968 clubsport or 944 turbo

968 clubsport or 944 turbo

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NIgt3

Original Poster:

474 posts

141 months

Sunday 28th March
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If you had to buy one of these, which one would it be and why? Have a bit of spare cash and I’m thinking of one, weekend drives and a bit of cleaning, maybe keep it for 5 years and move it on, all views welcome!

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Sunday 28th March
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I don't get the fascination with the 968 for track work. It's heavier than an S2, and even optioned up, the suspension,LSD and brakes are only equal to a 250 bhp 944 turbo. Perhaps the power delivery is more friendly than the turbo, but an easily accessible 300 bhp will pull away on the straights.

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Monday 29th March
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That is a tough one ... the 968 Clubsport is already at a premium.

A nice 944 Turbo Silver Rose probably has somewhere to go ... and may be a better car for road work.

For track ? 968CS .. but there are plenty of Sport to Clubsport "conversions" around.

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Monday 29th March
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blade7 said:
I don't get the fascination with the 968 for track work. It's heavier than an S2, and even optioned up, the suspension,LSD and brakes are only equal to a 250 bhp 944 turbo. Perhaps the power delivery is more friendly than the turbo, but an easily accessible 300 bhp will pull away on the straights.
I can see your point ... in the Porsche Club Championship the 968's did almost take over from the 944's ??

Kawasicki

9,599 posts

202 months

Monday 29th March
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I test drove both and bought a 944 turbo SE with M030. They cost the same. The 944 was much faster and more focused. I also thought it looked better.

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Monday 29th March
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I certainly agree that the style of the 944 has aged better than the 968.

However, I recently bought a 944 Turbo Cup which was an Italian car that I've just registered for road use in the UK ... a bit of a coincidence on the registration number that's allocated !

Pics to follow ....









As for the pace ... I was amazed at how little turbo lag there was and how early it starts to pull like a train ...

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 29th March 14:19

james.a.c.911

145 posts

35 months

Monday 29th March
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ChrisW. said:
I certainly agree that the style of the 944 has aged better than the 968.

However, I recently bought a 944 Turbo Cup which was an Italian car that I've just registered for road use in the UK ... a bit of a coincidence on the registration number that's allocated !

Pic to follow ....

As for the pace ... I was amazed at how little turbo lag there was and how early it starts to pull like a train ...
I'm looking forward to hearing about how the cup performs, please do post !

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Monday 29th March
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I will start to pull together the story of this car and will include driving impressions ... all I've done so far is fill up the fuel tank with Super Unleaded.

First impressions:

1. Steering. Unassisted so Lotus Exige heavy to start, but rapidly becomes very fulsome.
2. Ride. Firm but rapidly becomes supple and with the current settings (whatever they are) the car is actually on the soft side of firm.
3. Gearchange. Very direct and easy ... LHD rapidly fell naturally to the right hand !
4. Clutch. A little snatchy but very manageable.
5. Engine. Very smooth, eager, no noticeable absence of torque at low revs, I should say that it really starts to pull at around 2500rpm and pulls right through to 6500 ?
6. Looks. Everybody looks ... smile
7. Why Porsche don't make more of this part of their history I have no idea. They mention the 924 Carrera GTS and GTR but barely mention the 944Cup when the 944 in its day was selling as many cars as they sold 911's. The Cup series produce from '86 through to '88 fuelled their first Clubman type road legal race car series ... lead into the 1000 Silver Rose cars and set the scene for the 964RS and 993RS and of course the non-road legal Cup versions of those cars and the endurance racer RSR's.




diver944

1,832 posts

243 months

Monday 29th March
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Thanks for posting that Chris thumbup I love your car and can't wait to hear more as you drive it more

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Tuesday 30th March
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ChrisW. said:
That is a tough one ... the 968 Clubsport is already at a premium.

A nice 944 Turbo Silver Rose probably has somewhere to go ... and may be a better car for road work.

For track ? 968CS .. but there are plenty of Sport to Clubsport "conversions" around.
I started looking for a 944 turbo around 15 years ago, back then the Silver Rose wasn't much more money than what followed it. Same with the 968 CS. Why are the Turbo S and 968 CS a lot more money now? Dealers have hyped them up IMO, and neither look or probably drive any better than the standard versions. Emperors new clothes, I reckon.

