Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

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BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

173 months

Tuesday 25th January 2022
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LeakUpTest said:
Thank you. No way, I'd sell one of my kids first. Lol
Beautiful! I particularly like what you did with the five dials.

LeakUpTest

92 posts

27 months

Tuesday 25th January 2022
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BrotherMouzone said:
LeakUpTest said:
Thank you. No way, I'd sell one of my kids first. Lol
Beautiful! I particularly like what you did with the five dials.
Thank you.

My clocks........1600 quid to paint them. 1600! I just think certain suppliers are making hay at the minute. If someone builds one today, there's zero chance of getting your money back so you'll want to make sure it's right and keep it.

GTRene

16,367 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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LeakUpTest said:
Some pics of mine, sorry a little pic heavy:





I love all the details, specially also the leather with stiches around the tubes, some still use ugly central heating isolating stuf.
also the type of seats used, I would also go with those type, good hold, without hurting your shoulders, also better to place in smaller cabins without big 'ears', great car, whats the engine spec? and car weight?

GT3Manthey

Original Poster:

4,426 posts

48 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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LeakUpTest said:
Thank you.

My clocks........1600 quid to paint them. 1600! I just think certain suppliers are making hay at the minute. If someone builds one today, there's zero chance of getting your money back so you'll want to make sure it's right and keep it.
Lovely car.

What would you say the car has cost you from start to finish ?

worldwidewebs

2,313 posts

249 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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So many times over the years I've thought of doing the exact same thing then chickened out. Love stuff like this way more than anything modern

KIPSTER

216 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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My, now sold, 1988 Carrera, retro'd as per below (incl. cost August 2017):

Attached build spec:

Pre 1973 long bonnet body conversion.
911 T front bumper
911 RS rear bumper with twin centre exit exhaust fitment.
Chrome overridders on rear bumper.
Chrome horn grills
Early lights with chrome edge lens front and rear.
LED front headlight conversion
Chrome door handles
Front fog lights in bumper
Chrome door handles.
Chrome / polished door and window frames.
Chrome trims throughout
2 X Porsche Durant round mirrors
Chrome sill trim panel
Silver engine lid grill
Gold engine lid Porsche and 911
New front screen with top tint
New screen rubbers
Chrome screen rubber inserts front and back
Wipers in chrome
Suspension to medium firmness
Wheels with silver petals
Chrome headlight rings
Twin centre exit stainless exhaust.

Electro AC fitment
Oil level gauge to stop bouncing
Heater blowers noisy to fix
New brake pads,
New stainless brake hoses,
Indicator stalk fault
Headlights high beam operation
Remove old alarms
Set up central locking
Engine bay sound proofing
Check heater in rear screen.
Steering seams heavy set up required.

Pricing based on McQueen car in conversions on our site @ £15000 inc vat

Plus Electro AC £2995, installation £250
LED lights £1195
Exhaust £850
New front screen £275
Brake pads Brembo £80
Brake sensors £39.60
Brake seal kit £50.60
Calipers strip and paint £150
Goodridge hoses £62.44

Sub Total £5947.64
Vat £1189.53

Exterior /mechanical total £22137


Heaters repairs is an unknown but would estimate £800
If rear screen heater not fixable new rear screen is expensive at £650

Interior specification:
Stuttgart seats in black basket weave
Gear shift with gator
Becker blue tooth stereo
New Kenwood classic speakers
Steering wheel to be confirmed
Black carpets throughout
Sound proofing
Black leather dash , door caps, rear quarter caps, rear shelf.
New headlining
A,B,C posts retrimmed
Alloy dash trim with basket weave insert,
Basket weave door cards with leather handles and alloy strip.
Delete centre console,
911 badge on glove box
Chrome rear view mirror
Momo Prototypo steering wheel.

Cost as per the McQueen car @ £5000 inc vat.

Plus extra £700 leather dash,
All cappings in leather £400
Chrome rear view mirror £95
Rennline dial rings £125
Sub Total £1320
Vat £264

Interior total £6584

If the rear screen is reusable and heater parts serviceable instead of replace, the total build will be £28721.

