Cayman R Chat

[hutch2196]

Just wondering what the view is on Rs that are retrospectively upgraded with the 'right' spec? Is it essential for residuals to maintain the OEM purchased spec, or could you, say, fit buckets or spyder wheels at the point of sale and, as a consequence, cover your investment with a higher selling price? Seems to me it's almost cost neutral to do so.

[Dan911]

I've seen Spyder wheels at £2.5k and buckets at £4k, second had but it's not often they come up for sale.

I guess to try and buy the car right from the start?

Sub 20,000 miles car with - buckets, spyders, manual, PSE, Climate and chrono, in the right colour(s) -

OPC - £47-50k

Private with warranty - £43-£47k

IMO.

More toys like, Xenons, sound pack, nav, extended leather etc... Make the car more desirable not necessarily worth much more.

[tracydeedance]

Iam sure everyone wants different things from an R but for me mines spot on
Man box buckets black Spyder wheels Chrono PSE A/C Alacantara bits couple other odds and ends perfect for my needs weekend and touring car milage circa 12 k now.
Seems to be a good spec for me.

[Porsche911R]

Dan911 said:

I've seen Spyder wheels at £2.5k and buckets at £4k, second had but it's not often they come up for sale.

I guess to try and buy the car right from the start?

Sub 20,000 miles car with - buckets, spyders, manual, PSE, Climate and chrono, in the right colour(s) -

OPC - £47-50k

Private with warranty - £43-£47k

IMO.

More toys like, Xenons, sound pack, nav, extended leather etc... Make the car more desirable not necessarily worth much more.

Leicester last week was 7k miles and RRP of 45,850 I was offred it for £43,850 and it had ALL the nice bits + xenons and leather and was a dry use car, ie like new.

this new OPC price rises is all due to the R name and the 911R imo.

As I said the car listed now seems a better buy from JZM if you want, buckets and PCCBs and manual. you can fit x73 for very little outlay.

[Dan911]

tracydeedance said:

Iam sure everyone wants different things from an R but for me mines spot on
Man box buckets black Spyder wheels Chrono PSE A/C Alacantara bits couple other odds and ends perfect for my needs weekend and touring car milage circa 12 k now.
Seems to be a good spec for me.

We are all different.. Mine

White, Manual, Buckets, PSE, Spyder alloys, Sports Chrono, Xenons, no rear wiper, iPod interface, red seat belts (might be standard?), Climate control and 13,500 miles. And OPC warranty.

Just fitted Leather panels next to the radio, getting steering wheel and gear knob done in alacantara and have GT3 master cylinder and Pagid Blues to get fitted by 9E.

She is only a weekend toy but I wouldn't change her for a 981 apart from a GT4. As said many times, no feel in the steering, not an event to drive and in no way as light and nimble (and fun) to drive.

[ajondyh]

Porsche911R said:

the issue with £50k is cars like this and the spec this car has for the same money.
http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/cayman/...

a 981 with buckets, PCCB, manual for £47k

or a 5 year old Cayman R, I have been looking for one but think £40/43k with 2 years OPC warranty is the right money but sub 10k miles and full spec.
Like the lei OPC car with every thing, 1 owner 7k miles, 2 years warranty they offered me at £43 last week, but I uummmmm to long and a day later it was sold.

Hard to part with £50k for a 30k miles 5 year old one, for me anyway even though the R is one of, if not the best cars I have owned.

But it still aint a Cayman R by name or driveability

[ZP]

I'd wager that if a certain someone still had his R, they'd all be underpriced at less than £50k....

[BubblesNW]

ZP said:

I'd wager that if a certain someone still had his R, they'd all be underpriced at less than £50k....

Would that be the same person who suggested a standard 981 Cayman as an alternative, even though he ripped into them as having lifeless steering and terribly long gearing when he had an R?

[ZP]

BubblesNW said:

Would that be the same person who suggested a standard 981 Cayman as an alternative, even though he ripped into them as having lifeless steering and terribly long gearing when he had an R?

I couldn't possibly say... ;-)

[jayxx83]

Thing about an r with sports seats and pdk and ac doesn't that add back 65kg and in turn make the suspension not specifically tuned for the original intended curb weight. I know a lot of people talk about losing weight etc but those sub 70 kg guys you can feel the difference even 10-15 kg makes on things like turn in.

I think these things are best left raw for the experience as manufacturer intended.

[fridaypassion]

boxsey said:

+1 OPCs are trying it on at the moment by uplifting the price of any of the Rs they have in stock. My guess is that they're doing this on the back of the 'overs' some are paying for a GT4. I too have £40/£43K for the right car and don't even want a low miler. And agree that a private sale has to be a little lower than a main dealer.

I've already been thinking that I might just settle for a nicely specced 987S (PDK, sports seats and paddles) and save a load of cash to spend on petrol.

This is what I would do and indeed have done. Had I not been extremely fortunate to buy the unicorn S back recently I was planning on getting a PDK S and pulling as uch out of it as possible and making something up with Corbeau buckets, Quaife diff etc.

