968 clubsport or 944 turbo

968 clubsport or 944 turbo

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IMI A

8,660 posts

168 months

Thursday 8th April
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There was a fellow on here on track in Porsche Cup. Demolished everything. Even 996 GT3 let alone F car kicked him out of the PC in the end when they couldn't win in 911 - loved it - same on road felt way more than 250bhp to me TBH and never messed with mine. Was just fast out of the box.

Wozy68

5,171 posts

137 months

Thursday 8th April
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Previous 968 CS owner here. A proper one with the OEM race seats and LSD. I absolutly loved that car.

If ever a car could handle another 50-75HP easily it was the 968. I only sold it eventually because 250HP was just not enough for that chassis and it felt (acceleration and especially on overtake) slow.

I'm pretty damn sure Porsche knew with more bhp it would run circles around a 911 of that era. (Says he who now owns a 911 from that era biggrin) and so never did anything with it other than building a very limited number with a Turbo strapped to the engine.

944 Man

529 posts

99 months

Thursday 8th April
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951 vs 968: 951. I have owned both, when far, far cleaner, fresher and newer.

Club Sport myth will continue to drive up prices, dragging those of every other 968 with them. Even 968 Cabriolet Tiptronic turds are benefiting from this now and they are awful cars. Every 968 part is offered at comedy prices, too.

It will continue because people want it and no one wants to hear peoples' experience which does not fit this 968 is the second automotive coming narrative.

Wozy68

5,171 posts

137 months

Thursday 8th April
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944 Man said:
951 vs 968: 951. I have owned both, when far, far cleaner, fresher and newer.

Club Sport myth will continue to drive up prices, dragging those of every other 968 with them. Even 968 Cabriolet Tiptronic turds are benefiting from this now and they are awful cars. Every 968 part is offered at comedy prices, too.

It will continue because people want it and no one wants to hear peoples' experience which does not fit this 968 is the second automotive coming narrative.
I have to agree. The CS was a lovely car but not serious money lovely car. Saying that, with old MK 1/2/3 Mini Coopers from the sixites going for utter mad money when they built something like 72K of them and Ive owned one of those as well and they aint worth nowhere near the value they are now either.

The CS at least value today maybe partially because they made so few.

944 Man

529 posts

99 months

Thursday 8th April
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Ford values do rather make a nonsense of FrontRunner's worth arguments.

ChrisW.

4,078 posts

222 months

Thursday 8th April
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IMI A said:
There was a fellow on here on track in Porsche Cup. Demolished everything. Even 996 GT3 let alone F car kicked him out of the PC in the end when they couldn't win in 911 - loved it - same on road felt way more than 250bhp to me TBH and never messed with mine. Was just fast out of the box.
There was some speculation that the performance was rather better with the front wheels rolling than when they were static on a rolling road (as (and when) tested as it performed so strongly in competition). These cars are so robust that 300bhp really isn't a problem and as all have observed, the chassis can cope with far more than this.




blade7

10,420 posts

183 months

Thursday 8th April
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944 Man said:
Ford values do rather make a nonsense of FrontRunner's worth arguments.
In the 80's a 20 something on an average wage, could afford a used RS Escort/V6 Capri. I had a lot of them, so the want passed to an extent. But if you or perhaps your dad had one years ago, and you're minted today, I can sort of understand the obsession with some of them.

diametric123

109 posts

79 months

Friday 9th April
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Current 968CS owner (along with other relevant Porsche models)

The 968 is slow. Slower than an 80s Carrera. Far slower than anything newer

You not buy a 968CS for speed. It is incredibly raw, has wonderful buckets, is best driven hard and looks like a lightweight car is meant to (ie like they ripped parts out of a regular car rather than designed it from scratch)

It’s also the only nice car I have that I would let my kids drive. And it has pop-up lights!

blade7

10,420 posts

183 months

Saturday 10th April
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CS slower than an 80's Carrera, perhaps the head is knackered on the 968, or you're not doing it right.

diametric123

109 posts

79 months

Saturday 10th April
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There’s absolutely no doubt I am not doing it right with the 968!

That said, my Carrera is a 3.2 Clubsport and that feels very nippy...

IMI A

8,660 posts

168 months

Saturday 10th April
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They are nippy the Carrera. I had a 3.2 for a while that had been really well set up but wasn't a CS which is a bit lighter, nippier and more special. The 944 can not live with the CS for drama and character but real world pace turbo far quicker. I get why the CS have gone crazy though and 944 has not. Its not just numbers / stats they are a truly unique experience and very cool. Good to see more interest in front runners.

944 Man

529 posts

99 months

Saturday 10th April
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Sorry Imi, that is 968 myth and hyperbole. The 968 CS is not a light car and it's handling does not differ in any material way from the 944 that preceded it. The only real difference is the rear dampers on the M030 cars (most were not).

blade7

10,420 posts

183 months

Saturday 10th April
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I'd have thought the 968's turn in and front end grip is much better than an 80's 911. A car with a noisy engine often sounds faster than it actually is.

IMI A

8,660 posts

168 months

Saturday 10th April
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944 Man said:
Sorry Imi, that is 968 myth and hyperbole. The 968 CS is not a light car and it's handling does not differ in any material way from the 944 that preceded it. The only real difference is the rear dampers on the M030 cars (most were not).
Sos mean Carrera CS in Autocar article earlier not 968 CS. Same engine as S2 nice but no turbo IMO wink

IMI A

8,660 posts

168 months

Saturday 10th April
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There were a few guys who turbo charged 968 CS though. I imagine fun with modern trick turbo and intercooler on Cup 2 rubber. Needs bit of oomph 968CS never sure why they only made a 17 968 turbo s out of the factory but sales were slow I remember at the time. I think Baz has a 3.0 engine knocking about with a 16v head ready for turbo charging?

944 Man

529 posts

99 months

Saturday 10th April
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I believe that that has gone to Pat for his Time Attack 951.

IMI A

8,660 posts

168 months

Saturday 10th April
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Sounds a beast. 944 turbo a fabulous car. I think with these l'd you'd buy the best example of either model money no object as there has always been a price disparity which I think is fair. There are far better 968 CS examples out there to my eye so if you have good 944 turbo hang on to it.

s m

21,066 posts

170 months

Saturday 10th April
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Always surprised these aren’t attracting E30 M3 values yet? Great handling, still fast by modern standards, German build quality.....

Seems to have all the ingredients


blade7

10,420 posts

183 months

Sunday 11th April
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944 Man said:
I believe that that has gone to Pat for his Time Attack 951.
Most of it perhaps...