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This is an odd one, a 1972 car brought forward to look like a mid to late 80's Super sport.
Not perfect but has had a 3.2 fitted and, bar some scuffs on the (very 80's) white leather, doesn't present too badly. I'm a sucker for a wide hipped Supersport but left wondering if the early 70's shell with 80's engine and panels would be compromised?
https://rindtvehicledesign.com/car-sales/superspor...
Not perfect but has had a 3.2 fitted and, bar some scuffs on the (very 80's) white leather, doesn't present too badly. I'm a sucker for a wide hipped Supersport but left wondering if the early 70's shell with 80's engine and panels would be compromised?
https://rindtvehicledesign.com/car-sales/superspor...
It was very common in the 80/90s to forward date a long hood 911 to make it look newer/more expensive. I knew a guy that churned them out on his drive.
Now of course it’s common to backdate them. At some point the backdated ones will probably get re-dated to original, if values dictate.
I’d much rather a custom and modified impact bumper to look like an impact bumper, the backdated are starting to look cartoonish to me.
Now of course it’s common to backdate them. At some point the backdated ones will probably get re-dated to original, if values dictate.
I’d much rather a custom and modified impact bumper to look like an impact bumper, the backdated are starting to look cartoonish to me.
Yellow491 said:
A lot of these hotrods for sale either by the builders or first owners at big asks,singer cars as well.Why after all the waiting for your build they put them up for sale.
I can only speak from my experience, because the reality of driving an old 911 was a bit s
t to be honest.Moderns for me!
RM said:
It was very common in the 80/90s to forward date a long hood 911 to make it look newer/more expensive. I knew a guy that churned them out on his drive.
Now of course it’s common to backdate them. At some point the backdated ones will probably get re-dated to original, if values dictate.
I’d much rather a custom and modified impact bumper to look like an impact bumper, the backdated are starting to look cartoonish to me.
I agree on all points. Now of course it’s common to backdate them. At some point the backdated ones will probably get re-dated to original, if values dictate.
I’d much rather a custom and modified impact bumper to look like an impact bumper, the backdated are starting to look cartoonish to me.
I remember seeing 70's cars turned into 80s cars and then even into 964s. It was definitely done to make them appear more expensive. Now the backdates have the same effect.
PRO5T said:
stichill99 said:
IMI A said:
The cruelty being handed out to G bodies, 964 and 993 is off the scale. I genuinely can't believe there are people who buy these monstrosities. In 50 years they'll be returning them back to stock.
Completely agree. I often wonder how many ever sell!The notion that people or ruining an old 964 for more than the price of any Mezger GT3 apart from maybe the 4.0 (and sometimes more than even that!) is insane.
The emperors new clothes. Again.
PRO5T if you ever try one on modern tyres you'll be blown away how less dangerous they are to drive fast
This RSR built out of a crashed RS a super example of whats poss probably my fave. 400bhp ish!
IMI A said:
I'm all for upgrading them with better/stronger engines, gearbox, RS or better bits, suspension but the backdate I really struggle with. G body, 964 and 993 all such pretty cars in the first place. On modern tyres like a Cup 2 and modern suspension they drive so well too. My 993 upgraded by 9m and Greig at Heritage felt almost mid engined on Cup 2. Loved that car to bits.
PRO5T if you ever try one on modern tyres you'll be blown away how less dangerous they are to drive fast
This RSR built out of a crashed RS a super example of whats poss probably my fave. 400bhp ish!
Lol, i will believe the 400-ish bhp when i see the dyno print out... even the real Porsche Motorsport RSRs didn't have that power... PRO5T if you ever try one on modern tyres you'll be blown away how less dangerous they are to drive fast
This RSR built out of a crashed RS a super example of whats poss probably my fave. 400bhp ish!
IMI A said:
Yes may well be 350bhp + ish mine made 330bhp and 300ft lbs on dyno but didnt have the gt3 rsr crank. Still lovely. Top spec engine from 9m in 2009. 3.8 na 993 rs engine running ninemeister heads , gt3 rsr crank , motorsport rockers and other 9m bits.
I have no doubt that the build is great. 9M know how to build great cars. But the numbers are somewhat optimistic for a 12v aircooled engine... I used to race against a genuine ex-Le Mans RSR 993 - that thing never made more than 340-ish on a good day. And that used to run ITBs, MOTEC etc. We used to obliterate the thing in a straight line... PRO5T said:
Yellow491 said:
A lot of these hotrods for sale either by the builders or first owners at big asks,singer cars as well.Why after all the waiting for your build they put them up for sale.
I can only speak from my experience, because the reality of driving an old 911 was a bit st to be honest.Moderns for me!
