944 turbo, underrated?

944 turbo, underrated?

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Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Friday 17th April
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The Ur Quattro was a technologically more adventurous car than the 951.

If I compare my cars - they're both 1990 - but the Quattro is twin cam, 4-valves per cylinder, sequential injection & ignition, water-cooled turbo, switchable ABS & the suspension was set-up by Jorge Bensinger who went on to engineer the suspension for the E30 M3.

Once you're on demanding, twisty, heavily cambered, undulating & variously surfaced roads in all weathers then the Quattro's suspension compliance, travel, traction & reduced lag (max torque comes in at 1950 rpm for the 20 valve) make it one of the great driver's cars.

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Friday 17th April
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andy97 said:
This is getting tiresome so will be my last response on this. No, it was a great car, why would i have said it was great on track if it was knackered.
And the instructor i used to take with me, a former Britcar champion and British GT4 racer was also impressed by the car on track.
Penguin racer appears to agree with me on overall capabilities.
Just to confirm what I already knew, I checked a youtube comparison of the Ur Quattro v RS2 v RS3, the Ur was the slowest. The 20v top speed is 143mph, 20mph slower than a 944 turbo. You can bluster all you like, fact is the Quattro's is ultimately compromised by it's engines location. Do you like understeer?

Kawasicki

8,142 posts

194 months

Friday 17th April
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I drove my 944 Turbo (with M030) on some very poor b roads...at some very high average speeds.

It was bloody excellent.

Just saying!

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Friday 17th April
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I've used an Ur Quattro in the snow a good bit (New Zealand).

I'd summarise to say that the 951 is the better choice for tuning for the track but as road car for driving on interesting roads, as opposed to motorways, A-roads & dual carriageways, the Ur Quattro is one of the greats.

It's also supremely stable at high speed & tracks arrow-straight at max speed. I recall getting airborne off an undulation at 140 mph at a certain location (not the UK) trundling home in the dead of night - and it was so stable it wasn't remotely concerning. The revs rose as the wheels spun, it touched down easily without bottoming out & continued on as if it was nothing.

Go to Harry's Garage & look at his reviews of both the Quattro Sport & the Ur Quattro - they have him grinning from ear-to-ear with their relaxed compliance, grip & confidence-inspiring handling.

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Friday 17th April
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Penguinracer said:
the Ur Quattro is one of the greats.
Was one of the greats. A 3 cylinder Fiesta is as good on a dry road today.

Edited by blade7 on Friday 17th April 19:47

Kawasicki

8,142 posts

194 months

Friday 17th April
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blade7 said:
Penguinracer said:
the Ur Quattro is one of the greats.
Was one of the greats. A 3 cylinder Fiesta is as good on a dry road today.

Edited by blade7 on Friday 17th April 19:47
That’s progress for you.

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Friday 17th April
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Paul, as enthusiasts (and no one is coming down on the 951 here, as it is perhaps one of the most underrated Porsches) surely most of us agree that while performance moves one such that prosaic family vehicles ultimately attain the performance of yesterday's supercars, it is the look, feel, sound and sensation of speed which makes the old aristocrats special, which elevates them above the humdrum.

Sure an Impreza or Evo will give a GTB275/4 cam a bloody nose - but which will feel more special to drive? Which will provide that feel good factor?

One acid test would be - It's the end of the world & you've been allocated the last gallon of fuel to drive just one internal combustion engined car - what will it be?

Tim

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Saturday 18th April
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Tim, you and andy97 came onto my 944 turbo thread claiming the Ur Quattro is a faster road car. Having never driven the Audi, my closest comparison is my friends 5 cylinder RS3. Despite asking both of you how the Ur would compare, the pair of you conveniently ignored that question. If you had said the Quattro is nicer to drive, better in the wet, or sounds better I'd have no issue with that. However the facts are, the 944 accelerates faster, has a much higher top speed, and a much better balanced chassis. And it's a nonsense to suggest that only applies on a track.

ras62

1,013 posts

115 months

Saturday 18th April
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came onto my 944 turbo thread......LMAO. Scoundrels those Quattro boys.

FWIW a 20v Quattro is in a different league for desirability to the 944T as prices clearly show.

