a benefit on the track.
As for all the blah about LSDs on these cars, the OEM unit is barely functional and wears out almost immediately if used. It is telling that nobody notices the difference when it does wear out. It is because Porsches at this kind of power level see no practical benefit from an LSD, at least not on the road; and you would have to be a pretty fast track driver to see a benefit on the track.
edc said:
Isn't the point that if you think an R is the ultimate car then in some sense poor you, but just buy an R, be done with it don't mod it just drive it. If actually what you want is an R+ then start with an S.
the thing is you got a LOT of free stuff on the R so the R is a better starting point if the prices are Normal ie circa £40k like they have been, esp if people are asking £40k for an S ! open up the gap to R's at £50k and yes start with an S if you can get a nice one for £32k ish.Buckets and Spyder wheels to start are free on the R that's £13k retail to buy just as an example if you want oem look and feel. (you wont find 2nd hand ones)
Now if an S has these then it's a good start, but very few have both although a lot have black pack and spyder wheels as Porsche made it an option on later cars.
The R sus makes the car what it is though, and yes while you can buy some £4k set up for the S the R's work like a dream on the Road for fun over the crap PASM (because yes it is crap) too soft off too hard on.
you would have to be dead to not know driving a R over driving an S with PASM. SO I would love to do a test and claim £1k ;-)
but again you can ADD the R shocks and springs with the harder ARB for about £1.5k if you want what makes the R the R !!! that ride ! :-) it's very cheap to give the S the R ride.
about the only thing than you get on the R is alloy doors which save 15kg which is not worth changing on the S.
they are both great cars out the box The R has always been the better buy as they dropped to mid £35k so the S to R gap was small, even at £43k I would go R over an S at £35k, but that's when R>£43k start to look expensive and you may as well just spend £1.5k on a shock/spring ARB R set up on the S.
the best value car to buy atm is the Back ED coupe loads of nice bits, the R remap etc so a great starting point if you are ok owning a black car.
there is a viper green normal S which looks like an R it's the press car that was a nice buy when it came up for sale mid 30's inc aero pack.
And last owning the R does make you feel good inside, it's a rare car at the end of the day and will always be an R esp in the right colour of Peridot :-) THE R colour to have :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th March 10:34
My car is yes. What do you mean by stock? No spec? Or unmodified? My argument is for a well specced S. Evidently we are in silly mode here now. Like trying to debunk scientology with Tom cruise
As for the asking price on mine it ain't for sale. I've knocked back an offer of 40k for it last week. It's worth more than that to me.
As for the asking price on mine it ain't for sale. I've knocked back an offer of 40k for it last week. It's worth more than that to me.
fridaypassion said:
Yes I was offered that car and would have jumped on it but... no Chrono. On a pdk? It's an ex experience car as well. If I'd had it I would have disclosed that but it would appear some traders don't. Luckily the very day after the chap rang me I got the call to buy the unicorn back.
All Porsches I've had so far were made before Chrono was invented. So for my information, what effect does Chrono have on the PDK and what would I be missing without it? Apart from the clock on the dash of course! 
fridaypassion said:
Sport button. Not essential on a manual but the shifts are better judged on sport on the PDK. Sport plus gives harder shifts and launch control.
Thanks.So I presume the R has Chrono as standard but needed to be specced as an option on an S. Not interested in the launch stuff but I guess the sport plus will be useful for the track sessions. Should be quite interesting trying to work out what to turn off and what to turn on before going on the track after previously only having to belt up and go.
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