Another hot rod that hasn’t done many miles…I can see why you’d sell it. Harnesses and hard shell buckets….not much fun on the road.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1973-porsche-9...
Very over wheeled….
Cheib said:
PRO5T said:
Yellow491 said:
A lot of these hotrods for sale either by the builders or first owners at big asks,singer cars as well.Why after all the waiting for your build they put them up for sale.
I can only speak from my experience, because the reality of driving an old 911 was a bit st to be honest.Moderns for me!
Another hot rod that hasn’t done many miles…I can see why you’d sell it. Harnesses and hard shell buckets….not much fun on the road.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1973-porsche-9...
Very over wheeled….
I've been there, commissioned a mega-build from a 3.2 (at what today feels an astonishingly good price), 3.8, GT3 crank, very special, 360bhp. But what looked good on paper and in concept didn't do it for me on the road. And it just takes an absolute age to do.
So I ended up with a blisteringly fast, stunning looking, great handling resto-mod. So what could be wrong with that?
I never really got around to using it as I hardly ever did any recreational road driving. No real fault of the car, my lifestyle problem. Even today, I don't own a sports car, wouldn't ever use it. I do own 4 race cars though! So then the car itself...
1 too fast, just no good at all on the road, wind it up and it just got scary too quickly. Perhaps a bit cammy, get over 3,500 and it absolutely took off
2 too noisy, great sounding fabspeed exhaust, but tedious on journeys and hard to get on track. No sound deadening, lots of NVH
So that's easy to fix - a bit of engine rework with softer cams, lower down torque. Then change the exhaust, get the interior retrimmed with some sound deadening. Then I thought, I could do that spend another 12-24 months on the next phase of the project and still not drive it, so I sold it!
So I ended up with a blisteringly fast, stunning looking, great handling resto-mod. So what could be wrong with that?
I never really got around to using it as I hardly ever did any recreational road driving. No real fault of the car, my lifestyle problem. Even today, I don't own a sports car, wouldn't ever use it. I do own 4 race cars though! So then the car itself...
1 too fast, just no good at all on the road, wind it up and it just got scary too quickly. Perhaps a bit cammy, get over 3,500 and it absolutely took off
2 too noisy, great sounding fabspeed exhaust, but tedious on journeys and hard to get on track. No sound deadening, lots of NVH
So that's easy to fix - a bit of engine rework with softer cams, lower down torque. Then change the exhaust, get the interior retrimmed with some sound deadening. Then I thought, I could do that spend another 12-24 months on the next phase of the project and still not drive it, so I sold it!
Cheib said:
PRO5T said:
Yellow491 said:
A lot of these hotrods for sale either by the builders or first owners at big asks,singer cars as well.Why after all the waiting for your build they put them up for sale.
I can only speak from my experience, because the reality of driving an old 911 was a bit st to be honest.Moderns for me!
Another hot rod that hasn’t done many miles…I can see why you’d sell it. Harnesses and hard shell buckets….not much fun on the road.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1973-porsche-9...
Very over wheeled….
It just drive crap all things considered. The journey was the experience and the impact bumpers crowd were great.
964 and 993 are great to bridge that gap, anything earlier is too old for me but 996/997 is my happy place.
As I said, that’s just my personal opinion of a forty something year old enthusiast.
I keep saying it but I’m amazed someone hasn’t jumped on the Mezger GT3 “restomod” scene yet. Base cars are cheap enough with decent spares, you can make the platform anything you want really based around the terrific drive train.
Unobtainium but some great up close pics in the gallery of the finer details. Needs no introduction!
https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-911-reima...
https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-911-reima...
Ascari_1 said:
This is an odd one, a 1972 car brought forward to look like a mid to late 80's Super sport.
Not perfect but has had a 3.2 fitted and, bar some scuffs on the (very 80's) white leather, doesn't present too badly. I'm a sucker for a wide hipped Supersport but left wondering if the early 70's shell with 80's engine and panels would be compromised?
https://rindtvehicledesign.com/car-sales/superspor...
You are right, it is an odd one. Perhaps the most odd thing about it is the chassis number...Not perfect but has had a 3.2 fitted and, bar some scuffs on the (very 80's) white leather, doesn't present too badly. I'm a sucker for a wide hipped Supersport but left wondering if the early 70's shell with 80's engine and panels would be compromised?
https://rindtvehicledesign.com/car-sales/superspor...
ChrisW. said:
If you want a mod that's a very cool car for £150k ... (I had to ask !!)
Had a poke around this when I dropped my G-series off recently. Looked very nice indeed.They seemed very impressed with the build and said it was a genuine 3.8 RS engine.
Dream 911 colour is a green one, just not with the steering wheel on that side.
For £150k I would if steering wheel was on the otherside and if I had £150k...
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