Car play for PCM3.0
Discussion
Their fact sheet
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bGTQdunBV4JT5tWLl...
plus a video from Nick who is hands on with support
https://vimeo.com/478169707
https://vimeo.com/user75450753
Never buy the JoyeAuto direct as you will have very little if any support. NMAutomotive are a bit more expensive but surely having someone on hand to help is worth the extra £50 or so.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bGTQdunBV4JT5tWLl...
plus a video from Nick who is hands on with support
https://vimeo.com/478169707
https://vimeo.com/user75450753
Never buy the JoyeAuto direct as you will have very little if any support. NMAutomotive are a bit more expensive but surely having someone on hand to help is worth the extra £50 or so.
that said, considering the unit is £450 (with shipping) plus (i have been quoted) £500 to install it, that is a grand -vs- waiting until next year for the official Porsche one to come out....
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/por...
'....the expanded rollout of digital infotainment technology to fit older models as recent as the 997, with that variant's PCCM system due for launch in 2022 in response to demand.'
The recent 996 PCM unit is £1300...and lets say the 997/987 one next year will be £1500, I'd rather pay that to get a high res screen and better touch control than this temporary measure. And the one next year will be an easier install, it is bound to be.
I am going to wait it out!
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/por...
'....the expanded rollout of digital infotainment technology to fit older models as recent as the 997, with that variant's PCCM system due for launch in 2022 in response to demand.'
The recent 996 PCM unit is £1300...and lets say the 997/987 one next year will be £1500, I'd rather pay that to get a high res screen and better touch control than this temporary measure. And the one next year will be an easier install, it is bound to be.
I am going to wait it out!
I got one of the kits from Joyeauto for my 987.2, fitted it myself and fortunately mine does actually work so far.
First negative is that the screen when in Carplay mode flickers a bit from time to time - jumping up a pixel or so - which I don't notice when driving. To echo the "no support from Joyeauto" comment they just told me to get a voltage filter and basically weren't interested in investigating. Since the problem happens when the engine isn't running I'd say it's unlikely to be interference that a filter would cure and having removed and re-installed everything I can only assume it's something I'll have to live with.
The second issue is the screen itself isn't particularly good for things like swiping - but that's because it wasn't really designed to back in the day so you can use the right knob instead.
The third is that the next and previous buttons have the exact opposite effect when you press them (tapping on screen works correctly of course). A rookie software bug I'd say but doesn't inspire confidence.
In summary: it does the job and means I can use Google maps while driving, which is the main thing I was after. But if Porsche release an updated PCM with Carplay and a much better screen then I'd remove the kit and upgrade to that in a heartbeat. If you're less patient than me, I'd wait.
First negative is that the screen when in Carplay mode flickers a bit from time to time - jumping up a pixel or so - which I don't notice when driving. To echo the "no support from Joyeauto" comment they just told me to get a voltage filter and basically weren't interested in investigating. Since the problem happens when the engine isn't running I'd say it's unlikely to be interference that a filter would cure and having removed and re-installed everything I can only assume it's something I'll have to live with.
The second issue is the screen itself isn't particularly good for things like swiping - but that's because it wasn't really designed to back in the day so you can use the right knob instead.
The third is that the next and previous buttons have the exact opposite effect when you press them (tapping on screen works correctly of course). A rookie software bug I'd say but doesn't inspire confidence.
In summary: it does the job and means I can use Google maps while driving, which is the main thing I was after. But if Porsche release an updated PCM with Carplay and a much better screen then I'd remove the kit and upgrade to that in a heartbeat. If you're less patient than me, I'd wait.
Yep I'd wait, or get the JoyeAuto via NMAutomotive as they give full support. Buying from JoyeAuto direct is doomed if you need to ask even the simplest of questions let alone a fault.
Also worth noting the first PCM 3.0 batches from JoyeAuto had an issue where they drain the battery. A software patch by NMAutomotive (whom I have no affiliation with I should add) solved that.
Also worth noting the first PCM 3.0 batches from JoyeAuto had an issue where they drain the battery. A software patch by NMAutomotive (whom I have no affiliation with I should add) solved that.
Edited by julian987R on Friday 11th June 15:52
Edited to not mine is PCM3.1 as pointed out below
My experience with support was very different, but that might be due to the increased demand and JoyAuto not scaling. When I had a question they very quickly responded to me. I was surprised because I thought they would be difficult to contact particularly because I bought it through AliExpress or another similar site.
Again, this was a while ago so their ability to support the volume of sales may be sufficient.
In terms of swiping, I have never thought about swiping. I always use the knobs. But, I can imagine the user experience with swiping being terrible as I don’t think the PCM is made for swiping. I’m glad I continued to interact with the PCM in the same manner I had done for years and can see how annoying it would be if swiping was an expectation.
The screen resolution has been very consistent to me. From the moment I installed it I was impressed at how…normal it looked. I was even annoyed that Porsche didn’t make more of an effort. Some have said earlier that it’s because of the compute power demands, and that makes sense. The PCM in my car is from 2013. The car play is 5-6 years newer.
On the balance, I would not hesitate to purchase another unit and install it myself. I paid about $400 all in. I’d be a little less eager if it was £1k as others have said inc install.
My experience with support was very different, but that might be due to the increased demand and JoyAuto not scaling. When I had a question they very quickly responded to me. I was surprised because I thought they would be difficult to contact particularly because I bought it through AliExpress or another similar site.
