Cayman R Chat

[PaulD86]

Porsche911R said:

PaulD86 said:

Well, this may be a controversial post from me. Let's see.

I have always loved the handling of my R but at times I've felt the front could be more keen to turn in and to resist understeer on longer corners where you want to get on the early. There is a video of a car jounro on one of the Silverstone handling tracks in a 987 S and an R and what he talks about is what I have felt - like the diff wants to try and introduce a bit of push at the front end.

I have had the geo done a couple of times - OPC have done it and a local specialist. To be totally honest neither time was there a big change in how the car felt. Unfortunately there isn't a big choice of specialists for this sort of work local to me, which doesn't help.

Anyway, after reading various things about what others have done with their Rs, I decided I was going to fit 5mm spacer to the front of the car. They were not expensive and an easy DIY job, so I thought I'd give it a go. I didn't expect a big improvement as the track change was relatively modest.

I've now had the car on 3, let's say "spirited", runs. I can't believe the effect they have had. The car just feels more eager to turn and if you get on the throttle a bit early it doesn't try to understeer. It was a cheap experiment but I'm very pleased with the results, especially when I didn't expect to be able to perceive much of a difference.

I'm sure I should have had geo done after fitting them, and in time I will. But even doing nothing else I can feel a good improvement and I'm very happy. The car feels more as I want it now and better than ever to drive. So I'm a happy boy.

Now planning what I do next. Maybe wheels refurbed and colour changed. We'll see.

I have told people to fit 10mm spacers on the front only for 5 years, so 20mm wider front track.

also doing so does not need a geo, the issue is people fit rear 15mm spacers for looks which ruins the effects.

-1.5 camber and 20mm wider front track is a must have 987 tweak.

I act run -2.2 camber and 28mm more front track, 10 mm more rear which give me a net 18mm front track difference but better an overfull full track.

So essentially what I've done is just over 50% of the relative track increase you've made, albeit you've widened both ends.

Wider and both front and rear is certainly something I'd consider but it can be nice to make small changes and get the feel for the effect things have I think.

Can you remind me the max neg camber you can get on the R without modding parts or swapping them? I am sure I knew at one time but can't remember. I'll have to dig out the last geo I had done and see what it was set at...

I knew if I fitted rears I'd need to go even wider on the front or the two would cancel. I also wanted to see if visually the difference would be noticeable. You do see the difference with the 5s on but it is subtle (although still more obvious than I'd have guessed at.

[Porsche911R]

PaulD86 said:

So essentially what I've done is just over 50% of the relative track increase you've made, albeit you've widened both ends.

Wider and both front and rear is certainly something I'd consider but it can be nice to make small changes and get the feel for the effect things have I think.

Can you remind me the max neg camber you can get on the R without modding parts or swapping them? I am sure I knew at one time but can't remember. I'll have to dig out the last geo I had done and see what it was set at...

I knew if I fitted rears I'd need to go even wider on the front or the two would cancel. I also wanted to see if visually the difference would be noticeable. You do see the difference with the 5s on but it is subtle (although still more obvious than I'd have guessed at.

-1.5 is max no parts on a good day.

you could move the 5mm to the rear and add 10mm to the front. also looks better as well, if you are happy with turn in now.

[PaulD86]

Porsche911R said:

-1.5 is max no parts on a good day.

you could move the 5mm to the rear and add 10mm to the front. also looks better as well, if you are happy with turn in now.

From memory mine is around - 1.2 but I'd have to check.

I think I'll leave it for now and see if I'm happy with it. Maybe experiment more in the future. I've lots of little things I'd like to do with it but the costs add up quickly. I did add the GT3 brake ducts though which for £6 is an OK mod - even if they don't do much it's cheap as mods come really.

[frayz]

PaulD86 said:

From memory mine is around - 1.2 but I'd have to check.

I think I'll leave it for now and see if I'm happy with it. Maybe experiment more in the future. I've lots of little things I'd like to do with it but the costs add up quickly. I did add the GT3 brake ducts though which for £6 is an OK mod - even if they don't do much it's cheap as mods come really.

As we've spoken previously Paul, i cant recommend the RSS tarmac series lower arms enough.
They really up the response from the front end. Alternatively the OEM GT3 arms fit too.

Think my last geo was around 2.2 up front and about 1.5 at the rear

[CaimanR]

brake2hard said:

This is my Cayman. To answer your query the 'box' is a control unit for the exhaust. It's operated by remote fob with 4 programmable buttons. The re-map only enhanced the driving experience. I'm in my late 60's and have treated the car to a fair bit of tlc. It is not being used as often as it should and its wasted on me now.

It looks a lovely example, although I was shocked to see cup holders!

