Which 930 and how much?

[Wozy68]

Jonny TVR said:

supersport said:

That red one is stunning.

The Blue one looks nice too, a bit more understated and should be fresh as a daisy.

Blue is my colour too!!

I’m pretty sure Phillip Raby had the Cobalt blue one for sale around. 10 years ago or so ..... I didn’t buy it because the rear tyres were of different makes and at the time everything was about watch out for 911 turbos that hadn’t had a full spend on them to keep tip top .... the different make tyres I though meant it hadn’t been kept up together so at £21K I passed ..... What a mug I was .

[supersport]

Wozy68 said:

Jonny TVR said:

supersport said:

That red one is stunning.

The Blue one looks nice too, a bit more understated and should be fresh as a daisy.

Blue is my colour too!!

I’m pretty sure Phillip Raby had the Cobalt blue one for sale around. 10 years ago or so ..... I didn’t buy it because the rear tyres were of different makes and at the time everything was about watch out for 911 turbos that hadn’t had a full spend on them to keep tip top .... the different make tyres I though meant it hadn’t been kept up together so at £21K I passed ..... What a mug I was .

Yeah, I remember being offered the opportunity to upgrade to a 964 Turbo at £24k a few years or two after I bought my 3.2 Doh!

[Lantz55]

This is an interesting discussion, and apologies if my question has been flogged to death in prior threads.

One question for which I would appreciate your input is whether these cars are actually changing hands at the requested prices? I've long been after an 80's Porsche but am struggling (as I guess many are) with the current prices. For example, I went to have a look at a 930 turbo over the weekend - approx. 120k kms, black on black, G50 box. Car looked nice enough from a distance but upon closer inspection it looked positively rough in areas (some rust creeping in, interior was slightly tatty). Overall, the car presented far less well than those in my current stable (E34 M5 and Alpina B12, both of which have twice the mileage but have been babied, garaged, and meticulously maintained throughout their lifetimes). When I politely pointed this out to the seller his response was that it was better to have original paint (in bad condition) than a car that has done some time in the body shop.

His asking price for what, to me, looked like a pretty unloved car was EUR 160 K...Do these types of cars really command these prices?

Kind regards,

Lantz

[Louis Balfour]

Lantz55 said:

This is an interesting discussion, and apologies if my question has been flogged to death in prior threads.

One question for which I would appreciate your input is whether these cars are actually changing hands at the requested prices? I've long been after an 80's Porsche but am struggling (as I guess many are) with the current prices. For example, I went to have a look at a 930 turbo over the weekend - approx. 120k kms, black on black, G50 box. Car looked nice enough from a distance but upon closer inspection it looked positively rough in areas (some rust creeping in, interior was slightly tatty). Overall, the car presented far less well than those in my current stable (E34 M5 and Alpina B12, both of which have twice the mileage but have been babied, garaged, and meticulously maintained throughout their lifetimes). When I politely pointed this out to the seller his response was that it was better to have original paint (in bad condition) than a car that has done some time in the body shop.

His asking price for what, to me, looked like a pretty unloved car was EUR 160 K...Do these types of cars really command these prices?

Kind regards,

Lantz

Welcome to the world of air-cooled Porsche buying.

When I was buying them - fifteen or so years ago - I looked at many, many cars. The sums of money under discussion were much smaller then, but there was usually a disconnect between what the seller wanted to achieve and what the buyer wanted to pay.

A really good 930 would sell for £25-30k. That was for a low miles and spotless car.

For the purposes of amusement: I bought my G plate, 1989 930 for £15000.00 and sold it for £23750. It was utterly immaculate, mechanically and structurally perfect.

[Cheib]

Lantz55 said:

This is an interesting discussion, and apologies if my question has been flogged to death in prior threads.

One question for which I would appreciate your input is whether these cars are actually changing hands at the requested prices? I've long been after an 80's Porsche but am struggling (as I guess many are) with the current prices. For example, I went to have a look at a 930 turbo over the weekend - approx. 120k kms, black on black, G50 box. Car looked nice enough from a distance but upon closer inspection it looked positively rough in areas (some rust creeping in, interior was slightly tatty). Overall, the car presented far less well than those in my current stable (E34 M5 and Alpina B12, both of which have twice the mileage but have been babied, garaged, and meticulously maintained throughout their lifetimes). When I politely pointed this out to the seller his response was that it was better to have original paint (in bad condition) than a car that has done some time in the body shop.

His asking price for what, to me, looked like a pretty unloved car was EUR 160 K...Do these types of cars really command these prices?

Kind regards,

Lantz

In reality no,,,,but it only takes one over enthusiastic buyer which is what the vendor is looking for. There comes a stage where original paint is worth nothing because there’s obvious rust issues....which sounds like where this car is. Start peeling away the layers on this car and you will easily be looking at spending £50k on bodywork and paint I reckon.

There are two kinds of cars to buy....solid original cars which are very rare (and probably aren’t UK or Northern European cars given our climate) and cars fully restored by someone who knows what they’re doing. Which is equally rare.

[adigra]

Having bought mine in October after an extensive search, I can confirm that yes, the right cars are selling for close to the prices advertised as all of the ones I've looked at, except one (really odd colour), have since sold. I was looking at the top of the market, as I only wanted a G50 car, from respected dealers, so was expecting high quality, but the differences were notable. My car sold at auction in 2016 for quite a bit more than I paid, so they have come down. Only one of the cars I inspected was, in my opinion, vastly over priced. It was at a modern supercar dealer and they didn't really seem to know what they had so were optimistically just following the top of the market. The car was decent and very honest, but quite tired and should've been about 1/4 less when compared to the others.

As for the values and what they used to be, etc., it's just life. E30 M3 used to be 10K, even my old Lotus Elan tripled in value in the time I had it and I've stopped following values of our Cobra as I prefer to drive it rather than stress about its value. It might all come crashing down, but they will all still be awesome cars I intend to enjoy for as long as I am allowed to.

[Lantz55]

Thanks all - very helpful feedback. Fully appreciate the "that's life" point, and have been on the good and bad sides of classic car values climbing - bought my E34 M5 for next to nothing 15 years ago but was also considering an E30 M3 at the time for a similar price In any event, good to know that even in the world of air-cooled P-cars not all of them are going for the advertised (inflated) price. The search continues...

[Radic]

Had my 930 for a couple of years now, not my first air cooled, having had 3.2,964,993 but without doubt the one with the most sense of occasion about it, never fails to excite and don't have to drive it fast to feel it, but when the boost kicks in you just have to smile.