Beautiful Pista for sale

Beautiful Pista for sale

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likesachange

1,531 posts

132 months

Monday 28th January
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Swampy1982 said:
I think Pete (of "LFA" and "2Manycars" fame) has a coupe and a Spider on route...
I'm sure he had 2 Pista coupes on route … and quite believable too. given his "investment" in the last 12 months alone to Ferrari

therat

102 posts

116 months

Monday 28th January
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likesachange said:
Swampy1982 said:
I think Pete (of "LFA" and "2Manycars" fame) has a coupe and a Spider on route...
I'm sure he had 2 Pista coupes on route … and quite believable too. given his "investment" in the last 12 months alone to Ferrari
The guy that sold this car 100% will NOT get a spider ! ! 100%

LIVENT

173 posts

166 months

Sunday 3rd February
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If I had the money I would buy that. I've just spent the same amount in a property investment. Will be interesting to see which is worth more in 10 years time.

DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Sunday 3rd February
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topboss said:
Surprisingly the owner has a Pista Aperta coming. I can only assume the order on the Aperta is locked down otherwise would imagine Ferrari would have pulled the allocation.

Car looks lovely though. Would imagine list is circa 315k

Edited by topboss on Saturday 26th January 18:26
Not a chance of getting the Spider. Or anything else from Ferrari for a very long time unless he wants to join the back of the queue for a "standard" model and start all over again.

Drclarke

821 posts

111 months

Sunday 3rd February
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I cannot understand how this car has managed to find its way to a fourth tier dealer!
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Swampy1982

1,538 posts

49 months

Sunday 3rd February
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DeltaOne said:
Not a chance of getting the Spider. Or anything else from Ferrari for a very long time unless he wants to join the back of the queue for a "standard" model and start all over again.
What makes you so certain?

Camlet

1,108 posts

87 months

Sunday 3rd February
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Swampy1982 said:
Camlet said:
topboss said:
Surprisingly the owner has a Pista Aperta coming. I can only assume the order on the Aperta is locked down otherwise would imagine Ferrari would have pulled the allocation.

Car looks lovely though. Would imagine list is circa 315k

Edited by topboss on Saturday 26th January 18:26
The Pista Aperta does not exist, it is called the Pista Spider.

The 458 Speciale Aperta was LE, the Pista Spider is not.

Also, it is unlikely the owner was invited to both the Pista Coupe and Pista Spider. Most Coupe owners who were invited to the Spider were asked to drop their Coupe allocation.
I think Pete (of "LFA" and "2Manycars" fame) has a coupe and a Spider on route...
Quite possibly. Gregb has both too. But most had to choose.

DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Sunday 3rd February
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Swampy1982 said:
What makes you so certain?
Experience of having played the Ferrari game for longer than i can remember. Dealer will likely have got fined by Ferrari, so they’re hardly going to reward whoever has flipped it, and the factory are pretty careful weeding people out these days I understand.

Swampy1982

1,538 posts

49 months

Sunday 3rd February
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DeltaOne said:
Swampy1982 said:
What makes you so certain?
Experience of having played the Ferrari game for longer than i can remember. Dealer will likely have got fined by Ferrari, so they’re hardly going to reward whoever has flipped it, and the factory are pretty careful weeding people out these days I understand.
Bit off topic, but what are your thoughts on how Ferrari do business, obviously you have 5+ so I expect I know the answer, just curious.

Personally I think it's a bit rough. But saying that, I guess its fair enough Ferrari can choose who they reward for maximum business effect.

DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Sunday 3rd February
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Swampy1982 said:
Bit off topic, but what are your thoughts on how Ferrari do business, obviously you have 5+ so I expect I know the answer, just curious.

Personally I think it's a bit rough. But saying that, I guess its fair enough Ferrari can choose who they reward for maximum business effect.
I can understand people’s frustrations with it, but I don’t know of a manufacturer who has a fairer process of allocating cars. Sure, there is the odd spurious car which seems to get allocated on fame rather than collection, but for the most part its pretty clear what the rules are, so you either accept you need to play the game by their rules, and in doing so can get access to all the toys, or try on a case by case basis for special-but-not-too-special stuff depending on how hard the dealer wants to listen and then fight your corner.

It can mean you end up owning the odd car you might not have done otherwise (I have a Portofino now which was never on the list), but if the payback is the Icona series to gaze at forever then I can live with that. Needs to be said that this is the ultimate first world problem and I never forget what a fantastic and lucky position it is. The rules are pretty clear, unlike those of say Porsche who I still don’t understand and think the dealers are way too involved in (or likely to direct to friends who then flip if the mood takes them). Its still not perfect, you see the odd special Ferrari back for sale too quickly, but It gets better managed (for that read “cars going to collectors not flippers” with every model that comes out). That’s why I say no way does whoever flipped this car get another one for a long time, nor should he.

blueSL

319 posts

164 months

Monday 4th February
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Interesting that the Pista engine pictured appears to have the same scuff on the grey casting, to the right at the top, which I have in my bog-standard 488.

It seems very common, something in the build process is damaging the casting. I noticed this when visiting the factory last year, I pointed this out to a quality control person who shrugged his shoulders. Arse.

I made the dealer repaint the casting on the basis that if you choose to display the engine as they do, the cosmetics matter.

