what's up with this 993?

[ooid]

Just saw this 993 at Portiacraft. It does seem really good value and wondering maybe a few owners/users here might have any ideas about its past? Not sure about its current status being on HPI?



https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Thanks

[Koln-RS]

Can't comment on that particular car, but looks very cheap for a lowish miles 993.

HPI and Tiptronic will compromise values. If it was a 6-spd manual, with no HPI history, a full history, and that mileage it would be £50k +

However, if someone wanted a 'classic' aircooled 911 as a daily run-around, perhaps in London, and didn't care about investment values, then it could be a lot of fun.

[craigjm]

So it's been a car C or D and is tiptronic and a basic carerra. I don't understand the point of the scheme that removed the category but still states that it was once such a vehicle

[craigjm]

Thing is the Cat D and C and autolign thing is all crap anyway. I had a huge off in a Cayman S that at the time was probably worth about 30k and the damage was well over 20k and it was rebuilt and never written off so it's history shows nothing. This happened because I rang Porsche assist to help me rather than my insurer and having it rebuilt through an OPC Porsche supplied all the panels at cost price to prevent it being written off. Apparently it is their policy to do so because they want to keep as many of their cars on the road as possible. How many Porsches are driving around then with much more repaired damage than that had but nobody knows. The insurer told me that if I had contacted them and they had arranged the collection the cost at their body shop would have been higher and it could have been Cat C. A year after that happened I sold it and the new owner is none the wiser.

[ooid]

Thanks gents. About 4 years ago, I missed a CAT D, 911 Targa (80s). The only damage was its door and it has been replaced. It was about 12k and the engine was quite crisp condition. The biggest mistake I've done so far probably missing that car with that price!

If there is no rust, the engine is OK, this one is a quite tempting imho.

[rubystone]

ooid said:

Thanks gents. About 4 years ago, I missed a CAT D, 911 Targa (80s). The only damage was its door and it has been replaced. It was about 12k and the engine was quite crisp condition. The biggest mistake I've done so far probably missing that car with that price!

If there is no rust, the engine is OK, this one is a quite tempting imho.

Poor spec and written off. Tells you all you need to know. Steer clear of it unless you want to keep it forever or are happy to get shot of it for £10k in the future.

[SRT Hellcat]

It states in the advert that it was not a cat C or D. If you like the car get a through pre purchase inspection done. If it all pans out enjoy

[craigjm]

SRT Hellcat said:

It states in the advert that it was not a cat C or D

The advert is misleading. For it to be inspected by Autolign and removed from the register it has to have been a Cat C or D write off prior to inspection because the whole purpose of the inspection is to get that status removed. I am not sure what the benefit of this process is because all it does is change the category to inspected so you know it's been written off but repaired to a good standard that's it.

[rubystone]

craigjm said:

The advert is misleading. For it to be inspected by Autolign and removed from the register it has to have been a Cat C or D write off prior to inspection because the whole purpose of the inspection is to get that status removed. I am not sure what the benefit of this process is because all it does is change the category to inspected so you know it's been written off but repaired to a good standard that's it.

100% correct. It's still on the register and will show up on an hpi

[ooid]

craigjm said:

The advert is misleading. For it to be inspected by Autolign and removed from the register it has to have been a Cat C or D write off prior to inspection because the whole purpose of the inspection is to get that status removed. I am not sure what the benefit of this process is because all it does is change the category to inspected so you know it's been written off but repaired to a good standard that's it.

I think people used to use this method to certify their repairing, if it's fully sorted? Autolign probably used to point out a couple of things which might need re-doing, especially on these cars with safety concerns. As you all said, the proper inspection would be useful indeed. Lovely example though.

[cableguy]

Cat C/D aside, Blue/Blue combo is not the best. Lack of Sports Seats, butchered Door Cards for aftermarket speakers and Tiptronic Box all keep the value down.
On the plus side it looks like a fairly untouched car bar the Techart Front Ducts, low miles and comprehensive history, albeit not shown in advert.

It certainly looks competitively priced compared with other cars in the market right now, particularly as it's a Dealer.

C.

[chrisgaia]

Colours not a problem, it's hardly beige,

Tiptronic not a probem if you know how to use it, https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Speakers might be standard size, can't tell and therefore down-gradable if you are determined to create a concourse car and have terribe sound...

Cat. history is the only issue and that is all about whether it really is sound and whether you want it to increase in value. Maybe it is a great enthusasts car as you will not have to worry about values all the time, you can just drive the damn thing and enjoy it

It will always be difficult to sell but just keep it forever!!

[Rob996]

Would you prefer a cat C or D thats been repaired to a high standard or a none cat rust bucket that needs new structural parts to make sound. Which would be safer?

[stewart rix]

Rob996 said:

Would you prefer a cat C or D thats been repaired to a high standard or a none cat rust bucket that needs new structural parts to make sound. Which would be safer?

I understand the sentiment (although I wouldn't knowingly look to buy a rust bucket either), but personally would not even consider a Cat C/D even if I was shown a clear report - heart ruling head I guess. Mind you it seems that in the super-elite/super-rare category of cars, racing damage for example seems to be a badge of honour.

[mollytherocker]

Rob996 said:

Would you prefer a cat C or D thats been repaired to a high standard or a none cat rust bucket that needs new structural parts to make sound. Which would be safer?

The older the car, the more the previous damage history becomes irrelevant. Most pre impact 911's have probably been crashed and restored twice by now!

On this particular car, I would just inspect it very carefully, if it checks out, buy it at the lower price but accept that in the short term its value will always been lower than a non recorded car.

[Nurburgsingh]

MOT history looks legit...

just need to go into it with your eyes open

[Armitage.Shanks]

Blue interior is THE worst colour.

993 buyers are very very fussy and won't touch Cat C/D cars.

If it stacks up, are Ok with a 4-spd Tiptronic (actually not a bad box), plan to keep it for a long time, buy at the right price and accept it might be difficult to move on then why not?

[chrisgaia]

Armitage.Shanks said:

Blue interior is THE worst colour.

[ooid]

The car has gone from the dealer's website. Probably not sold at the end?

[spoonerh]

Every 993 cat c or d I have phoned about they never have info eg repairs the least you would have is parts receipts and are always stated as light damage, insurance companies will pay up to two thirds the value of the car value 993s have never been below £20,000 therefore the repair would b more than £13,000 light damage ( sure)