Hope this helps but I reckon prices will have gone up a tad.....

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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I wonder what percentage of people keep the cars they build for longer than 12 months or so? A few do. I didn't.

It was a fantastic car, but the build took so long and was so painful! Then it was too fast, noisy and brutal. It could have been reworked. More sound deadening, change of exhaust, detune the 3.8 motor but didn't have the energy for another turn of the project.

All my own fault, I thought I knew what I wanted, but the end result wasn't right for me.

I now have a standard ish 69 ex-T with a later 2.4s motor. it's fabulous. Fast enough, light and super adjustable, reasonably quiet. Perfect!

thegreenhell

15,103 posts

218 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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GTRene said:
I love all the details, specially also the leather with stiches around the tubes, some still use ugly central heating isolating stuf.
You mean the FIA foam that's mandated for any kind of competition car, that's designed to stop your skull splitting open if you hit your head against a steel tube in a crash?

Cheib

23,110 posts

174 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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BertBert said:
I wonder what percentage of people keep the cars they build for longer than 12 months or so? A few do. I didn't.

It was a fantastic car, but the build took so long and was so painful! Then it was too fast, noisy and brutal. It could have been reworked. More sound deadening, change of exhaust, detune the 3.8 motor but didn't have the energy for another turn of the project.

All my own fault, I thought I knew what I wanted, but the end result wasn't right for me.

I now have a standard ish 69 ex-T with a later 2.4s motor. it's fabulous. Fast enough, light and super adjustable, reasonably quiet. Perfect!
A very honest post and I think this is what a lot of people end up feeling about cars with quite extreme engine and exhaust combinations.

Go back to my previous post which is basically what you have just said….a hot rod original car with a higher spec engine gives you a sublime car. Much cheaper ownership experience than a restomod and if done riight and is reversible. Put the original engine n a crate and when you want to sell the car put the original engine back in and sell the non standard engine which is it’s been built by someone welll known will be easy to sell.

Fast Bug

11,595 posts

160 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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So many of the back dates that I've seen (including some of the puncy priced ones) have had awful build quality. Panel gaps that have been all of the place and poor attention to detail. I wouldn't have accepted it on a £10k Beetle restoration, let alone a £100k Porsche build

Esceptico

7,334 posts

108 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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I had a 72 E with a 2.7 engine. For road use it was just about perfect. Plenty fast enough without being stupid fast. Handling was great. Had upgraded brakes and suspension, although nothing too extreme.

Previous owner had put on a really loud exhaust that I changed. I also put back in a bit of sound insulation to make it more liveable. It was still loud by modern standards but I went to Scotland and back without having to use ear plugs, which was an improvement.

Echoing other comments, I’ve known others with more extreme cars but generally they weren’t better to drive. With higher BHP you need bigger wheels and tyres, stiffer suspension etc. Whilst that might be great on track on B roads it hinders rather than helps.

I would love another one but they have become too expensive. Also difficult to find a good one (that is for sale).

Wilmslowboy

4,188 posts

205 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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BertBert said:
I wonder what percentage of people keep the cars they build for longer than 12 months or so? A few do. I didn't.

It was a fantastic car, but the build took so long and was so painful! Then it was too fast, noisy and brutal. It could have been reworked. More sound deadening, change of exhaust, detune the 3.8 motor but didn't have the energy for another turn of the project.

All my own fault, I thought I knew what I wanted, but the end result wasn't right for me.

I now have a standard ish 69 ex-T with a later 2.4s motor. it's fabulous. Fast enough, light and super adjustable, reasonably quiet. Perfect!
Thanks for the insight.

When I looked for a car, things that were high on the criteria were:-
a workable interior (no roll cage or uncomfortable buckets), sound deading, decent ride and a well behaved engine.

I have driven mine on 200 mile journeys, including hours of stop start on the M25. I wouldn’t say it was a joy but it worked fine.


