Why so much negativity on here about the 981?

Why so much negativity on here about the 981?

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Romo

200 posts

84 months

Sunday 13th June
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cossers said:
Seems it’s the same thing every time, the steering! some just can’t understand that other don’t find it as much as an issue as themselves


I’m not trying to say it’s in any way as good as the 987 or others but as I said before, I’ve no issues with it whatsoever

Ps I’ve no issue with the negative comments on here, that’s their opinion and that’s totally ok with me, its just some will actually argue with you that you are completely incorrect in not having an issue with thr steering when you find it perfectly ok! Go figure....



Edited by cossers on Sunday 13th June 12:14
I only speak for my self.

I only act for my self

I only buy a car for myself.

Of course some people like the 981 steering, I'm perfectly allright with that, I respect every other opinion on the steering, but I do respect my own opinion i.c. feeling the most :-) and I didn't like the steering nor the feel of it. No offense.

Enjoy driving and sty save !

Edited by Romo on Sunday 13th June 16:53

cossers

2,684 posts

108 months

Sunday 13th June
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Romo said:
cossers said:
Seems it’s the same thing every time, the steering! some just can’t understand that other don’t find it as much as an issue as themselves


I’m not trying to say it’s in any way as good as the 987 or others but as I said before, I’ve no issues with it whatsoever

Ps I’ve no issue with the negative comments on here, that’s their opinion and that’s totally ok with me, its just some will actually argue with you that you are completely incorrect in not having an issue with thr steering when you find it perfectly ok! Go figure....



Edited by cossers on Sunday 13th June 12:14
I only speak for my self.

I only act for my self

I only buy a car for myself.

Of course some people like the 981 steering, I'm perfectly allright with that, I respect every other opinion on the steering, but I do respect my own opinion i.c. feeling the most :-) and I didn't like the steering nor the feel of it. No offense.

Enjoy driving and sty save !

Edited by Romo on Sunday 13th June 16:53
I’ve no issues with your comment at all bud :-)

At least You can give it in a way that is not just blanket offensive to many, there’s lots that I don’t like about many cars that people post on here but it’s their pride and joy, I’m not going to piss all over their parade no matter what I think, some on here just plough in and don’t care who they offend, most can be constructive even when pointing out fault, some just set out to be offensive.

Romo

200 posts

84 months

Sunday 13th June
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We agree :-)

Just enjoy ICE as long as possible !

cossers

2,684 posts

108 months

Sunday 13th June
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Romo said:
We agree :-)

Just enjoy ICE as long as possible !
On that point we do agree beer

Schmed

2,531 posts

40 months

Sunday 13th June
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In my view, the thing about the 981 is that the 718 is better. F4, F6, whatever. Far better, much improved, better steering, handling etc, and that comment seems to rub the sensitive 981 owners up the wrong way sometimes, feeling defensive about having their ‘p&j’ (in their minds) insulted.

Now all well and good and fair enough you say. Or not. But please bear with me, some of these same 981 owners (not cossers afaik) had no such problems bashing the 718 at every opportunity when it came out a couple of years back or so and no compunction at all insulting others’ ‘p&js’. Pot, kettle...?

Personally I think the same thing seems to happen each time Porsche change something, the move to water cooling for example. Bottom line is everybody wants to talk up their cars and are often unable to take criticism. As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread, they are thoroughly invested. I suppose these forums are ultimately just excellent ongoing examples of ‘Choice-supportive bias’, (if you study psychology.)

So all fairly pointless really. However I think where owners have owned different cars and can also explain their rationale for changing, including the negative feedback, then this can be useful info.

So is not really negativity at all, just progress. Looking forward to the ICE vs EV debates then. Ymmv of course, etc.


cossers

2,684 posts

108 months

Sunday 13th June
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Schmed said:
In my view, the thing about the 981 is that the 718 is better. F4, F6, whatever. Far better, much improved, better steering, handling etc, and that comment seems to rub the sensitive 981 owners up the wrong way sometimes, feeling defensive about having their ‘p&j’ (in their minds) insulted.

Now all well and good and fair enough you say. Or not. But please bear with me, some of these same 981 owners (not cossers afaik) had no such problems bashing the 718 at every opportunity when it came out a couple of years back or so and no compunction at all insulting others’ ‘p&js’. Pot, kettle...?

Personally I think the same thing seems to happen each time Porsche change something, the move to water cooling for example. Bottom line is everybody wants to talk up their cars and are often unable to take criticism. As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread, they are thoroughly invested. I suppose these forums are ultimately just excellent ongoing examples of ‘Choice-supportive bias’, (if you study psychology.)

So all fairly pointless really. However I think where owners have owned different cars and can also explain their rationale for changing, including the negative feedback, then this can be useful info.

