Anyone else bored with Tesla drivers 'racing' them?

Anyone else bored with Tesla drivers 'racing' them?

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Evo9lution

589 posts

107 months

Sunday 13th June
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Lincsls1 said:
... I hope at some point acceleration limiters become a thing.
I don't! I would much rather that people get taught to drive properly; and then to retain this skill rather than lose it through the inclusion of more and more 'nanny state' driver assistance intervention software!

MitchT

13,749 posts

176 months

Sunday 13th June
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Lincsls1 said:
I hope at some point acceleration limiters become a thing.
It does seem odd that you can now buy "white goods" cars that have the acceleration of a supercar but are often driven by people who have no interest in cars or driving. When you see clips of catastrophic attempts by seasoned petrolheads to get things like Mustangs and M4s off the line, you can't help but wonder how "soccer mom" manages when her Tesla Model X takes off like a Lamborghini!

Andyoz

1,983 posts

21 months

Monday 14th June
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EV's seem to weigh about half a tonne more than the equivalent ICE. That's alot of extra mass to damage other cars when it goes pear shaped.... although with the drivers aids I guess it should go wrong less frequently??!?

Do other EV manufacturers go on about their 0 to 60 times as much as Tesla? I thought the whole EV 'thing' was part of a bigger green agenda so why is that metric so important... It's all very strange

Lincsls1

2,085 posts

107 months

Monday 14th June
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Andyoz said:
EV's seem to weigh about half a tonne more than the equivalent ICE. That's alot of extra mass to damage other cars when it goes pear shaped.... although with the drivers aids I guess it should go wrong less frequently??!?

Do other EV manufacturers go on about their 0 to 60 times as much as Tesla? I thought the whole EV 'thing' was part of a bigger green agenda so why is that metric so important... It's all very strange
Exactly - to both points.
Surely if its all about being better for the environment, then smaller, less powerful motors would be used and the same batteries would last much longer? Smaller tyres, less drag etc.. But no, Tesla are creating cars that can hit 60 in 1.1seconds. Very useful. Not.
Very dangerous for average Joe I'd say.

hunter 66

3,432 posts

187 months

Monday 14th June
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Lot less dangerous than the 800 bhp ICE cars ....... which very young lad can crash . The EV thing is to reduce inner city pollution which kills and debilitates thousands every year ... that is all .
It is the future , and yes we can drive our slow noisy ICE cars on track still , which will be more fun . I have a 993 GT2R and a Race 996 GT3 RS , both unsilenced ...

Edited by hunter 66 on Monday 14th June 09:10

Andyoz

1,983 posts

21 months

Monday 14th June
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It will be interesting what 'fun' EV's start to come out from the big manufacturers once their initial volume seller SUV type things are established in the market.

The space needs to mature a bit. At present, it seems to be controlled by a slightly crazy/unpredictable guy !!!

superlightr

11,288 posts

230 months

Monday 14th June
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Had a nice drag off the lights at a roundabout with some white Tesla - they were in lane 2 and had a tighter rab line then me in lane 1. So I could put full power down all the way whereas I dont think he could.

Was even upto about 80 when I backed off. I was in my 911 - . He did carry on at 90+ into the distance so good on him. Its always fun to have a safe drag but once into 80+ speeds pretty pointless.


Had another white tesla car pull out of a T - junction in front of me when the gap was too tight - and I think he tried to floor it immediately (as he really shound't have pulled out) , it was wet, his rear went sideways for a fraction and then his car effectively stopped ! I managed to brake hard and after about 3 secs of 20mph he then shot off rapidly. (reset?) Lucky he didnt do this to a truck as it would not have stopped.

If Anyone with with an EV /tesla could confirm if this sounds like his traction control kicking in and cutting all power does it take a few seconds to reset go off in ludicours mode?

Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 11:59


Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 13:16

Andyoz

1,983 posts

21 months

Monday 14th June
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^^^ Great example of some issues that will occur as EV's and ICE cars mix over the next few years. Many of their drivers have never touched a performance car let alone a hyper car. It will be 'interesting'...maybe 'acceleration' limiters will be put in!!

Gary C

8,124 posts

146 months

Monday 14th June
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MG Ant said:

The 3 litre Essex in these cars was good for 138 bhp and around 170 lb ft... MGB was 95/110...
Of course, I was thinking of the older straight 6 OHV engine smile

The V6 might have helped a bit.

Gary C

8,124 posts

146 months

Monday 14th June
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Andyoz said:
It will be interesting what 'fun' EV's start to come out from the big manufacturers once their initial volume seller SUV type things are established in the market.