The only 2 upgrades I would consider are:

Power steering (make it even more liveable daily)
Tidy up the paint - although it looks great as it is, and I fear if it had perfect paint I would be less reluctant to drive it as intended on B roads.

With regards performance - I’d say mine (2.7) is about as fast as alike warm hot hatch - zero to sixty - 6ish seconds and 135mph - which is plenty fast enough.



LeakUpTest

92 posts

27 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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GT3Manthey said:
Lovely car.

What would you say the car has cost you from start to finish ?
Thank you. I have genuinely avoided adding it up as its much more than I anticipated. Its got to be close to £140k. I know its not worth that and Ill never get my money back. But its my project and I took my time to make sure it was exactly as i envisaged.

I went on a very memorable trip to Le Mans back in 2010 and was stuck behind a gulf blue rsr replica for 2 hours in crawling traffic. It completely blew my mind, it was one of the most simple, elegant and purposeful shapes Id ever seen. From that day I desperately wanted one in my life. Following getting over a life threatening heart condition, which was a bolt out of the blue and a very difficult divorce, I thought you only live once!

Any way, Im hijacking the thread. If you are thinking of doing it, do it if you can, you'll never regret it. But, there are people taking advantage at the minute so be careful. Happy to point people in the right direction.

LeakUpTest

92 posts

27 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Wilmslowboy said:
Thanks for the insight.

When I looked for a car, things that were high on the criteria were:-
a workable interior (no roll cage or uncomfortable buckets), sound deading, decent ride and a well behaved engine.

I have driven mine on 200 mile journeys, including hours of stop start on the M25. I wouldn’t say it was a joy but it worked fine.


The only 2 upgrades I would consider are:

Power steering (make it even more liveable daily)
Tidy up the paint - although it looks great as it is, and I fear if it had perfect paint I would be less reluctant to drive it as intended on B roads.

With regards performance - I’d say mine (2.7) is about as fast as alike warm hot hatch - zero to sixty - 6ish seconds and 135mph - which is plenty fast enough.
Thats an important point, you do not need huge power. Personally i think you defeat the object if thats what you are after. The theatre this type of an analogue car gives you is enough imo.

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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BertBert said:
I wonder what percentage of people keep the cars they build for longer than 12 months or so? A few do. I didn't.

It was a fantastic car, but the build took so long and was so painful! Then it was too fast, noisy and brutal. It could have been reworked. More sound deadening, change of exhaust, detune the 3.8 motor but didn't have the energy for another turn of the project.

All my own fault, I thought I knew what I wanted, but the end result wasn't right for me.

I now have a standard ish 69 ex-T with a later 2.4s motor. it's fabulous. Fast enough, light and super adjustable, reasonably quiet. Perfect!
Pretty much exactly the conclusion I came to during what would have been my ultimate (Neil Bainbridge’s words) 2.8 RSR build. I got out after the restoration, prep and “2.8 RSR isisation” of the shell, and having procured a few parts.
I got out without any financial loss or gain.
Sometimes I wish I’d seen the project through, but having done a complete concours restoration on a 964 RS, I know how you must have felt at the end of your build Graham.

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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I took over and finished this build, perfect 2.5 ST from 911S shell. The owner had spent £150k to get it to 90% finished, and I spent around £30k for correct fuel pump, mahler pistons etc. I then sold it for £200k as delivery was so peaky, mayhem ensued above 4500rpm. A real event but knackering on trips.



I then purchased Olive, after several visits to Tuthills balancing suspension and tyres following Alps trips, it's now a phenomenal car on every level.

3.6, GT3 crank , 340bhp and Exe-tc suspension.


Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Slippydiff said:
Pretty much exactly the conclusion I came to during what would have been my ultimate (Neil Bainbridge’s words) 2.8 RSR build. I got out after the restoration, prep and “2.8 RSR isisation” of the shell, and having procured a few parts.
I got out without any financial loss or gain.
Sometimes I wish I’d seen the project through, but having done a complete concours restoration on a 964 RS, I know how you must have felt at the end of your build Graham.
Cowardsmile

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Robbo66 said:
I took over and finished this build, perfect 2.5 ST from 911S shell. The owner had spent £150k to get it to 90% finished, and I spent around £30k for correct fuel pump, mahler pistons etc. I then sold it for £200k as delivery was so peaky, mayhem ensued above 4500rpm. A real event but knackering on trips.



