991 Turbo S gen 1 or 2?

[Zanderman]

Hi all,

I think it is finally time to stop lying to myself and scratch the Turbo S itch!! I wanted to get some thoughts on the different between the gen 1 and 2.

My thoughts are that if I am finally going to pull the trigger on such an expensive purchase (will be my biggest to date!) I might as well bite the bullet and go for the latest and greatest. That said if it isn’t really worth it I don’t mind saving 20-30k.

Thoughts appreciated especially from anyone that has had either or both.

Thanks all!!

[arcamalpha]

The turbos spin up much faster in the 991.2 and rear wheel steer is really good too. Do you plan on keeping it a while? If so I'd go 991.2 but if it's a 1 year car you might get a better deal on a 991.1.

They are quite spec sensitive. Many have (in my view) awful combinations of bright red seats etc and the more conservatively specced cars get the best prices.

[Zanderman]

Really don’t want a black/silver/white car. Really enjoying more colourful cars lately. Will probably keep it for 2 years.

Had a look at this over weekend and loved the colour!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

arcamalpha said:

The turbos spin up much faster in the 991.2 and rear wheel steer is really good too. Do you plan on keeping it a while? If so I'd go 991.2 but if it's a 1 year car you might get a better deal on a 991.1.

They are quite spec sensitive. Many have (in my view) awful combinations of bright red seats etc and the more conservatively specced cars get the best prices.

[arcamalpha]

Zanderman said:

Really don’t want a black/silver/white car. Really enjoying more colourful cars lately. Will probably keep it for 2 years.

Had a look at this over weekend and loved the colour!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

arcamalpha said:

The turbos spin up much faster in the 991.2 and rear wheel steer is really good too. Do you plan on keeping it a while? If so I'd go 991.2 but if it's a 1 year car you might get a better deal on a 991.1.

They are quite spec sensitive. Many have (in my view) awful combinations of bright red seats etc and the more conservatively specced cars get the best prices.

Looks cool. Bright paint is nice I'd say. It's the bright seats and yellow dials etc that put me off.

That seems a reasonable price for the mileage and good to have the 5-lug wheels rather than stupid centre locks.

[Zanderman]

Any owners have any views?

[Over over under steer]

Putting performance aside for a second. The ICE (in car entertainment) was improved for the second gen, putting in place apple carplay and a nicer UI.

I have driven only ever driven a 996 turbo so can't speak about performance differences, sorry. Lots of talk about the EPAS getting continually better throughout the 991's lifecycle so you may find steering a bit better in the newer model, but this is not something I know first hand.

You'll be incredibly happy in either I'm sure.

[pottman]

I’ve just upgraded from 997 Turbo to 991.1 Turbo S. Considered a 991.2, but couldn’t really justify it on price and the difference in performance is negligible.

As has been said above there are some differences to the PCM, the interior and also the DRLs, but all of this didn’t really persuade me to hold out for a 991.2.

For me the question was whether a GT3 would have been a better prospect than a Turbo S and there are many out there who will go the GT3 route. In my instance the Turbo S is a more usable machine and will be ideal company for this years roads trips to Le Mans, NC500 and Route Napoleon.

Hope this helps.

[CamL]

I have a .1 and have feel no need to switch to a .2. The ICE in the .1, in my case Burmester is very good and I use Deezer which works fine. Just to correct one point above, the .1 cars do have rear wheel steer, and I would not be put off by centre-locks. I can change from winters to summers just as quickly as I could with 5 lug wheels. You just need the correct tools.

I did however pay a visit to Ken at 9e at the back end of last year and he worked his secret sauce tune with hybrid turbos and Kline exhaust/Do88 intercoolers etc. This results in over 740ps which, combined with a new DSC module, lowered springs and a geometry tweak make it the best car I have ever owned by a country mile, and it now sounds great as well. No plans to sell and can thoroughly recommend this approach

[arcamalpha]

CamL said:

I have a .1 and have feel no need to switch to a .2. The ICE in the .1, in my case Burmester is very good and I use Deezer which works fine. Just to correct one point above, the .1 cars do have rear wheel steer, and I would not be put off by centre-locks. I can change from winters to summers just as quickly as I could with 5 lug wheels. You just need the correct tools.

I did however pay a visit to Ken at 9e at the back end of last year and he worked his secret sauce tune with hybrid turbos and Kline exhaust/Do88 intercoolers etc. This results in over 740ps which, combined with a new DSC module, lowered springs and a geometry tweak make it the best car I have ever owned by a country mile, and it now sounds great as well. No plans to sell and can thoroughly recommend this approach

:-) apols didn’t know about rear wheel steer on the .1 cars.

[Zanderman]

The car I linked earlier has gone already and one thing that strikes me is a distinct lack of available stock right now and certainly not many interesting colours.

[giles panizzi]

Aberdeen!