Knowing what I know now having owned an R I think you could create something far superior it just wouldnt have the badge on the back or the exclusivity. I would value my S way above the equivalent R and I'm sure bubblesNW (previous owner) would agree. Its a sensational car.

[Dan911]

You'd rather the S and spend money on it than an R.

Wow, each to there own.

I'll stick to the R thanks. The out the factory ready nimble little car that is a rare sight and will keep its money.

Anyway moving on...

Not seeing many Peridot cars coming to the market?

[Porsche911R]

BubblesNW said:

Would that be the same person who suggested a standard 981 Cayman as an alternative, even though he ripped into them as having lifeless steering and terribly long gearing when he had an R?

I said the R was "if not the best cars I have owned."

For other people who say I talk bullst about steering feel and the new cars are better in every way, I am sure the link to that 981 at £47k will make those types of people think twice about an R at £50k
Jump to the 981 SPyder forum and the 981 IS again better in every way from all the posters and I talk st as normal ! odd it's the same posters here now saying other wise !

You guys crack me up.

When I talk about how great the R is every one shoots me down and says the 981 is better in every way lol when I point out a nice manual spec 981 with buckets and PCCB's it's st lol


And the R is in fact that great car I have been talking about for over 3 years !

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 8th March 08:23

[fridaypassion]

Dan911 said:

You'd rather the S and spend money on it than an R.

Wow, each to there own.

I'll stick to the R thanks. The out the factory ready nimble little car that is a rare sight and will keep its money.

Anyway moving on...

Not seeing many Peridot cars coming to the market?

If you drive my S and swear on your mother's life that the R is better I will give you £1000.

The R is not a holy grail of handling or anything else. It's a marketing special and it's time the bullst stopped! It's a very desirable car but only IMO due to its rarity and chances of getting a better spec car. Mine was sold to get a better spec S. My new one is vastly better than the R it replaced. Ask bubblesNW

I've no corner to defend or axe to grind here. I had one. It was good. Replaced it with a better spec car. Maybe the S will be replaced with a 981? I'll have to have a go in one but if it's better it's better and I'll drive it rather than defend my incorrect choice on a forum

[Phooey]

CR is st

[BubblesNW]

Porsche911R said:

BubblesNW said:

Would that be the same person who suggested a standard 981 Cayman as an alternative, even though he ripped into them as having lifeless steering and terribly long gearing when he had an R?

I said the R was "if not the best cars I have owned."

For other people who say I talk bullst about steering feel and the new cars are better in every way, I am sure the link to that 981 at £47k will make those types of people think twice about an R at £50k
Jump to the 981 SPyder forum and the 981 IS again better in every way from all the posters and I talk st as normal ! odd it's the same posters here now saying other wise !

You guys crack me up.

When I talk about how great the R is every one shoots me down and says the 981 is better in every way lol when I point out a nice manual spec 981 with buckets and PCCB's it's st lol


And the R is in fact that great car I have been talking about for over 3 years !

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 8th March 08:23

[Dan911]

fridaypassion said:

If you drive my S and swear on your mother's life that the R is better I will give you £1000.

I'm good thanks. And I can see you wanting to defend your car as anyone would.

My statement was 'some people' would rather spend money spec'ing an S rather than buy an R. Not me, in the real word it is still an S with nice spec and not an R (which as people have said is rarer and will hold its money better)

Sometimes nice options on cars make the car more desirable, not always worth anymore.

Again, moving on...

[Porsche911R]

BubblesNW said:

!!!!!

I am happy with what I say on here 100% all I see is others saying one thing on the Spyder thread and another thing on here, I find it funny what people will post.
When I say it how it is.

[boxsey]

fridaypassion said:

This is what I would do and indeed have done. Had I not been extremely fortunate to buy the unicorn S back recently I was planning on getting a PDK S and pulling as uch out of it as possible and making something up with Corbeau buckets, Quaife diff etc.

Knowing what I know now having owned an R I think you could create something far superior it just wouldnt have the badge on the back or the exclusivity. I would value my S way above the equivalent R and I'm sure bubblesNW (previous owner) would agree. Its a sensational car.

I understand what you're saying and have actually been round Oulton Park in your car when Darren owned it but for me, the R is still the one I want. I may go for an S if I can't find an R only because it will save a fair wedge. I got close to buying an S a few days ago. It was a rare and cracking spec for an S as you will see from the original ad:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

..and all for £31.5k! It sold so fast (advert up Thursday night and sold by Friday morning) that I suspect we may see advertised again soon by a trader for significantly more.

[edc]

Modified to be near or better than OE spec or top spec top model OE is just a preference.

Take the value arguments out of the equation and just drive the cars for what they are then it's just a matter of personal taste. In some cases paying more for an R will work out but in others chucking money at a more 'modest' car can also work. I go for the latter approach myself as resale value, depreciation, cache of a 'rare' car are not important factors for me.