944T/968 how many years owned?

944T/968 how many years owned?

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blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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I've owned my 944 turbo 11 years,and it's closing in on the 13 years I owned a 3dr RS Cosworth. Sometimes I think about replacing it with a 4wd 5 cylinder Audi with a fancy gearbox, but speed isn't everything, right?

SRT Hellcat

6,422 posts

176 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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I think I owned my silver rose for 6 months. It was a long time ago.
Never really gelled with it

DKL

3,798 posts

181 months

Sunday 15th December 2019
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About 2008, so much the same time. Its done about 40k in that time.

968CS

130 posts

138 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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Owned my 968 CS since 2005.......been in the garage since 2015 ...... must make an effort in 2020 to get it off SORN.

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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I've done 20k in the 11 years I've owned my 944. Checking the MOT history a few years back I'd been doing under 1k a year in it. Decided then to use it more. Just had another new set of Michelin N3 PS2's fitted, surprisingly £200 cheaper than 6 years ago.

Steve 944T

138 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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I have owned my 944 Turbo S for 15 years, covered about 50k miles in that time

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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For me they are a car for dry open roads, I'd soon fall out of love with mine if I used it regularly in stop start traffic.

hartech

1,875 posts

176 months

Sunday 22nd December 2019
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Superb strong cars and just about the only weaknesses were cam belts (common to type), cam chains (944S, S2 and 68) and one to look out for - the head gasket.

The gasket rots away and when it does it allows the coolant to short circuit and miss out flowing back to the rear cylinders which overheat and will eventually seize wrecking the engine.

Oh and the gearbox pinion bearings can get noisy but easy to fix.

One of the best range of cars Porsche ever built.

Baz


blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Sunday 22nd December 2019
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Good to see you still have an interest in the 944 Baz. In my cars history there's a couple of engineer reports, some servicing/belts, and a head gasket replacement, all by your shop smile.

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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1990 944 turbo owned since 2007.
The car retains its standard full interior & exterior but with various bespoke modifications.

Nearing the end of a full mechanical restoration at Gantspeed Engineering.

Still a matching numbers car but now...

(1) 2.7 litre using Mahle 104mm pistons;
(2) Closed Deck Darton MID sleeves;
(3) Carrillo rods;
(4) Garrett GTX3576 Gen 2 turbo
(5) Emtron KV8 ECU - sequential ignition & Injection;
(6) Dry Sumped - Lindsey Racing;
(7) Intake, Big-valve N/A cylinder head, headers & exhaust (3" S/S) - Speed Force Racing (SFR);
(8) Guard Transmission 50/80 LSD;
(9) KW Club sport coilers & top mounts;
(10) Elephant Racing sphericals throughout;
(11) Tarett anti-roll bars;
(12) SFR Stage 2 fuel system - 3 x Bosch 044 fuel pumps with swirl pot;
(13) Injector Dynamics 1300x injectors;
(14) Speed Force Racing Stage 2 Front Mount Intercooler;
(15) Setrab 925 oil cooler;
(16) KEP Stage1 Pressure Plate & clutch (organic);
(17) New water & power steering pumps;
(18) Smaller alternator to work with dry sump system;
(19) Factory reconditioned steering rack;
(20) New billet aluminium front control arms;
(21) New M030 stub axles;
(22) Big Blacks with RS29's;
(23) Wizard Alloy radiator with new twin fans;
(24) Setrab gearbox oil cooler;
(25) New master cylinders for clutch & brakes & new clutch save cylinder;
(26) New brake booster & firewall reinforcement kit & booster support bracket;
(27) Porsche18' Hollowspoke 993 wheels & new Fuchs 18" wheels - running 225/40/18 & 265/35/18 Yokohama A048 & A050 respectively;
(28) Raceware studs;
(29) New CV joints;
(30) New wheel bearings;
(31) Gearbox reseal;
(32) New torque tube bearings;
(33) New Hi-Torque starter motor;
(34)New fuel & hydraulic lines throughout;
(35) Lindsey Racing Ultra Mounts for engine & gearbox;
(36) Clewett Crank Trigger & cam trigger kit;
(37) TTV Racing flywheel with 60-2 trigger;
(38) Various short-shift kits plus new Porsche shift rod & linkages;
(39) Remote oil filter.

Plus other odds & ends associated with a full engine rebuild, new wiring harnesses etc.


blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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How long has it been off the road for. And any reason for not using a 3.0 crank?

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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Hi Blade, I bought it in 2007 & then never really used it - just dry stored it as the restoration of a listed house & various other projects took priority.

I had been collecting parts since 2007 & then sent the car to Gantspeed about 18 months ago & they started work on the project in November 2018. There have been stand-down periods as they've worked on other projects like a full restoration of the third 911 delivered new to the UK plus their usual 356 restorations etc.

I chose to avoid the 3 litre crank because the 2.5 crank is stiffer, stronger, smoother, doesn't introduce undesirable harmonics & keeps the engine more over-square & revvier! I also wanted to keep the factory crank as I want there to be a direct connection between this car as delivered from the factory new & its tuned state.

At 3 litres the 8-valve head becomes the bottle-neck, in which case you may as well go 16-valve with all the additional fabrication & expense that entails.

My brief was to keep this a tuned matching numbers car rather than go the full "Frankenstein" & use a turbo'ed 968 block & head.

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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I've never heard that the 3.0 crank is inferior to the 2.5, providing the correct crank pulley is used. And I think the 104mm block is a better design. I also think the 2.7 head/block was destined for greater things, until the 968 was shelved.

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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I wouldn't say it's inferior, but increasing the throw so as to increase the stroke has some side-effects which
needn't be an issue if the engine is operated within its designed rpm range, is balanced & a harmonic dampener used.

There are obvious upsides to the increased capacity - but my priorities were not about maximum power & torque at all costs.

james0

276 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd December 2019
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Hi Blade7 and Baz. Had my Turbo around 10 years, it was one of Hartechs customers cars that was an abandoned project.
1986, 968 block and pistons with 2.7 head. I've just put the second clutch in it during my ownership, it's cosmetically challenged in places but that adds to the charm.

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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Penguinracer said:
I wouldn't say it's inferior, but increasing the throw so as to increase the stroke has some side-effects which
needn't be an issue if the engine is operated within its designed rpm range, is balanced & a harmonic dampener used.

There are obvious upsides to the increased capacity - but my priorities were not about maximum power & torque at all costs.
The standard S2 crank pulley incorporates a harmonic dampener.



I made sure the 3.0 crank I've got came with it.

Edited by blade7 on Tuesday 24th December 00:34

blade7

Original Poster:

9,756 posts

175 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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james0 said:
Hi Blade7 and Baz. Had my Turbo around 10 years, it was one of Hartechs customers cars that was an abandoned project.
1986, 968 block and pistons with 2.7 head. I've just put the second clutch in it during my ownership,
You should fit some low comp pistons and a put big turbo on it James wink.

hartech

1,875 posts

176 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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james0 is that our 3 litre turbo we built and if so it would be great to know how you have got on with it since and how the performance was handled by the transmission etc.

If it is it already has modified pistons to create the right C/R for the boost pressure used.

It was the subject of a favourable road test at the time and listed as one of the reporters favourite test cars.

Baz

james0

276 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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Hi Baz, not one of yours. It was Bens old car (the black one), so no engine and a massive box of bits when I got it.
It's still using the original higher compression pistons, running slightly lower boost and standalone management.

james0

276 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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Blade, maybe next time I have to do major work on it.