GT4 RS breaks cover then...
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av185 said:
Lamedom.....no the 999.1 RS was not immune from the engine issues of the 991.1 GT3 but because there were fewer cars (332 UK 991.1 GT3 between Sept 13 and c Sept 2015 don't know 991.1 GT3RS nos but Summer 2015 until cSpring 2016 from memory) they were far less reported.
Not 8.5% then ? 
gunner said:
Just catching up after a while off PH. How come so many GT4RS's are for sale and why? Seems a mental amount or am I the mental one?
Because lots (most) of them were bought by people to “make a few quid” rather than to use in anger. When you do use them in anger they are bloody hard work on the road. Ace on track but there aren’t many trackdays in winter. Ultimately they are still a hard, bouncy, noisy, very quick Cayman. Sophisticated they ain’t.
List feels about right price wise for what they are.
Was there anything that you could have done to make it more compliant ?
Would further reducing unsprung mass or a modification to the PASM have made any difference ?
We know that people like KW have been very clever at combining high performance damping with compliance in every day use ... fast bump for kerbs etc ....
Would further reducing unsprung mass or a modification to the PASM have made any difference ?
We know that people like KW have been very clever at combining high performance damping with compliance in every day use ... fast bump for kerbs etc ....
Biggest thing would have been to sort the dampers out…car is over sprung and underdamped.
But the official kit has gone even stiffer on the front.. that said matched a much better 4-way adjustable damper.
I think the key thing just like on the GT4 is the rebound, to kill the pogo-ing.
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits…
Other offerings are available and better vfm.
As Bigmowley says….given what they really are… List or thereabouts is the right level. They are getting there with plenty more to be built…
Have you been out in one yet Chris?
But the official kit has gone even stiffer on the front.. that said matched a much better 4-way adjustable damper.
I think the key thing just like on the GT4 is the rebound, to kill the pogo-ing.
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits…
Other offerings are available and better vfm.As Bigmowley says….given what they really are… List or thereabouts is the right level. They are getting there with plenty more to be built…
Have you been out in one yet Chris?
Edited by TDT on Sunday 10th December 20:11
gunner said:
Just catching up after a while off PH. How come so many GT4RS's are for sale and why? Seems a mental amount or am I the mental one?
I think a few have been sat for while as they are missing PCCB's, Mag wheels, PDLS. Ones with those and in the right colour(light blues seem to be popular) seem to shift pretty quickly!TDT said:
Biggest thing would have been to sort the dampers out…car is over sprung and underdamped.
But the official kit has gone even stiffer on the front.. that said matched a much better 4-way adjustable damper.
I think the key thing just like on the GT4 is the rebound, to kill the pogo-ing.
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits… Other offerings are available and better vfm.
As Bigmowley says….given what they really are… List or thereabouts is the right level. They are getting there with plenty more to be built…
Have you been out in one yet Chris?
But no helper springs ? to deal with the transitions ... as mentioned, only at Croft and not running the kerbs (which makes a big difference there) ... it didn't feel as fast or as loud as I had expected ??But the official kit has gone even stiffer on the front.. that said matched a much better 4-way adjustable damper.
I think the key thing just like on the GT4 is the rebound, to kill the pogo-ing.
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits…
Other offerings are available and better vfm.As Bigmowley says….given what they really are… List or thereabouts is the right level. They are getting there with plenty more to be built…
Have you been out in one yet Chris?
Edited by TDT on Sunday 10th December 20:11
Do you think the mags improve the ride quality ?
TDT said:
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits… Other offerings are available and better vfm.
Other offerings are available and better vfm.
well that's entirely expected if rather bloody pisstaking because presumably they are the exact same v5 KW unit made for the gt4 even if valved differently for a higher spring rate.....isaldiri said:
TDT said:
Quite expensive though… double the price of the GT4 version… well done Porsche, cream those profits… Other offerings are available and better vfm.
Other offerings are available and better vfm. well that's entirely expected if rather bloody pisstaking because presumably they are the exact same v5 KW unit made for the gt4 even if valved differently for a higher spring rate.....Same price as for 992 GT3 chassis kit. Still a pisstake regardless.
SSR use the v4(3-way) for their 4RS kit. Dundon use MCS 3-way for their 4RS. Both keenly priced.
Edited by TDT on Monday 11th December 00:01
Many thanks T ... a mine of useful information ... so unless you pay for the Manthey (sorry, I see it's techquipment at £15k !) suspension upgrade you maybe outside the OPC warranty on a virtually unused car for the whole of the suspension at least ...
Why wouldn't they do this instead of mags ??
Why wouldn't they do this instead of mags ??
Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 11th December 10:18
ChrisW. said:
Many thanks T ... a mine of useful information ... so unless you pay for the Manthey (sorry, I see it's techquipment at £15k !) suspension upgrade you maybe outside the OPC warranty on a virtually unused car for the whole of the suspension at least ...
Why wouldn't they do this instead of mags ??