So is not really negativity at all, just progress. Looking forward to the ICE vs EV debates then. Ymmv of course, etc.
Thanks for noticing that I don’t knock others cars, totally accept your views bud and I know on the other thread I went off on one a bit rofl



Royal Jelly

2,968 posts

166 months

Monday 14th June
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I don’t think there is much negativity about the 981. There certainly wasn’t when it was the current model. There is no debate that it has been a very highly regarded & critically acclaimed car since launch - it proved it’s point.

The apparent negativity comes from the fact that we’re comparing it to a new model, which is obviously an improvement across the board (like any new Porsche model), but because it’s been given that rough F4 engine, folks are in the uncommon position of debating whether they’d prefer the newer model to its predecessor. That doesn’t happen very often - and that’s why it causes the consternation it does.

YMMV, but to many, the engine is the soul of a performance car. The 9A1 is a peach, opinions on the F4 vary. I think it’s great as a daily driver engine, but it falls far short of giving my what I want.

As an aside I drove a GTS 4.0 yesterday, and there’s absolutely no doubt that that car is a master stroke (except the vents!).


Edited by Royal Jelly on Monday 14th June 08:14

981Boxess

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9,385 posts

226 months

Monday 14th June
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Schmed said:
In my view, the thing about the 981 is that the 718 is better. F4, F6, whatever. Far better, much improved, better steering, handling etc, and that comment seems to rub the sensitive 981 owners up the wrong way sometimes, feeling defensive about having their ‘p&j’ (in their minds) insulted.

Now all well and good and fair enough you say. Or not. But please bear with me, some of these same 981 owners (not cossers afaik) had no such problems bashing the 718 at every opportunity when it came out a couple of years back or so and no compunction at all insulting others’ ‘p&js’. Pot, kettle...?

Personally I think the same thing seems to happen each time Porsche change something, the move to water cooling for example. Bottom line is everybody wants to talk up their cars and are often unable to take criticism. As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread, they are thoroughly invested. I suppose these forums are ultimately just excellent ongoing examples of ‘Choice-supportive bias’, (if you study psychology.)

So all fairly pointless really. However I think where owners have owned different cars and can also explain their rationale for changing, including the negative feedback, then this can be useful info.

So is not really negativity at all, just progress. Looking forward to the ICE vs EV debates then. Ymmv of course, etc.
I was very fortunate to find myself standing in a OPC earlier this year with a choice of two cars to buy, for exactly the same money. One was a Boxter S 981, the other a Boxster 718, I could have bought either, it was my choice.

The 718 was the obvious choice, newer, should be better next evolution etc etc. The 981 was older, had an extra owner so on paper not the one to have. I drove both cars and chose the 981 for reasons I have no intentions of having to arguing out on here. I don’t study psychology but I believe it is generally known as putting your money where your mouth is.
Was I caught like some rabbit in the headlights with all that shiny metal/glass around me and made a terrible mistake, unlikely, I spent decades in the motor trade and have driven a few cars in my time. I checked my medication, it was all up to date and in order so it wasn’t that either. I chose what I preferred to drive, I wish I could make it more complicated than that.

Do I think I am right and you are wrong, no, because you spent your money on what you wanted and I am glad to hear you are enjoying it. Would I run down any car someone else has bought and owns, no, why would I (genuine question?).

IMO the right way to look at this is that the Boxster does the strictly two seater convertible thing better than any other car, whatever incarnation suits you best is what you should buy. There is no such thing as a bad version, there are just different ones.


981Boxess

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9,385 posts

226 months

Monday 14th June
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Holgate86 said:
I had a 981 Boxster Black Edition, didn't enjoy the ownership experience at all, car was only average IMHO to drive, engineering and quality vastly over hyped, dealers and other Porsche owners pretty terrible too....couldn't even fit Zunsport grills or have a tyre repaired without the Porsche warranty boys on the case....just waiting for the engine mounts to fail......

As an all round package I'd put a 981 Boxster below the following cars I've owned the last 20 years...S3 Lotus Elise, Honda S2000, R172 Mercedes SLK55 (x2), Mercedes W205 C63 and finally my new Toyota GR Yaris CP. (Might even put it below my Mk2 Escort 1600 Sport).
Can't comment on your ownership/dealer experience as a lot of that will have been determined by you as a customer, as someone who has spent decades on the other side of the fence let me assure you there are always two sides to that story.

No offence, but as someone who owned 4 x RS2000s if you genuinely think a Mk2 Escort is better car than a 981 Boxster in any way then I will have to respond with this rofl

Stunters

403 posts

162 months

Monday 14th June
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981Boxess said:
an't comment on your ownership/dealer experience as a lot of that will have been determined by you as a customer, as someone who has spent decades on the other side of the fence let me assure you there are always two sides to that story.