Again, this was a while ago so their ability to support the volume of sales may be sufficient.
In terms of swiping, I have never thought about swiping. I always use the knobs. But, I can imagine the user experience with swiping being terrible as I don’t think the PCM is made for swiping. I’m glad I continued to interact with the PCM in the same manner I had done for years and can see how annoying it would be if swiping was an expectation.
The screen resolution has been very consistent to me. From the moment I installed it I was impressed at how…normal it looked. I was even annoyed that Porsche didn’t make more of an effort. Some have said earlier that it’s because of the compute power demands, and that makes sense. The PCM in my car is from 2013. The car play is 5-6 years newer.
On the balance, I would not hesitate to purchase another unit and install it myself. I paid about $400 all in. I’d be a little less eager if it was £1k as others have said inc install.
Edited by h0b0 on Saturday 12th June 12:51
h0b0 said:
The PCM in my car is from 2013. The car play is 5-6 years newer.
In the balance, I would not hesitate to purchase another unit and install it myself. I paid about $400 all in. I’d be a little less eager if it was £1k as others have said inc install.
Yours must be the 3.1 solution which is more tried and tested than the 3.0 solution. Good to hear a positive review on their support though. I still think its worth waiting now until for next year for the new range of Classic Car Radio support. Only doubt I have is how they'll cover off Gen 1 and Gen 2's, they might just do a release to update Gen 1's, the silver units, as they are further behind the tech times. unless the unit is the same size between the 2 Gens and maybe it'll be a facia option. In the balance, I would not hesitate to purchase another unit and install it myself. I paid about $400 all in. I’d be a little less eager if it was £1k as others have said inc install.
julian987R said:
Yep I'd wait, or get the JoyeAuto via NMAutomotive as they give full support. Buying from JoyeAuto direct is doomed if you need to ask even the simplest of questions let alone a fault.
Also worth noting the first PCM 3.0 batches from JoyeAuto had an issue where they drain the battery. A software patch by NMAutomotive (whom I have no affiliation with I should add) solved that.
NMAutomotive use the Unichip kits. Not joyeauto. But support from Nick is great. Worth the premium IMO. Also worth noting the first PCM 3.0 batches from JoyeAuto had an issue where they drain the battery. A software patch by NMAutomotive (whom I have no affiliation with I should add) solved that.
Edited by julian987R on Friday 11th June 15:52
I'll wait and have a look at Porsche's new 997 offering although I quite like the PCM 3 on the GT2 as it differentiates it as a 2009 production model.
I've asked my installer if he can come up with a solution so I can bluetooth DAB radio off my phone onto the speakers, it is only DAB which is missing for me as I have my iphone mounted in view and can use Waze etc easily enough.....
I've asked my installer if he can come up with a solution so I can bluetooth DAB radio off my phone onto the speakers, it is only DAB which is missing for me as I have my iphone mounted in view and can use Waze etc easily enough.....
TB993tt said:
I'll wait and have a look at Porsche's new 997 offering although I quite like the PCM 3 on the GT2 as it differentiates it as a 2009 production model.
I've asked my installer if he can come up with a solution so I can bluetooth DAB radio off my phone onto the speakers, it is only DAB which is missing for me as I have my iphone mounted in view and can use Waze etc easily enough.....
The Bovee 1000 I've asked my installer if he can come up with a solution so I can bluetooth DAB radio off my phone onto the speakers, it is only DAB which is missing for me as I have my iphone mounted in view and can use Waze etc easily enough.....
https://youtu.be/VLiZz57pABY
julian987R said:
The Bovee 1000
https://youtu.be/VLiZz57pABY
Thanks for that, unfortunately I did not spec any of those interface sockets in my GT2, I can't even remember them being available, I just went for the lightweight non Bose boggo stereo PCM 3.https://youtu.be/VLiZz57pABY
TB993tt said:
julian987R said:
The Bovee 1000
https://youtu.be/VLiZz57pABY
Thanks for that, unfortunately I did not spec any of those interface sockets in my GT2, I can't even remember them being available, I just went for the lightweight non Bose boggo stereo PCM 3.https://youtu.be/VLiZz57pABY
https://www.design911shop.com/Ipod-Interface-adapt...
and then the Bovee, though its going to get pricey.
or these folk might have a solution
https://www.mobridge.co.uk/mobridge-ipod-and-bluet...
So I contacted Nick of NM Automotive - who as mentioned before was super helpful - and I replaced my JoyeAuto unit with their one (which is indeed made by Unichip). It's definitely not the same hardware as JoyeAuto as the board in the PCM is completely different and the external wiring is somewhat simpler (it's powered from the PCM rather than finding a spare fuse slot which means by the time you start the car it's already initialised). It made fitting into the car quite a bit easier.
Overall feels like a much more polished product (especially the user interface), less like an add-on and more like it's directly integrated into the PCM and the display flickering I experienced with the JoyeAuto unit does not happen with the NMA one. The installation instructions are orders of magnitude better, as is the support. I'm much happier with this unit and would definitely recommend it - if nothing else than to have excellent support should you need it.
Overall feels like a much more polished product (especially the user interface), less like an add-on and more like it's directly integrated into the PCM and the display flickering I experienced with the JoyeAuto unit does not happen with the NMA one. The installation instructions are orders of magnitude better, as is the support. I'm much happier with this unit and would definitely recommend it - if nothing else than to have excellent support should you need it.
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