Penguinracer

992 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th April
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Hi Paul, I made no claim that the Ur Quattro was faster than anything. Please quote where I made such a claim. My comment was just that the Ur Quattro is an extremely dynamic & enjoyable road car. I’ll leave it there as that was all I was saying based on my experience.
I think the 951 adapts well to the track & the Ur Quattro is truly enjoyable on challenging roads.
To me there’s no competition between them, like most automotive choices, people have subjective preferences.
Getting back to the topic of the thread, I think the 951 has become more highly appreciated over the last four years & that has been reflected in an uplift in their values which hopefully results in more of them being restored or at least better maintained .

IMI A

8,065 posts

160 months

Saturday 18th April
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Front lights bonnet not aligned. Velvet red I like too but its marmite. Be interesting to see what she makes and more about the history.

IMI A

8,065 posts

160 months

Saturday 18th April
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blade7 said:
Penguinracer said:
I'd summarise to say that the 951 is the better choice for tuning for the track but as road car for driving on interesting roads, as opposed to motorways, A-roads & dual carriageways, the Ur Quattro is one of the greats.
Prove it...
How many world Rally championships has the turbo won hence values but this should settle it smile

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes-t...

blade7

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9,756 posts

175 months

Saturday 18th April
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IMI A said:
blade7 said:
Penguinracer said:
I'd summarise to say that the 951 is the better choice for tuning for the track but as road car for driving on interesting roads, as opposed to motorways, A-roads & dual carriageways, the Ur Quattro is one of the greats.
Prove it...
How many world Rally championships has the turbo won hence values but this should settle it smile

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes-t...
How many WRC rounds did the 944 turbo enter?

blade7

Original Poster:

9,756 posts

175 months

Saturday 18th April
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Thread highjackers, it's all yours now....

MarkKo

150 posts

156 months

Tuesday 18th August
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Just saw this thread,
I ran a 944 Turbo S in the 2010 CSCC Future Classic series as a complete novice, it was road legal converted road car and had only light performance mods and ran a safe unstressed 1 bar boost with a simple and economical GAZ race suspension.
Raced for a whole season with no DNF, was very competitive against some proper dedicated racecars on similar road tyres, Lotus Esprit( full monty racecar), various 911s,Aston Martin,928s and it generally held its own against some experienced "known"pilots..
My response to OP question ,yes its massively underrated and Huge fun to drive quickly, It finished the Spa summer classic 1 hr race up amongst the Caterhams and came first in the future Classics class in that race, in torrential rain and on road tyres .
Raced a 968 for 4 years after was not quite as much fun, would love to race a 944 turbo again one day. Still got a couple of road versions so maybe i am biased..

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Tuesday 18th August
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This was the car that came from Alasdair wasnt it Mark? I bought the engine but it never turned up (I didnt pay for it).

GC8

19,397 posts

149 months

Tuesday 18th August
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E972 MAS

blade7

Original Poster:

9,756 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th August
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[quote=MarkKo]

My response to OP question ,yes its massively underrated and Huge fun to drive quickly.

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Cheburator mk2

2,613 posts

158 months

Wednesday 19th August
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MarkKo said:
Just saw this thread,
I ran a 944 Turbo S in the 2010 CSCC Future Classic series as a complete novice, it was road legal converted road car and had only light performance mods and ran a safe unstressed 1 bar boost with a simple and economical GAZ race suspension.
Raced for a whole season with no DNF, was very competitive against some proper dedicated racecars on similar road tyres, Lotus Esprit( full monty racecar), various 911s,Aston Martin,928s and it generally held its own against some experienced "known"pilots..
My response to OP question ,yes its massively underrated and Huge fun to drive quickly, It finished the Spa summer classic 1 hr race up amongst the Caterhams and came first in the future Classics class in that race, in torrential rain and on road tyres .
Raced a 968 for 4 years after was not quite as much fun, would love to race a 944 turbo again one day. Still got a couple of road versions so maybe i am biased..
That Blue car was a bloody nuisance! tongue out

Effortlessly quick and well driven... bow

Come back - even bigger grids and not enough Turbos...

Definitely getting my 944T back for next year... Finally got the rose jointing of the rear sorted... And then it's off to Wayne for a proper mapping. Hoping for some decent numbers...

Alex