718 GT4 UK Allocations
Discussion
SuperCharged V6 said:
Thank you for taking the time to detail your Lotus to GT4 journey. As a V6 Exige owner, and only the GT4/Spyder on my wish list, you have helped a lot....I think 
I have an S2 Elise SC (standard apart from brakes, seats and Ohlins) and a 981 GT4 CS but have a slightly different view to gashead1105 on Lotus vs GT4, all just my opinion of course:Edited by SuperCharged V6 on Thursday 9th March 23:34
- The GT4 has significantly more power than the Elise but the engine is actually less exciting (the the torque dip around 5k rpm is annoying). And yes the long gearing is sub-optimal on the road
- On track the GT4 is faster but less exciting. It is more "neutral" handling and forgiving than the Elise. You have to be at 10/10ths on track for it to really shine
- The GT4 gear shift feels better than the Elise (which isn't great tbh)
- The GT4 doesn't rattle at all. My Elise sounds like it is falling apart (but isn't)
- The GT4 is surprisingly noisy. For long journeys (eg driving to Spa) I use noise-cancelling earphones. According to my iphone db app, the GT4 is actually louder in the cabin at 70mph than my Elise
- The GT4 has abosolutely no steering feel or feedback at road speeds whereas the Elise feels much more like my old 964 in that regard (chattering away constantly). This is the main reason I find the GT4 dull to drive on road
- The GT4 has more space in the cabin and the boots
- The GT4 uses more fuel, if that matters to you
For me the GT4 isn't quiet or comfortable enough to be car my wife would be happy to tour Europe in, but isn't visceral enough to be an exciting weekend toy. I've had mine a year but it will be going.
BillyB said:
SuperCharged V6 said:
Thank you for taking the time to detail your Lotus to GT4 journey. As a V6 Exige owner, and only the GT4/Spyder on my wish list, you have helped a lot....I think
I have an S2 Elise SC (standard apart from brakes, seats and Ohlins) and a 981 GT4 CS but have a slightly different view to gashead1105 on Lotus vs GT4, all just my opinion of course:Edited by SuperCharged V6 on Thursday 9th March 23:34
- The GT4 has significantly more power than the Elise but the engine is actually less exciting (the the torque dip around 5k rpm is annoying). And yes the long gearing is sub-optimal on the road
- On track the GT4 is faster but less exciting. It is more "neutral" handling and forgiving than the Elise. You have to be at 10/10ths on track for it to really shine
- The GT4 gear shift feels better than the Elise (which isn't great tbh)
- The GT4 doesn't rattle at all. My Elise sounds like it is falling apart (but isn't)
- The GT4 is surprisingly noisy. For long journeys (eg driving to Spa) I use noise-cancelling earphones. According to my iphone db app, the GT4 is actually louder in the cabin at 70mph than my Elise
- The GT4 has abosolutely no steering feel or feedback at road speeds whereas the Elise feels much more like my old 964 in that regard (chattering away constantly). This is the main reason I find the GT4 dull to drive on road
- The GT4 has more space in the cabin and the boots
- The GT4 uses more fuel, if that matters to you
For me the GT4 isn't quiet or comfortable enough to be car my wife would be happy to tour Europe in, but isn't visceral enough to be an exciting weekend toy. I've had mine a year but it will be going.
I agree with all your points above. I use noise canceling headphones in them both though
The 718 is a fair bit quicker again than the 981 GT4 but it still cannot hold a candle to the fun factor of reving the tits off a highly strung K-series. The GT4 is way better on the longer faster tracks and the Lotus is better in the tighter shorter tracks, both have their strengths.
For visceral fun factor the Lotus wins hands down.
The GT4 is a bloody good daily though.
m44rrv said:
PCCBs are still not available across all vehicles where they are optional . Apparently something to do with manufacturing process and environmental impact. Unlikely to see them on any actual news builds in the near future
Is there a strong market for PCCBs. I have a new Cayman arriving this month with them. They weren't on my list of must haves. Are they easy to swap out or just not worth the hassle and worth keeping and enjoying them. I assume its hoth discs and callioers as the car has black callipers which i did want. The car won't be tracked. The advantages have been "done to death" ...
Steels can be exchanged for ST carbon discs if you wish ... cost £12k but they are much better than the PCCB's and the car can easily be returned to standard.
Advantages / Much reduced brake dust / No risk of wet pads stuck to steel discs / some unsprung mass advantages / look good / no steel disc corrosion / much reduced brake pad consumption /
Disadvantages / When wet they do need warming / drying a little to get them working at 100%
The difference between ST's and PCCB's is more nuanced depending upon use ... PCCB consumables perform less well than ST's in heavy track use ...
In my experience !
Steels can be exchanged for ST carbon discs if you wish ... cost £12k but they are much better than the PCCB's and the car can easily be returned to standard.
Advantages / Much reduced brake dust / No risk of wet pads stuck to steel discs / some unsprung mass advantages / look good / no steel disc corrosion / much reduced brake pad consumption /
Disadvantages / When wet they do need warming / drying a little to get them working at 100%
The difference between ST's and PCCB's is more nuanced depending upon use ... PCCB consumables perform less well than ST's in heavy track use ...
In my experience !
Maybe sour grapes on my part but this seems a little unfair to enthusiasts still waiting for an allocation.
I’d enquired at my usual OPC 7 days ago about a potential GT4/Spyder purchase to replace my 2021 GT4, bought from same dealer. Mentioned I’d also consider any cancelled orders. Was given the “No allocations at present, but we’ll bare you in mind if we get more” line, which I expected.
