The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

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TDT

1,619 posts

63 months

Monday 17th June
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breadvan said:
Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more......
Agreed. Like i said ChrisW basically already built this car - but he has better brakes and suspension.
On the note.. off bed so i can be @ Donny bright and early.

Prestonese

385 posts

49 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Everything seems on point but it still has the same gearbox ratios as the 981 version.....



isaldiri

4,780 posts

112 months

Tuesday 18th June
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breadvan said:
Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more......
Quite curious. What exactly were you expecting then? And how was the gen 2 gt3 more different to the gen1 than with the gt4?

breadvan

1,370 posts

112 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Pdk and manual would’ve done for me.

Porsche911R

17,175 posts

209 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Hard to get excited with headline bhp and engine sizes when it’s put on weight and posts the same performance as the last one.

Also looks very torque limited with that flat cut off.

Nice car at the price, but not the mini GT3 every one wished for.

991.1 GTS any one, lighter, faster and with a better engine like the race car :-)

Taffy66

2,618 posts

46 months

Tuesday 18th June
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isaldiri said:
The exact ruling re options is a bit vague but iirc it's supposed to be 'representative'.

Probably just means declared factory weights are now merely quite far off rather than completely farcical....
The official empty weight of 1420Kg is very surprising and a full 45Kg heavier than the 718 GTS Cayman/Boxster..The new GT4 now weighs virtually the same as the 991.2GT3 RS which is even more perplexing.
However i can testify to the fact that the EU official homologation weights are now for the car in 100% standard spec with zero options added, weight adding or weight reducing alike..
My 992S came with a Customer copy of the new factory WLTP spec for my personal specced car..It mentions the official homologated weight of 1515KG DIN weight and the 1590KG including 75KG driver + luggage..However there's also a separate weight figure for my actual 992 including my individual options..This figure is 1623KG including the 1590KG(inc 75KG driver) and a total extra 33KG for all the non standard additional cost extras..This also affects the emissions and fuel economy for my car..
This factory supplied sheet of paper was never supplied with any of my previous pre WLTP Porsches..

isaldiri

4,780 posts

112 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Taffy66 said:
The official empty weight of 1420Kg is very surprising and a full 45Kg heavier than the 718 GTS Cayman/Boxster..The new GT4 now weighs virtually the same as the 991.2GT3 RS which is even more perplexing.
However i can testify to the fact that the EU official homologation weights are now for the car in 100% standard spec with zero options added, weight adding or weight reducing alike..
Personally, I'd take all factory weights with a massive pinch of salt still. declared weight of the .2 3rs is 1430kg. there is absolutely no way that is 100% standard spec car as Sport Auto weighed their car (full WP pack with mag wheels, no PCM but with a halo seat) and it was 1443kg. Ok that was closer than the gen1 which was nearer to 1500kg with the same declared weight but the factory weight is guaranteed not to be a 100% standard spec car imo.

Joehow

222 posts

59 months

Tuesday 18th June
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One good thing about that particulate filter is it means we should have no issues with track day noise.

The more I look the more I am drawn to the Spyder. Where on road enjoyment is harder to come by, flipping the roof down brings another element.

Then with GT department development you know it will work on track.

HammerCJ

101 posts

87 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Have to say I'm slightly underwhelmed - it seems like a slight evolution, which I'm sure will be improved all round, but not a game changer. The 4.0 with more power is very welcome, but it sounds like they haven't changed the gear ratios at all? Such an easy fix, why? Plus it looks pretty similar to the 981. The real snag is not limited production - what does that mean for value retention? I thought all GT products were limited? Or in the real world does that just prevent massive overs? I guess it all depends on how it's recieved by the motoring press.

Don't get me wrong...I still want one...!

However, the thing I wasnt expecting was how appealing the Spyder seems now (I had a 987 Spyder before my 981 GT4)! That rear looks immense! Although still think I'd have to go GT4...

I wonder how allocations will work now they are not limited...?

Twinfan

3,906 posts

48 months

Tuesday 18th June
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They're still limited by production, just not by "x of x" badges.

Doddler

15 posts

98 months

Tuesday 18th June
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They might be limited by production, but what is that production limit?? I had an M2 which was limited by production and they produced a lot!

frayz

1,276 posts

103 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Limited production - No
Limited availability - 100% absolutely

Porsche are not daft wink

philnotts

656 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th June
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I am guessing easy 2x 3x more what was suggested before produced.

bcr5784

3,785 posts

89 months

Tuesday 18th June
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If they produce a 718/6 with PDK then they really could sell them in volume. Even if production of the GT4 and Spyder isn't actually limited they will remain niche market cars.

Rojibo

278 posts

21 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Not quite sure why but I am underwhelmed. I was looking forward to this but had almost resigned myself to buying the 992 expecting I wouldn’t get allocation.

Save myself some money with this (relatively) or wait for the inevitable 992 GTS scratchchin it’s a shame there’s no PDK option but I can see why.

Twinfan

3,906 posts

48 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Folding buckets don't seem to be an option on the GT4 but they are on the Spyder, for the heated option I suspect.

911R won't be pleased...

boxsey

3,393 posts

154 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Link to first Porsche video of the GT4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxAW1nm2D0

Mark Stevens

92 posts

134 months

Tuesday 18th June
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I’m going to use all avenues to get one. At a guess 85k with spec, heavier - still doesn’t put me off if honest.

cmoose

44,799 posts

173 months

Tuesday 18th June
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breadvan said:
Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more......
Really? What makes you say that?

The GT3 went up by 25PS. The GT4 is up by 35PS, the Spyder by 45PS. And given the lower starting figures, the percentage increases versus the GT3 will be even bigger...


caminator11

100 posts

42 months

Tuesday 18th June
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There isn't a massive gulf between 991.1 and 991.2 GT3s, although the second gen is clearly better.

Personally I think its a really great progression and its awesome that they've managed to get an N/A 6 in there. I've always felt the 718 was a good looking car, a GT4 is the first one I'd feel happy owning.

I wouldn't be surprised if people think that a Cayman S feels quicker in day to day traffic with PDK and that boosty flat 4 though