Cayman R Chat

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bigmowley

1,440 posts

158 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Don’t forget deletion of the cowl over the instruments. Annoys me every time I get a reflection in the screen at night. rolleyes
That and probably another 50 little modifications that are very hard to spot. It’s the Porsche way after all.

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Andyoz said:
The R is still good value within the madness that is Porsche prices now.
I think you mean the Gen 2 3.4 S Cayman is still good value Andy ... ?

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Tuesday 20th September
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AAAndy said:
Jim1556 said:
From EVO's review - standard upgrades in bold...

EVO said:
The R is 55kg lighter than an S. How? Slimline 19-inch wheels (from the Boxster Spyder), light aluminium door skins (a la 911 turbo), lighter sports bucket seats and 15kg is saved from the removal of the hi-fi and air-con though some opted to add them back at zero cost.

An extra 9bhp has been liberated from the 3.4-litre six-cylinder engine thanks to a new exhaust manifold and ECU program. Maximum power is now rated at 325bhp at 7400rpm and a LSD is standard.

Porsche's PASM is not fitted and the car is 20mm lower than the Cayman S thanks to shorter and stiffer springs.

A fixed rear spoiler (reducing lift by 40%) and a revised front splitter (-15% lift) is fitted, and of course the all-important PORSCHE lettering on the side that knocks a second (at least) off the 0-60mph time...
Great cars, want one, bought a bigger house instead... cry
I thought the doors were from the GT3, not the turbo? Seems not...

Potentially thelighter weight doors are the same on turbo and GT3, but the R had the door cards from the GT3 without the pockets.

In addition to the above the believe that the ARB's are also different.

Does anyone know if the traction control programme in sports plus is any different? Was there any reduction in sound deadening?

And for some of us, on top of the driving experience the Peridot Green colour option really makes it stand out visually.
Yes, door cards are simpler type than the S (no lower carpet, light, etc). All these little things just add up and if you want to keep the car pretty stock are worth the delta over an S if you get one with buckets. If you want a mod platform, the S probably makes more sense.

julian987R

4,530 posts

41 months

Tuesday 20th September
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AndyP74 said:
Much as I hate writing these words, it's the right thing to do. I'm selling my Cayman R due to time being swallowed up by children and a job that requires a large chunk of travel.

It's Peridot, manual, sports exhaust, sport chrono, carbon buckets, full OPC service history (the last one in June of this year), just under 14k miles, black wheels.

Anyone on here interested before I start advertising in the usual places?

Edited by AndyP74 on Saturday 3rd September 20:41
Did you sell it as user B21ONY on this thread is looking for what you have for sale..
https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/2742-tidy-98...

GT03

2,301 posts

162 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Good source here, table below:

Item S Option Change
Front and rear aerokit Option
Limited slip differential Option
Performance exhaust & ECU R only +10bhp
Retuned springs/dampers/ARBs R only -20mm
Aluminum doors and lightweight door panels R only -15kg
Air conditioning delete R only -12kg
Carbon fibre bucket seats Option -12kg
'Other' weight savings R only -7kg
19" lightweight forged BBS wheels R only -5kg
Radio and speakers delete R only -3kg
Removal of storage compartments R only -1kg

ChrisW.

4,655 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st September
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So now to the question, what would it cost to add these things to an 987 Gen2 S ??

The R was a special car ... but agreed Slippy not the 650Kg ? lightweight of the 911R ...

It's interesting that the first GT3RSR was called the GT3R in 1999 ... until 2004 when it went sequential gearbox and then with the logical RSR nomenclature.

The R / Clubsport / RS / RSR / Touring / Lightweight / GT / GTS / NGT ? ..... ? market segmentations have always been blurred ....

Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 21st September 08:32

freedman

4,777 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st September
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GT03 said:
Good source here, table below:

Item S Option Change


Removal of storage compartments R only -1kg
From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35

PaulD86

1,486 posts

108 months

Wednesday 21st September
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freedman said:
GT03 said:
Good source here, table below:

Item S Option Change


Removal of storage compartments R only -1kg
From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them
On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.

frayz

2,572 posts

141 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Came up in my memories today, worth reposting.


Gibbo205

2,974 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Andyoz said:
I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35
Some people understand that exclusivity and rarity cost more, if you get this you buy the Cayman R. If you don't get this you complain how expensive the R is and suggest to everyone to mod a Cayman S.

Depends what camp you sit in, but I'd take a 40k R over a 25k S every day of the week, I enjoy the limited edition and the fact it was factory built and not some guys modding experiment in his shed.

freedman

4,777 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st September
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PaulD86 said:
On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.
Ah, ok, thank you

AAAndy

684 posts

234 months

Wednesday 21st September
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PaulD86 said:
freedman said:
GT03 said:
Good source here, table below:

Item S Option Change


Removal of storage compartments R only -1kg
From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them
On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.
Removal of cup holders - that mechanism taken out of the dash would contribute to this. (this was another no cost option to add back in)

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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All the R's had the fancy steering wheel and color coded centre console that lots of S's didn't get specified (at least the ones I have been in)

Anyway, I don't own an R anymore smile

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 12:12

PaulD86

1,486 posts

108 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Gibbo205 said:
Andyoz said:
I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35
Some people understand that exclusivity and rarity cost more, if you get this you buy the Cayman R. If you don't get this you complain how expensive the R is and suggest to everyone to mod a Cayman S.