I also had gasket sealant oozing from one of the joints. Doesn’t say much for their build quality that they need to use it in the first place but again, I made the dealer cut the excess off. I prefer not to think about what would happen if a bit broke off on the inside of the engine.

Swampy1982

1,538 posts

49 months

Monday 4th February
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DeltaOne said:
I can understand people’s frustrations with it, but I don’t know of a manufacturer who has a fairer process of allocating cars. Sure, there is the odd spurious car which seems to get allocated on fame rather than collection, but for the most part its pretty clear what the rules are, so you either accept you need to play the game by their rules, and in doing so can get access to all the toys, or try on a case by case basis for special-but-not-too-special stuff depending on how hard the dealer wants to listen and then fight your corner.

It can mean you end up owning the odd car you might not have done otherwise (I have a Portofino now which was never on the list), but if the payback is the Icona series to gaze at forever then I can live with that. Needs to be said that this is the ultimate first world problem and I never forget what a fantastic and lucky position it is. The rules are pretty clear, unlike those of say Porsche who I still don’t understand and think the dealers are way too involved in (or likely to direct to friends who then flip if the mood takes them). Its still not perfect, you see the odd special Ferrari back for sale too quickly, but It gets better managed (for that read “cars going to collectors not flippers” with every model that comes out). That’s why I say no way does whoever flipped this car get another one for a long time, nor should he.
Thanks for your view, I appreciate it, interesting to see it from the other side of the fence.

jtremlett

600 posts

160 months

Monday 4th February
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DeltaOne said:
...That’s why I say no way does whoever flipped this car get another one for a long time, nor should he.
Maybe. I don't know whose car this is/was but I'm never entirely convinced that Ferrari hate this kind of thing. Seems to me it is pretty good marketing "our car's so hot people will pay £150k over list". One of the dealers in the early car flipping game once told me Ferrari helped them source cars on the QT. Don't know if it's true, of course, and it was a car dealer talking...

marky1

760 posts

134 months

Monday 4th February
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LIVENT said:
If I had the money I would buy that. I've just spent the same amount in a property investment. Will be interesting to see which is worth more in 10 years time.
Probably the Pista, but the Pista won't give you an income for the next 10 years!

jenzo

326 posts

179 months

Tuesday 5th February
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Drclarke said:
I cannot understand how this car has managed to find its way to a fourth tier dealer!
Would the warranty still be valid if its sold through a non franchise dealer, being a special series car?

p1stonhead

17,850 posts

105 months

Tuesday 5th February
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Camlet said:
Swampy1982 said:
Camlet said:
topboss said:
Surprisingly the owner has a Pista Aperta coming. I can only assume the order on the Aperta is locked down otherwise would imagine Ferrari would have pulled the allocation.

Car looks lovely though. Would imagine list is circa 315k

Edited by topboss on Saturday 26th January 18:26
The Pista Aperta does not exist, it is called the Pista Spider.

The 458 Speciale Aperta was LE, the Pista Spider is not.

Also, it is unlikely the owner was invited to both the Pista Coupe and Pista Spider. Most Coupe owners who were invited to the Spider were asked to drop their Coupe allocation.
I think Pete (of "LFA" and "2Manycars" fame) has a coupe and a Spider on route...
Quite possibly. Gregb has both too. But most had to choose.
Andy74B has both too IIRC from his instagram page.

rich12

1,202 posts

92 months

Tuesday 5th February
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jenzo said:
Would the warranty still be valid if its sold through a non franchise dealer, being a special series car?
Yep.
That would have a legal battle written all over it from the new owner.
They are very strict on some things but I can't see anyway for them to void a warranty on a car that has been sold legally.

Remember, it's only their internal 'rules' that revolve around flipping cars. There's no legal issues that i'm aware of? (happy to be corrected!)

ghost83

2,702 posts

128 months

Tuesday 5th February
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I love the pista just wish I had that sort of money to buy one

DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Tuesday 5th February
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rich12 said:
Yep.
That would have a legal battle written all over it from the new owner.
They are very strict on some things but I can't see anyway for them to void a warranty on a car that has been sold legally.

Remember, it's only their internal 'rules' that revolve around flipping cars. There's no legal issues that i'm aware of? (happy to be corrected!)
Agree warranty would be unaffected.

Ferrari only "ask" (make) owners to sign up to offer first refusal back to the dealer for their very restricted stuff (e.g. LaFerrari/Icona series), so there aren't any legal issues with flipping, you just become persona non grata at Maranello

KHK

309 posts

22 months

Tuesday 5th February
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blueSL said:
Interesting that the Pista engine pictured appears to have the same scuff on the grey casting, to the right at the top, which I have in my bog-standard 488.

It seems very common, something in the build process is damaging the casting. I noticed this when visiting the factory last year, I pointed this out to a quality control person who shrugged his shoulders. Arse.

I made the dealer repaint the casting on the basis that if you choose to display the engine as they do, the cosmetics matter.

I also had gasket sealant oozing from one of the joints. Doesn’t say much for their build quality that they need to use it in the first place but again, I made the dealer cut the excess off. I prefer not to think about what would happen if a bit broke off on the inside of the engine.
Speaking of QC...there's actually a few Pista owners who've posted on fhcat about serious paint defects. One owner actually had the paint flake right off on his front bumper.