For the majority of people, Mags are of greater benefit. Why wouldn't they do this instead of mags ??
Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 11th December 10:18
Primarily due to resale and looks, but they do also reduces unsprung so improves ride characteristics.
Like you, i’d probably rather spend the same money on a damper kit if it was the choice between the two from Porsche.
TDT said:
Tbf it is v5 (4-way) for the 4RS, where GT4 was v4(3-way).
Same price as for 992 GT3 chassis kit. Still a pisstake regardless.
SSR use the v4(3-way) for their 4RS kit. Dundon use MCS 3-way for their 4RS. Both keenly priced.
Ah - well that's perhaps not quite that piss-taking actually if the 4rd has same spec (and cost) as the gt3. One would presumably have to think the standard gt4 damper will be of a lower spec (over and above the obvious v4 vs v5) like the older clubsport vs competition KWs. Same price as for 992 GT3 chassis kit. Still a pisstake regardless.
SSR use the v4(3-way) for their 4RS kit. Dundon use MCS 3-way for their 4RS. Both keenly priced.
Edited by TDT on Monday 11th December 00:01
slightly annoyingly, there are v seldom freebies in damper quality and for better or worse, dampers are one of these things that it seems one really does more or less get what one pays for.....
Familymad said:
Long time lurker. Seems £150-160k is where they have now settled. I know the early base price was £108k but with options, these are now not too bad value now the silly overs season has passed. Anyone have a rough GFV on theirs to work back a set of numbers at £150k.
Thanks
Go on the OPF finder. Find a car with “calculate monthly payment” under the price. Click on the link and change the term length to see what the GFV being quoted by VWFS is.Thanks
Familymad said:
Long time lurker. Seems £150-160k is where they have now settled. I know the early base price was £108k but with options, these are now not too bad value now the silly overs season has passed. Anyone have a rough GFV on theirs to work back a set of numbers at £150k.
Thanks
Looking at the porsche used site GFV after 3 years will be around the 70k mark, which is very good considering their original list price of 108k plus options. Thanks
Options rarely increase your GFV.
Some of the cars which are currently listed around the 150 to 160k have been for sale for sometime, dealers seem to be holding out above 150k.
Guess only time will tell if these will drop further.
GT4RS said:
Looking at the porsche used site GFV after 3 years will be around the 70k mark, which is very good considering their original list price of 108k plus options.
Options rarely increase your GFV.
Some of the cars which are currently listed around the 150 to 160k have been for sale for sometime, dealers seem to be holding out above 150k.
Guess only time will tell if these will drop further.
If you spec one now a good spec with WP will cost you over £150k. Options rarely increase your GFV.
Some of the cars which are currently listed around the 150 to 160k have been for sale for sometime, dealers seem to be holding out above 150k.
Guess only time will tell if these will drop further.
So at todays prices that is about list I doubt they will drop much further while there are fewer cars than buyers just need finance rates to drop to stimulate the market.
Geoff39GL said:
GT4RS said:
Looking at the porsche used site GFV after 3 years will be around the 70k mark, which is very good considering their original list price of 108k plus options.
Options rarely increase your GFV.
Some of the cars which are currently listed around the 150 to 160k have been for sale for sometime, dealers seem to be holding out above 150k.
Guess only time will tell if these will drop further.
If you spec one now a good spec with WP will cost you over £150k. Options rarely increase your GFV.
Some of the cars which are currently listed around the 150 to 160k have been for sale for sometime, dealers seem to be holding out above 150k.
Guess only time will tell if these will drop further.
So at todays prices that is about list I doubt they will drop much further while there are fewer cars than buyers just need finance rates to drop to stimulate the market.
That’s has to be around 10 to 15% of the Uk current allocation.
What is interesting is cars which are high specification, low miles with the WP seem to sell fairly quickly if priced competitively.
The yellow Ashgood car seems to holding the bottom end pricing up at 150k, this car is now starting to look expensive as competitive opc price similar spec lower mileage cars into the low 150k bracket.
What’s interesting is very few owners are attempting to sell a car privately, below dealer pricing. The 7000 mile shark blue car which looks beautiful would probably sell, if it wasn’t priced above current retail pricing for that mileage.
Strangely we haven’t seen many shark blue gt4rs cars for
sale so this may be a factor for the owner to try and ask for a little more.
Cost of borrowing is certainly a factor in slowing the porsche market, but I don’t think it’s the only factor. You only have to look at the 25 plus new 992 at the my local opc to see a storm is coming.
The guess the return of depreciation is also a big factor for many.
Familymad said:
£70 ish K GFV on one then. Thanks for the tip on the Porsche finance GB website.
Oddly makes them quite a chunk more than a 992 GT3 to own.
Yup, and when you compare the underwritten GFV's on the GT4 v the 4RS, it shows what an absolute bargain the 'normal' GT4 currently is.Oddly makes them quite a chunk more than a 992 GT3 to own.
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