The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

[TDT]

av185 said:

There will be plenty of cars q1 q2 2020 pre factory shutdown but likely all 'manuel.'

As expected it looks like standard PDK as opposed to PDK S for later cars. Less appeal imo.

So could be £2500 for PDK as an option in which case even a highly geared mt GT4 has more appeal than essentially a non Porsche GT expensive option gearbox (at this stage imo) on a GT Porsche.

PDK vs PDK-S on a GT4 is going to be a non-event, when all people have been crying out for is a Dual-Clutch 'automatic' version of the car. Drink to a thirsty man in the desert.

PDK/PDK-S will have shorter gears than manual 1-6 with 7 (or 8) being overdrive
PDK-S gives faster shifts...and no creep. Nice but not enough to say that a regular PDK offering won't be good enough or less appealing.

[boxsey]

av185 said:

TimRV57 said:

av185 said:

As expected it looks like standard PDK as opposed to PDK S for later cars. Less appeal imo.

Where did you hear this from is that any new actual information?

Thanks

Sorry I'd be shot if I revealed.

Suppose it was always a given thinking about it.

Here's a spy video of the Cayman and Boxster 718 sixes (or whatever they are going to call them). Sounds like a PDK box on the Cayman which I guess is pretty good evidence that there will be a PDK option for the 718GT4 at some point:

https://www.motor1.com/news/360566/porsche-cayman-...

[av185]

TDT said:

av185 said:

There will be plenty of cars q1 q2 2020 pre factory shutdown but likely all 'manuel.'

As expected it looks like standard PDK as opposed to PDK S for later cars. Less appeal imo.

So could be £2500 for PDK as an option in which case even a highly geared mt GT4 has more appeal than essentially a non Porsche GT expensive option gearbox (at this stage imo) on a GT Porsche.

PDK vs PDK-S on a GT4 is going to be a non-event, when all people have been crying out for is a Dual-Clutch 'automatic' version of the car. Drink to a thirsty man in the desert.

PDK/PDK-S will have shorter gears than manual 1-6 with 7 (or 8) being overdrive
PDK-S gives faster shifts...and no creep. Nice but not enough to say that a regular PDK offering won't be good enough or less appealing.

I had a 991.1 GT3 which was of course PDK S and liked the box very much but much prefer my 991.2 GT3 'manuel' for obvious reasons.

I hate creep on my 997 GTS PDK and the fact that the gearbox overrides and drops a gear in SC even when in 'manuel'. That was a plus with the PDK S in the GT3 in that 'manuel' meant 'manuel' all the way to the 9k limit. Apart from that the only time it would change down would be say coming to a halt which was obviously ok.

Must admit I haven't driven a standard PDK on any recent Porsches do they still have that irritating habit of dropping a gear on heavy throttle input in SC when you don't necessarily want to change gear?

[130R]

av185 said:

Must admit I haven't driven a standard PDK on any recent Porsches do they still have that irritating habit of dropping a gear on heavy throttle input in SC when you don't necessarily want to change gear?

No it won't drop a gear in manual mode under throttle

[gpgts]

lemmingjames said:

nobody tempted by the 2020 corvette?

I am, despite the deposit on a 718 Spyder. The fact that it doesn’t have stick is a deterrent. But still called the dealer and gave name, etc. It will move the game and I can save $40,000. Perhaps buy the Corvette and take the money I saved and buy a used Lotus as well with stick shift to mollify the manual need

[bcr5784]

gpgts said:

I am, despite the deposit on a 718 Spyder. The fact that it doesn’t have stick is a deterrent. But still called the dealer and gave name, etc. It will move the game and I can save $40,000. Perhaps buy the Corvette and take the money I saved and buy a used Lotus as well with stick shift to mollify the manual need

Looks excellent value - but have you seen the dimensions? It's vast - and looks like it will be very heavy too. OK for US roads perhaps - less appealing for UK ones.

[R5PCN]

red_slr said:

Has anyone been contacted by their dealer to place an order out of interest?

Yes, I placed my order on 12th July...

[FocusRS3]

bcr5784 said:

Looks excellent value - but have you seen the dimensions? It's vast - and looks like it will be very heavy too. OK for US roads perhaps - less appealing for UK ones.

Also whats the dealer network situation going to be like, servicing, teething issues etc etc

May be a ball ache

[chasethesun]

Still waiting to place my order. I’ve been told that my dealer doesn’t know about allocations yet, but hopes to hear in the next couple of weeks...
Think I’be been put down the list?

[TDT]

Carfection (Henry Catchpole) Track review on GT4 premiering on YT now.

https://youtu.be/skYatVjFTlY

No real insights.... and no comparison to the old boat.

Hopefully we'll get more in the Road review - which will be the Spyder.

Edited by TDT on Friday 26th July 14:00

[isaldiri]

Ok, it's the first video I've watched of the car and I really don't get all the hand wringing about the lack of sound in the new car. It's slightly muted vs the old one but.... nothing like what's been suggested at times here? And infinitely better than the 4 pot turbo on the 'standard' 718.

[TDT]

isaldiri said:

Ok, it's the first video I've watched of the car and I really don't get all the hand wringing about the lack of sound in the new car. It's slightly muted vs the old one but.... nothing like what's been suggested at times here? And infinitely better than the 4 pot turbo on the 'standard' 718.

Agreed - inside sound isn't much different to my ear from the video. Outside sound is where there will be an undoubted difference...for whatever that is worth to people.
But at the same time i don't think he told us anything that we couldn't have just read from the Press Pack. So will wait for the second vid to drop to see if he actually gives us his opinion.

[Porsche911R]

why are they all quoting a CGT time ?

It's like all the reviews are the same and it's scripted ?

[notsomadmick]

Of course we haven't been able to gauge what Henry's real views are at this point. But when you listen to (his below) past enthusiasm during his short Goodwood GT4 review back in 2015, he doesn't seem as initially fired up this time round. Also the cabin noise does come across (to me) as quite different between both versions. So jury is out at the mo for me...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a...

Mad Scientist said:

To be fair, after all my defending on this, I’m now almost certain these reviews are a porker stitch up.

Catchpole without any opinions? I smell a rat.

[Cheib]

I agree...really didn't think he was that excited about it. Which was the conclusion of the PH video...if you've got a 981 keep it.

[red_slr]

R5PCN said:

red_slr said:

Has anyone been contacted by their dealer to place an order out of interest?

Yes, I placed my order on 12th July...

My OPC are saying they have 2 cars which are spoken for but next allocation may be possible to get one so having a mull over that they cant say for sure though until their next allocation despite it being a "regular" car they cant order any more yet. (true or not I don't know). Also waiting for news on PDK option?

[MeisterH]

All my own personal opinion for what i look for in my Porsches that i buy.

Ive passed on my GT4 and Spider allocation/s, all the build up i was excited, then release they supply it with the same gaerbox.. for me it was a no no. Myself, I will wait for the RS Version with PDK, which will come not too long ;-)

[av185]

Wouldnt get too excited about there even being an RS imo.

[gpgts]

Perhaps headline sums it up best. Overall an excellent review by a reputable car magazine.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...

[Bedlamater]

gpgts said:

Perhaps headline sums it up best. Overall an excellent review by a reputable car magazine.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...

As he mentions, if you want a louder exhaust note then buy and aftermarket one of which there will no doubt be a number of options.