Depends what camp you sit in, but I'd take a 40k R over a 25k S every day of the week, I enjoy the limited edition and the fact it was factory built and not some guys modding experiment in his shed.
Exactly. This reminds me of my last quick car. It was a Litchfield Type 20 Impreza and the Scooby forums were overflowing with opinions on these. People loved to say how X suspension on a standard STI would be better, or Y mapping on something else was better, or you would be btter with this or that and I couldn't have carerd less. I bought a car which was developed by people who knew what they were doing and which was very effective at getting down B roads at spectacularly antisocial pace. And when I sold it, I didn't lose much. This is the same with the R really. I'm very sure you could make a better S for less, and I don't give a monkeys. The R package works, and works well. "Total handling excellence", according to EVO magazine. That's good enough for me.

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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The owner of this track rat S is being optimistic IMO.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208138...

Slippydiff

13,803 posts

205 months

Wednesday 21st September
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PaulD86 said:
Exactly. This reminds me of my last quick car. It was a Litchfield Type 20 Impreza and the Scooby forums were overflowing with opinions on these. People loved to say how X suspension on a standard STI would be better, or Y mapping on something else was better, or you would be btter with this or that and I couldn't have carerd less. I bought a car which was developed by people who knew what they were doing and which was very effective at getting down B roads at spectacularly antisocial pace. And when I sold it, I didn't lose much. This is the same with the R really. I'm very sure you could make a better S for less, and I don't give a monkeys. The R package works, and works well. "Total handling excellence", according to EVO magazine. That's good enough for me.
All true, but ... my brief dalliance with a nicely specced 987 3.4 S that I owned last summer indicated the lesser car really didn’t need much in the way of modifications, such is the excellence of 987 Cayman’s chassis package out of the box.

Quite frankly a slightly bigger bore exhaust and revised mapping along with a pair of aluminium doors and seats that proved to be amongst the most uncomfortable I’ve ever sat in, weren’t worth the delta over and above an S to me.

I guess if you buy into the Porsche Kool-aid with regards to the R’s reduced weight, you’d see some benefit in the concept, but for me, as I said earlier in this thread, the stand out components of the R, were it’s springs and dampers, but I wouldn’t pay £15K for the privilege of having them, when you could buy them off Porsche and fit them yourself, or fit a set of KW’s that would give you better dampers AND some adjustability both in ride height/corner weight and damping.

The Spyder wheels are a nice wheel, but a scant 200g lighter per set (than the 1/2 narrower fronts) Carrera S II items, again, not worth the price delta.

Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.

The Porsche marketing dept, is without a doubt amongst the best in the world ...



Gibbo205

2,974 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Slippydiff said:
All true, but ... my brief dalliance with a nicely specced 987 3.4 S that I owned last summer indicated the lesser car really didn’t need much in the way of modifications, such is the excellence of 987 Cayman’s chassis package out of the box.

Quite frankly a slightly bigger bore exhaust and revised mapping along with a pair of aluminium doors and seats that proved to be amongst the most uncomfortable I’ve ever sat in, weren’t worth the delta over and above an S to me.

I guess if you buy into the Porsche Kool-aid with regards to the R’s reduced weight, you’d see some benefit in the concept, but for me, as I said earlier in this thread, the stand out components of the R, were it’s springs and dampers, but I wouldn’t pay £15K for the privilege of having them, when you could buy them off Porsche and fit them yourself, or fit a set of KW’s that would give you better dampers AND some adjustability both in ride height/corner weight and damping.

The Spyder wheels are a nice wheel, but a scant 200g lighter per set (than the 1/2 narrower fronts) Carrera S II items, again, not worth the price delta.

Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.

The Porsche marketing dept, is without a doubt amongst the best in the world ...
Your still missing the key point, people buy the R over the S because they want the rarity and exclusivity, the pinnacle of the 987 range. For the punters who want that, the R is the only answer, yet others like yourself will be more than happy to buy an S and mod it.

Different things for different folks, neither is right or wrong but an R will always be worth more than a modded S, all day every day.

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Slippydiff said:
Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.
Ah yes, but what about the aluminium doors AND a lightweight battery smilesmile

Did they ever fit those doors to a 997 GTS...only the GT3 and Turbo got them right?

Andyoz

2,658 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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PaulD86 said:
On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.
They also deleted the little light at bottom of the door that's useless anyway. I spent some time laying underneath my door card when changing the window regulator and thought that was a nice touch.