[APOLO1]

Done over 100k Miles over 4 years in 4 x 991 Turbos including a Gen2, Track days V-Max etc.

Based on my experience, i would if you can go for the Gen 2. Like above the Gen 2 spools up a bit quicker, also it puts the power down better over the 4 wheels, you also get a bit more induction sound on the up and down shifts. The Gen 2 has slightly wider rear wheels, and whist no more quoted Bhp it does feel a bit more, it also has more TQ when sport plus is engaged. In all it feels a more sharper car.

[tuffer]

APOLO1 said:

Done over 100k Miles over 4 years in 4 x 991 Turbos including a Gen2, Track days V-Max etc.

Based on my experience, i would if you can go for the Gen 2. Like above the Gen 2 spools up a bit quicker, also it puts the power down better over the 4 wheels, you also get a bit more induction sound on the up and down shifts. The Gen 2 has slightly wider rear wheels, and whist no more quoted Bhp it does feel a bit more, it also has more TQ when sport plus is engaged. In all it feels a more sharper car.

I may be wrong but I thought Gen 1 was 560bhp and Gen 2 was 580?

[Deep]

I have the 991.1 and would reiterate what an earlier PHer said; if you only intend to own the car a year or two then buy the .1, if its a car for the next decade then go for the .2.

I'm going to buy one more Turbo S and it Will be for life. I'm 50 and so will drive it for a decade and eventually pass it down to my lazy good for nothing kids lol. Whether its a .2 or a 992 will depend on finances.

It's an awesome car, in a class of its own. It can do so many things brilliantly, you will be chuffed to bits whether you buy the .1 or .2.

Good luck!

[Zanderman]

Thanks for all the responses so far, most useful!

Does anyone know if there is much in it in terms of speed between the two? The .2 is quoted as 2.9 to 60 but has been timed regularly at around 2.6. Is that similar for the .1? (I know 0-60 times aren’t everything but just curious)

[CamL]

I have this Evo leader board clip in my favourites of the .1 car achieving 2.6 as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv8z7inZKpU

I haven't driven a .2 car but I suspect the difference is not too much. Launch control starts are quite amusing if you have a quiet place to do them, particularly if you have a few more BHP than standard

[arcamalpha]

Zanderman said:

Thanks for all the responses so far, most useful!

Does anyone know if there is much in it in terms of speed between the two? The .2 is quoted as 2.9 to 60 but has been timed regularly at around 2.6. Is that similar for the .1? (I know 0-60 times aren’t everything but just curious)

All-out speed I would say is nigh-on identical between the two. You won’t notice the 20bhp.

However, real world performance of the gen2 is better because the turbos hook up a little quicker especially when using sports+ or sport response which is a little bit like an antilag system. Still not night and day though.

[APOLO1]

Zanderman said:

Thanks for all the responses so far, most useful!

Does anyone know if there is much in it in terms of speed between the two? The .2 is quoted as 2.9 to 60 but has been timed regularly at around 2.6. Is that similar for the .1? (I know 0-60 times aren’t everything but just curious)

The actual BHP diff is 552-571.

In sport Plus mode on the Gen 1 its gives around another 15bhp, on the Gen 2, whist Sport Plus i recall gives a bit more TQ its not any more BHP. You would have to drive both back to back to pick up any difference, even then its a flick of a coin, to pick up on any. One difference i did notice immediately when i drove the Gen 2, was the way it puts the power down over the Gen 1. They did make some changes in this area in the way the TQ is placed over the 4 wheels.

The Gen 2 seems to drive a bit more like a 2WD car at times. One point worth a mention is that whilst both are great fun at V-Max type events. On track after around 20 Mins or so of fast laps the brakes over heat due to cooling. You have to come in an let them call down for around 30 Mins. Also both cars run better on Dunlop race Max. This is the only performance tyre approved for the Turbo S.

[Deep]

APOLO1 said:

The actual BHP diff is 552-571.

In sport Plus mode on the Gen 1 its gives around another 15bhp, on the Gen 2, whist Sport Plus i recall gives a bit more TQ its not any more BHP. You would have to drive both back to back to pick up any difference, even then its a flick of a coin, to pick up on any. One difference i did notice immediately when i drove the Gen 2, was the way it puts the power down over the Gen 1. They did make some changes in this area in the way the TQ is placed over the 4 wheels.

The Gen 2 seems to drive a bit more like a 2WD car at times. One point worth a mention is that whilst both are great fun at V-Max type events. On track after around 20 Mins or so of fast laps the brakes over heat due to cooling. You have to come in an let them call down for around 30 Mins. Also both cars run better on Dunlop race Max. This is the only performance tyre approved for the Turbo S.

Hi
What do you mean by the way the .2 puts its power down? Are you talking about traction or less understeer....or something else?

Cheers

[Anan2030]

I would wait 6-7 months , hence save some more money for the 992 turbo s or turbo it won't disappoint.