It's sad though that you think at late 60s you should no longer own such a car; I am not much younger but use my R at every opportunity and fully intend to keep it for as long as I am capable of driving. Meanwhile, I have a 27 year old son who can't wait for that to happen!

My 29 year old son bought my first Cayman off me, when I got the R. That is an immaculate base 987.1 with only 17,000 on the clock. I was only the second owner, having bought it from a 91 year old!

He had traded it in for a 996 Turbo!!!!

So at "late 60s" you have many, many years to go!

[lukeyboyuk]

Could anyone here recommend a car cover? I don't particular fancy shelling out 300 quid for one, is there are more reasonable priced ones anyone uses? May seem like a silly question, but if I was to drive the car and get it a bit dirty, is it OK to cover the car to prevent it getting worse or should you always give it a proper clean before covering?

[MrVert]

I'd say the general advice would to be defo clean before covering, any bits of debris will end up getting buffeted about with the cover and could cause light damage.

[frayz]

lukeyboyuk said:

Could anyone here recommend a car cover? I don't particular fancy shelling out 300 quid for one, is there are more reasonable priced ones anyone uses? May seem like a silly question, but if I was to drive the car and get it a bit dirty, is it OK to cover the car to prevent it getting worse or should you always give it a proper clean before covering?

I have a Classic Additions semi fitted cover on my Cayman R and it’s superb quality, soft inside and out and providing it is only ever put on a perfectly clean car, should be absolutely fine.

[deltamikealpha]

Has anyone changed the headunit in these? (I know, F6 symphony, but that doesn't work if you're on the motorway going to a place to have fun)

My car only has a CDR30, no BOSE/SPP which looks as though someone thought it was a touchscreen, and obviously has no bluetooth audio either. The gain on the AUX in is awful and I can barely hear music.

Bought a Pioneer unit to stick in it along with a Connects2 CTSPO002.2 CANBUS adapter but I'm getting no ignition from the CANBUS adapter.

Said adapter is listed as being for a Cayenne with a CDR30 - but another manufacturer shows their equivalent as being working for the Cayman too -- so I can't believe there's a difference here, but who knows.

If anyone can point me in the right direction..

[frayz]

Finally got around to getting a plate for the R. Just got to save up for the correct car now.

[PaulD86]

Remind me which exhaust that is?

[FTW]

Lovely tips

[frayz]

Remus Titanium

aka "brap cannon"

[PaulD86]

Cheers bud, looks awesome. The exhaust tips on mine are not in a good state. Not sure how easy they are to remove but if it isn't too much of a ballache I may take them off for a proper deep clean. And once the warranty is up I may even change them, or indeed the whole exhaust.

[frayz]

PaulD86 said:

Cheers bud, looks awesome. The exhaust tips on mine are not in a good state. Not sure how easy they are to remove but if it isn't too much of a ballache I may take them off for a proper deep clean. And once the warranty is up I may even change them, or indeed the whole exhaust.

If you go down the "tips" route, Mogsmex has the carbon fibre Fabspeeds on his.
I wasn't convinced when he first mentioned he had ordered them, but they look the business in the metal. Not too large and really suit the car.

Edited by frayz on Thursday 1st August 10:30

[Porsche911R]

I bought these for my R then sold it, as new unfitted, will do a deal.

[frayz]

Anyone know of any deals on some new Cup2s going at the moment? Mine are on their way out for road use.

Black Circles is the best I've found so far:

235-35-19 = £198.95
265-35-19 = £262.09

Making a set of 4 £933.58 inc £11:50 delivery.

Worth asking

[Porsche911R]

frayz said:

Anyone know of any deals on some new Cup2s going at the moment? Mine are on their way out for road use.

Black Circles is the best I've found so far:

235-35-19 = £198.95
265-35-19 = £262.09

Making a set of 4 £933.58 inc £11:50 delivery.

Worth asking

Black Circles are owned by Mitchlin, you won't find cheaper imo.

my contacts cannot even buy the tyres for what black circles sells them for.

[frayz]

I was guessing as much.
Early in the year there was some deals to be had but I wasn’t ready to buy at the time.
Chap I know owns a tyre shop and has quoted £979 fitted.
Which at least gives me peace of mind regarding having them fitted properly.

[FTW]

frayz said:

Anyone know of any deals on some new Cup2s going at the moment? Mine are on their way out for road use.

Black Circles is the best I've found so far:

235-35-19 = £198.95
265-35-19 = £262.09

Making a set of 4 £933.58 inc £11:50 delivery.

Worth asking

Camskills

I got N0 Cup2s 234-35-19 from Camskill for £192 each two months ago. I think the rears are more dear though....