The space needs to mature a bit. At present, it seems to be controlled by a slightly crazy/unpredictable guy !!!
I agree. When the big players finally go all in to the market Tesla have created, it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

I want a small sports car with ~150hp and 300 mile range in economy mode, and 300hp in sports mode with an overdriven motor with clutch engaged shaft driven cooling that has programmed torque limits at lower RPM until the fan can deliver enough cooling for the tiny over driven motor such that you need a gearbox in sports mode for max performance wink (weight offset by the much smaller motor than normal for 300hp)

And for the motor to continue to run at a standstill to cool it and a fan that makes a nice noise as speed changes.

Won't happen though frown

superlightr

11,288 posts

230 months

Monday 14th June
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Gary C said:
I agree. When the big players finally go all in to the market Tesla have created, it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

I want a small sports car with ~150hp and 300 mile range in economy mode, and 300hp in sports mode with an overdriven motor with clutch engaged shaft driven cooling that has programmed torque limits at lower RPM until the fan can deliver enough cooling for the tiny over driven motor such that you need a gearbox in sports mode for max performance wink (weight offset by the much smaller motor than normal for 300hp)

And for the motor to continue to run at a standstill to cool it and a fan that makes a nice noise as speed changes.

Won't happen though frown
sounds like my overclocked pc i use at home - also has led's in the fans and case..

carpah

23 posts

71 months

Monday 14th June
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superlightr said:
Had a nice drag off the lights at a roundabout with some white Tesla - they were in lane 2 and had a tighter rab line then me in lane 1. So I could put full power down all the way whereas I dont think he could.

Was even upto about 80 when I backed off. I was in my 911 - . He did carry on at 90+ into the distance so good on him. Its always fun to have a safe drag but once into 80+ speeds pretty pointless.


Had another white tesla car pull out of a T - junction in front of me when the gap was too tight - and I think he tried to floor it immediately (as he really shound't have pulled out) , it was wet, his rear went sideways for a fraction and then his car effectively stopped ! I managed to brake hard and after about 3 secs of 20mph he then shot off rapidly. (reset?) Lucky he didnt do this to a truck as it would not have stopped.

If Anyone with with an EV /tesla could confirm if this sounds like his traction control kicking in and cutting all power does it take a few seconds to reset go off in ludicours mode?

Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 11:59


I've got a Tesla and a Porsche.

First point I would make is who cares what other people think? I am sure there is a good proportion of the population who think Porsche drivers are tw@ts. Again, who cares?

In answer to superlightr, I think the danger that a Tesla presents is the ability to pull out of junctions very quickly when there is a "gap". Other road users in the main flow aren't that used to it and think you are being danger (which, to be fair, you probably are if you are surprising them). I haven't had any traction control issues when turning and acceleration.

I would say a dangerous element is the phantom braking that occurs when you have the active cruise on. The Tesla seems to get spooked by all sorts of things and apply the brakes, especially shadows under bridges. Porsche system is much better.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 13:16

findtomdotcom

427 posts

207 months

Wednesday 16th June
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Grant1979 said:
does anyone else have their driver's continually 'proving a point' off lights etc?
Yes! Happens all the time. Turns out it’s my wife in her Model 3 Performance and it can very nearly keep up with my 992 C4S! Very frustrating, but I think I fixed it. I have ordered a 992 Turbo S for delivery early next year.

That should solve the issue?

WCZ

8,673 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th June
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findtomdotcom said:
Yes! Happens all the time. Turns out it’s my wife in her Model 3 Performance and it can very nearly keep up with my 992 C4S! Very frustrating, but I think I fixed it. I have ordered a 992 Turbo S for delivery early next year.

That should solve the issue?
should give you breathing room for 1-2 years smile

hunter 66

3,432 posts

187 months

Wednesday 16th June
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Interesting to watch Randy Probst , lapping in the Tesla S Plaid at Laguna Seca ..... wow it is so fast , makes the GT4 Clubsport , look very pedestrian . But personally I like very slow and noisy ....

hunter 66

3,432 posts

187 months

Monday 21st June
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Many Drag strips in the US now banning the Tesla S Plaid , as simply too fast for safety reasons .......... as 9 sec and over 150 , they need to fit a cage and parachute legally , so drivers have to back off and break before the line to not break the regulations .

Grantstown

433 posts

54 months

Monday 21st June
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findtomdotcom said:
Grant1979 said:
does anyone else have their driver's continually 'proving a point' off lights etc?
Yes! Happens all the time. Turns out it’s my wife in her Model 3 Performance and it can very nearly keep up with my 992 C4S! Very frustrating, but I think I fixed it. I have ordered a 992 Turbo S for delivery early next year.