No offence, but as someone who owned 4 x RS2000s if you genuinely think a Mk2 Escort is better car than a 981 Boxster in any way then I will have to respond with this rofl
Well - It's narrower, easier to see out of, can carry more than two passengers, probably has better steering feel, and is probably easier and more enjoyable to drift... smile

981SPYGANG

45 posts

18 months

Monday 14th June
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Stunters said:
Well - It's narrower, easier to see out of, can carry more than two passengers, probably has better steering feel, and is probably easier and more enjoyable to drift... smile
If it’s ‘narrower’ it must be better.

cossers

2,684 posts

108 months

Monday 14th June
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981SPYGANG said:
Stunters said:
Well - It's narrower, easier to see out of, can carry more than two passengers, probably has better steering feel, and is probably easier and more enjoyable to drift... smile
If it’s ‘narrower’ it must be better.
Didn’t realise they had improved so much in time over the one I owned years ago.


Edited by cossers on Monday 14th June 22:26

Redarress

592 posts

175 months

Monday 14th June
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supersport said:
It's all just bks anyway.

Years ago the magazines used to slag of the 964RS and you could them up for pence. Probably everyone kept spouting the same guff, now look at them.

When those funny kettle came along (rofl) a lot of air cooled folk got very shouty, even worse when the 4x4 came along.

At the end of the day they are all great cars, even the tips, and there is really very little between them.
Read all about it “Man talks sense on a Pistonheads thread shocker.” smilesmile

981Boxess

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9,385 posts

226 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Stunters said:
981Boxess said:
Can't comment on your ownership/dealer experience as a lot of that will have been determined by you as a customer, as someone who has spent decades on the other side of the fence let me assure you there are always two sides to that story.

No offence, but as someone who owned 4 x RS2000s if you genuinely think a Mk2 Escort is better car than a 981 Boxster in any way then I will have to respond with this rofl
Well - It's narrower, easier to see out of, can carry more than two passengers, probably has better steering feel, and is probably easier and more enjoyable to drift... smile
If you want to go down that road you could probably say the same about a Tuk Tuk, but I wouldn't have said that was better than a 981 either, no doubt some clueless individual will hehe

I have never driven a car that didn't have something going for it, a Mk2 is simple to repair, other than that I am struggling. That said if someone wants to pay what they sell for today good luck to them, enjoy, but I am unlikely to be taking any advice on what car to buy from them.

Four Litre

1,588 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Anyone who really slates the 981 basically hasn't driven one or if they have it must of had serious problems to be rated badly.

Sure there are better cars out there, but its a real 9-10 car in all reality. What is not to like?! Look at the reviews, pretty much consistently 5 out of 5. There may be parts that don't appeal to a small group but that's life and you cant keep everyone happy.

I cant take anyone seriously who tells me its crap, it just isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

mr pg

1,757 posts

173 months

Tuesday 15th June
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nickv8 said:
Interested! Was this another option? I have the sports wheel(?) which, pleasingly, is very plain and devoid of other controls. But the metal paddles are fixed to the column.

I’m aware of the wheel with buttons (standard).

Please can you post an image of your wheel with paddles, please?
Sport design wheel comes with paddles attached to wheel. Porsche don't have a wheel with paddles on the column.

981Boxess

Original Poster:

9,385 posts

226 months

Wednesday 16th June
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mr pg said:
nickv8 said:
................. I have the sports wheel(?) which, pleasingly, is very plain and devoid of other controls. But the metal paddles are fixed to the column.
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...............Porsche don't have a wheel with paddles on the column.
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Skin981

25 posts

8 months

Wednesday 16th June
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I waited 54 years to buy my dream car and couldn’t give a censored what other people think

Venisonpie

1,511 posts

50 months

Wednesday 16th June
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Four Litre said:
Anyone who really slates the 981 basically hasn't driven one or if they have it must of had serious problems to be rated badly.

Sure there are better cars out there, but its a real 9-10 car in all reality. What is not to like?! Look at the reviews, pretty much consistently 5 out of 5. There may be parts that don't appeal to a small group but that's life and you cant keep everyone happy.

I cant take anyone seriously who tells me its crap, it just isn't by any stretch of the imagination.
I owned one from new so assume it didn't have any issues. I didn't rate it due to gearing, lack of steering feel, tyre roar, lack of overall engagement, fiddly switchgear. It's biggest asset is practicality and usability but exciting, not for me.

cossers

2,684 posts

108 months

Wednesday 16th June
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Venisonpie said:
I owned one from new so assume it didn't have any issues. I didn't rate it due to gearing, lack of steering feel, tyre roar, lack of overall engagement, fiddly switchgear. It's biggest asset is practicality and usability but exciting, not for me.
And you still have it in your current fleet? You must never quit keeping that lot on the road.

Edited by cossers on Wednesday 16th June 21:13