Yesterday, a client of mine mentioned he was in the process of rapidly speccing a GT4. He had been cold called by an OPC on Friday offering him a cancelled but still speccable order (spec lock tomorrow - was told all options were available apart from carbon buckets & PTS). He used to have a relationship with the OPC but hasn’t bought any Porsche in years, he’s in the auto trade, had made no enquiries about any new Porsche, has no interest in a GT4 and plans to flip it the moment it’s delivered.
You guessed it. His cold call was from the same OPC I enquired at last week.
I’d enquired at my usual OPC 7 days ago about a potential GT4/Spyder purchase to replace my 2021 GT4, bought from same dealer. Mentioned I’d also consider any cancelled orders. Was given the “No allocations at present, but we’ll bare you in mind if we get more” line, which I expected.
Yesterday, a client of mine mentioned he was in the process of rapidly speccing a GT4. He had been cold called by an OPC on Friday offering him a cancelled but still speccable order (spec lock tomorrow - was told all options were available apart from carbon buckets & PTS). He used to have a relationship with the OPC but hasn’t bought any Porsche in years, he’s in the auto trade, had made no enquiries about any new Porsche, has no interest in a GT4 and plans to flip it the moment it’s delivered.
You guessed it. His cold call was from the same OPC I enquired at last week.
Edited by neilf on Tuesday 14th March 09:00
Edited by neilf on Tuesday 14th March 09:07
Was it the same Sales Advisor you spoke to though?
At my OPC, the SAs have their own customers who they deal with. If one of their customers cancels an order I would expect the SA to ring their other customers to try and maintain the sale under their umbrella and keep their commission. If they can't fulfil the order then only then would I expect it to get passed to another SA.
At my OPC, the SAs have their own customers who they deal with. If one of their customers cancels an order I would expect the SA to ring their other customers to try and maintain the sale under their umbrella and keep their commission. If they can't fulfil the order then only then would I expect it to get passed to another SA.
neilf said:
Maybe sour grapes on my part but this seems a little unfair to enthusiasts still waiting for an allocation.
I’d enquired at my usual OPC 7 days ago about a potential GT4/Spyder purchase to replace my 2021 GT4, bought from same dealer. Mentioned I’d also consider any cancelled orders. Was given the “No allocations at present, but we’ll bare you in mind if we get more” line, which I expected.
Yesterday, a client of mine mentioned he was in the process of rapidly speccing a GT4. He had been cold called by an OPC on Friday offering him a cancelled but still speccable order (spec lock tomorrow - was told all options were available apart from carbon buckets & PTS). He used to have a relationship with the OPC but hasn’t bought any Porsche in years, he’s in the auto trade, had made no enquiries about any new Porsche, has no interest in a GT4 and plans to flip it the moment it’s delivered.
You guessed it. His cold call was from the same OPC I enquired at last week.
Strange. As buckets are now available. But PCCB’s are not. I’d enquired at my usual OPC 7 days ago about a potential GT4/Spyder purchase to replace my 2021 GT4, bought from same dealer. Mentioned I’d also consider any cancelled orders. Was given the “No allocations at present, but we’ll bare you in mind if we get more” line, which I expected.
Yesterday, a client of mine mentioned he was in the process of rapidly speccing a GT4. He had been cold called by an OPC on Friday offering him a cancelled but still speccable order (spec lock tomorrow - was told all options were available apart from carbon buckets & PTS). He used to have a relationship with the OPC but hasn’t bought any Porsche in years, he’s in the auto trade, had made no enquiries about any new Porsche, has no interest in a GT4 and plans to flip it the moment it’s delivered.
You guessed it. His cold call was from the same OPC I enquired at last week.
Edited by neilf on Tuesday 14th March 09:00
Edited by neilf on Tuesday 14th March 09:07
Guess this makes sense as it wasn’t the same advisor.
I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
neilf said:
Guess this makes sense as it wasn’t the same advisor.
I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
As I said above, I doubt it's part of a master plan to get previous customers back in. More likely a simple case of needing to get a quick sale due to the spec lock timing and someone in the trade being an ideal candidate to pick it up for a flip.I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
Twinfan said:
neilf said:
Guess this makes sense as it wasn’t the same advisor.
I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
As I said above, I doubt it's part of a master plan to get previous customers back in. More likely a simple case of needing to get a quick sale due to the spec lock timing and someone in the trade being an ideal candidate to pick it up for a flip.I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
Tomanybikes said:
You rub my back and ….
Maybe, maybe not 
The SA will get commission on the sale and it will help them meet their sales targets. If they didn't get someone to take the slot with only 24hrs to spec it, it could lock as-is and become a showroom model which could sit around and it might not be them who sells it...
Twinfan said:
neilf said:
Guess this makes sense as it wasn’t the same advisor.
I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
As I said above, I doubt it's part of a master plan to get previous customers back in. More likely a simple case of needing to get a quick sale due to the spec lock timing and someone in the trade being an ideal candidate to pick it up for a flip.I wasn’t particularly unhappy the cancelled allocation didn’t come my way. I only enquired last week, I’m sure there are others in the queue way before me!
Just seemed a bit unfair they were cold calling old clients who had shown no interest in GT cars, when they must have a long list of current customers begging for one. Maybe it’s a way of getting old customers back into Porsche.
Sure there will be others in the que at the OPC that would be upset not to be offered it first especially if production is ending this summer and most options other than Bose are now available!
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