Panthro

599 posts

185 months

Thursday 1st April
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My old man had a silver rose from new. Unfortunately the person he sold it to wrote it off 2 weeks into ownership. They very rarely come up for sale. Personally, I'd go for the SR.

Kawasicki

9,599 posts

202 months

Thursday 1st April
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I prefer the last of the 944 Turbo SE over the Silver Rose. The SE has a much nicer rear spoiler, for example. What does the Silver Rose do better than a 944 Turbo SE with M030?

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Thursday 1st April
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What is the difference ?

I actually like the colours chosen by P for the silver rose ...

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Thursday 1st April
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Kawasicki said:
I prefer the last of the 944 Turbo SE over the Silver Rose. The SE has a much nicer rear spoiler, for example. What does the Silver Rose do better than a 944 Turbo SE with M030?
Getting excited about the 88 Silver Rose turbo S is a bit silly, when Porsche then started knocking out the turbo S out in any colour you wanted. So now people are paying more money just because it's pinky silver with a horrible cloth interior.

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Friday 2nd April
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It was my preference, each to their own.

So what was the difference ? I only asked because you said there were some ...

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Saturday 3rd April
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ChrisW. said:
It was my preference, each to their own.

So what was the difference ? I only asked because you said there were some ...
Who said?

IMI A

8,662 posts

168 months

Saturday 3rd April
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It was quite confusing but silver rose cars were essentially the same spec as pre cat turbo s for UK. Post 90 they were all catted cars to turbo s spec in terms of drivetrain though not sure later cars also got the additional gearbox cooling like the pre cat s and silver rose cars? there was also some one 911 UK claiming 1986 cars for one year got thicker walls for the engine block as that year 944 competed at Le Mans running 400bhp so finding one of these maybe the ultimate of you want to tinker with it. Was always underpowered at 250bhp Porsche could have developed that platform so much more but even with only 250bp a 944 turbo would slay a 911 turbo of its day as many yuppies found out on their way to the City! I'd love another one but finding a good one at sensible money next to impossible. Best Porsche chassis for me surprised AG didn't do more with it as such a practical 2 + 2. Loved them I'd go 944 turbo as you can dial the wick up a bit evil

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Saturday 3rd April
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IMI A said:
It was quite confusing but silver rose cars were essentially the same spec as pre cat turbo s for UK. Post 90 they were all catted cars to turbo s spec in terms of drivetrain though not sure later cars also got the additional gearbox cooling like the pre cat s and silver rose cars? there was also some one 911 UK claiming 1986 cars for one year got thicker walls for the engine block as that year 944 competed at Le Mans running 400bhp so finding one of these maybe the ultimate of you want to tinker with it. Was always underpowered at 250bhp Porsche could have developed that platform so much more but even with only 250bp a 944 turbo would slay a 911 turbo of its day as many yuppies found out on their way to the City! I'd love another one but finding a good one at sensible money next to impossible. Best Porsche chassis for me surprised AG didn't do more with it as such a practical 2 + 2. Loved them I'd go 944 turbo as you can dial the wick up a bit evil
There's some 944 turbo misinformation on message boards. Someone posts something not quite correct, it gets repeated a few times, then it's taken as gospel. Some of the very early turbos apparently did have a thicker wall block, but it wasn't all 86 cars. I don't know if Silver Rose was ever an official German Porsche title, or something created by the press. The 88 Turbo S was supposedly a limited numbers car, that was painted that colour. Porsche underestimated demand, and they weren't going to turn buyers away, so orders were taken for more cars. Some of those buyers wanted different colours, and a sunroof, and Porsche obliged. Still with the turbo S option on the paperwork. I think that option was deleted some time in 89, though buyers could still option some of the turbo S parts. As for 944 turbo prices today, sensible is entirely a matter of opinion, judged against Sierra RS Cosworths or RS 2/4 Audis they're still under priced.

IMI A

8,662 posts

168 months

Saturday 3rd April
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Thicker walled 944 sounds intriguing.

blade7

10,421 posts

183 months

Saturday 3rd April
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IMI A said:
Thicker walled 944 sounds intriguing.
Supposedly Porsche over engineered the block initially, Same with the forged con rods up to around 88/89.Brake ducts went around 90, Rear anti roll bar got thinner. But the 928 S4 front brakes and gearbox LSD and oil cooler fitted from 88 stayed until the end.

Edited by blade7 on Saturday 3rd April 20:16