That should solve the issue?
Personally I would say buy a RWD 911 of any sort as it’ll be more fun. But, of relevance to your situation...

When first looking for a 911 I had a couple of good chats with a guy I knew who’d been an OPC mechanic for 30 years. His answer to more or less any question was, ‘Don’t bother, just get the turbo and then it’s job done. You don’t want someone to have you in their shopping car!’

He also felt they were build to last mechanically when compared to Carreras. I’m not so sure, but then he’s got a lot of experience to draw on.

dgswk

639 posts

61 months

Monday 21st June
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carpah said:
superlightr said:
Had a nice drag off the lights at a roundabout with some white Tesla - they were in lane 2 and had a tighter rab line then me in lane 1. So I could put full power down all the way whereas I dont think he could.

Was even upto about 80 when I backed off. I was in my 911 - . He did carry on at 90+ into the distance so good on him. Its always fun to have a safe drag but once into 80+ speeds pretty pointless.


Had another white tesla car pull out of a T - junction in front of me when the gap was too tight - and I think he tried to floor it immediately (as he really shound't have pulled out) , it was wet, his rear went sideways for a fraction and then his car effectively stopped ! I managed to brake hard and after about 3 secs of 20mph he then shot off rapidly. (reset?) Lucky he didnt do this to a truck as it would not have stopped.

If Anyone with with an EV /tesla could confirm if this sounds like his traction control kicking in and cutting all power does it take a few seconds to reset go off in ludicours mode?

Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 11:59


I've got a Tesla and a Porsche.

First point I would make is who cares what other people think? I am sure there is a good proportion of the population who think Porsche drivers are tw@ts. Again, who cares?

In answer to superlightr, I think the danger that a Tesla presents is the ability to pull out of junctions very quickly when there is a "gap". Other road users in the main flow aren't that used to it and think you are being danger (which, to be fair, you probably are if you are surprising them). I haven't had any traction control issues when turning and acceleration.

I would say a dangerous element is the phantom braking that occurs when you have the active cruise on. The Tesla seems to get spooked by all sorts of things and apply the brakes, especially shadows under bridges. Porsche system is much better.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 14th June 13:16
This is actually pretty close to what I've experienced. I'm two weeks into Polestar 2 ownership (and have a 992 C2S); the Polestar, which isn't anywhere near as accelerative as some Tesla's, still absolutely surprises people with its immediacy, I have had absolutely no loss of traction so far at all, and trust be I've tried. Nothing. Literally, a clumsy stamp on the throttle and you are gone, not even a squeak from the tyres. Damp conditions, similar, no loss of traction experienced at all (but not driven it quite as hard). Very weird / impressive / dull / funny, depending on mood.

My friend followed me a couple of nights ago in his 2019 V8 Mustang (450bhp?). Turning right on a large roundabout, with a clear dual carriageway ahead, I just clumsily stamped on the throttle just past the apex and I'm gone, must have put 500-600yds on him over a mile and a half and that's with me backing off before silly speeds were reached. He was stunned, couldn't believe how it went off the roundabout and how much air it put between us. Apparently he fluffed a gear change..... I swear it would keep the 992 honest, it is very impressive and very very easy. The Tesla Plaid must be just insane.

Adaptive cruise - ghost braking - yeah it does that and I get quite embarrassed by it, especially when you move back from the outside to middle lane, and it gets spooked by a 56mph HGV on the inside. I feel I need to apologise to drivers behind me. Never had adaptive cruise before, so guessing its not just an EV thing. The adaptive cruise does seem help getting the range out of it, and its extremely relaxing for daily duties.






Cliffe60

1,277 posts

3 months

Monday 21st June
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I was in Bergen in Norway a couple of years ago. Despite being an oil town, it’s also probably the capital of EV world. Every other car seemed to be a Tesla, and the Tesla dealership was the biggest car dealer I’ve ever seen.
Anyway , virtually all roads are single carriage way, 80kph limit and loads of cameras. So we’re driving round at around 70, but every so often, a Tesla is tailgating. Then at a hint of a straight, they’d blast past with their massive acceleration, but then hit the brakes and continue at the same speed we were doing. This happened over and over again.

Terminator X

11,157 posts

171 months

Monday 21st June
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Gary C said:
Never

Mostly they are conserving charge so taking it easy wink
Same here, I've yet to see a single EV leap away from the lights.

TX.