I then purchased Olive, after several visits to Tuthills balancing suspension and tyres following Alps trips, it's now a phenomenal car on every level.

3.6, GT3 crank , 340bhp and Exe-tc suspension.

Two beauty’s .,not that i am bias of course.
My hotrod i have had for 10 years now.

LeakUpTest

92 posts

27 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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Robbo66 said:
I took over and finished this build, perfect 2.5 ST from 911S shell. The owner had spent £150k to get it to 90% finished, and I spent around £30k for correct fuel pump, mahler pistons etc. I then sold it for £200k as delivery was so peaky, mayhem ensued above 4500rpm. A real event but knackering on trips.



I then purchased Olive, after several visits to Tuthills balancing suspension and tyres following Alps trips, it's now a phenomenal car on every level.

3.6, GT3 crank , 340bhp and Exe-tc suspension.

Wow, that's gorgeous. Brave but lovely colour choice.

LeakUpTest

92 posts

27 months

Wednesday 26th January 2022
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KIPSTER said:


My, now sold, 1988 Carrera, retro'd as per below (incl. cost August 2017):

Attached build spec:

Pre 1973 long bonnet body conversion.
911 T front bumper
911 RS rear bumper with twin centre exit exhaust fitment.
Chrome overridders on rear bumper.
Chrome horn grills
Early lights with chrome edge lens front and rear.
LED front headlight conversion
Chrome door handles
Front fog lights in bumper
Chrome door handles.
Chrome / polished door and window frames.
Chrome trims throughout
2 X Porsche Durant round mirrors
Chrome sill trim panel
Silver engine lid grill
Gold engine lid Porsche and 911
New front screen with top tint
New screen rubbers
Chrome screen rubber inserts front and back
Wipers in chrome
Suspension to medium firmness
Wheels with silver petals
Chrome headlight rings
Twin centre exit stainless exhaust.

Electro AC fitment
Oil level gauge to stop bouncing
Heater blowers noisy to fix
New brake pads,
New stainless brake hoses,
Indicator stalk fault
Headlights high beam operation
Remove old alarms
Set up central locking
Engine bay sound proofing
Check heater in rear screen.
Steering seams heavy set up required.

Pricing based on McQueen car in conversions on our site @ £15000 inc vat

Plus Electro AC £2995, installation £250
LED lights £1195
Exhaust £850
New front screen £275
Brake pads Brembo £80
Brake sensors £39.60
Brake seal kit £50.60
Calipers strip and paint £150
Goodridge hoses £62.44

Sub Total £5947.64
Vat £1189.53

Exterior /mechanical total £22137


Heaters repairs is an unknown but would estimate £800
If rear screen heater not fixable new rear screen is expensive at £650

Interior specification:
Stuttgart seats in black basket weave
Gear shift with gator
Becker blue tooth stereo
New Kenwood classic speakers
Steering wheel to be confirmed
Black carpets throughout
Sound proofing
Black leather dash , door caps, rear quarter caps, rear shelf.
New headlining
A,B,C posts retrimmed
Alloy dash trim with basket weave insert,
Basket weave door cards with leather handles and alloy strip.
Delete centre console,
911 badge on glove box
Chrome rear view mirror
Momo Prototypo steering wheel.

Cost as per the McQueen car @ £5000 inc vat.

Plus extra £700 leather dash,
All cappings in leather £400
Chrome rear view mirror £95
Rennline dial rings £125
Sub Total £1320
Vat £264

Interior total £6584

If the rear screen is reusable and heater parts serviceable instead of replace, the total build will be £28721.

Hope this helps but I reckon prices will have gone up a tad.....
Gorgeous car and very helpful thanks