458 Values - again

458 Values - again

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griff7

752 posts

132 months

Sunday 27th December 2020
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suigeneris said:
Romans car looks nice but I'm looking for one with racing seats. Is it just me or have coupe prices come down but spider prices havent really shifted much in the last 12 months? Cant help thinking (especially with limited use currently with tier 3/4 and lockdowns etc) prices will surely soften this coming year and may as well wait. Total crystal ball question but what does everyone else think?
It does look nice.The half a dozen cars or so that are over 160k now have been for sale for an age now and there is a large choice of 488 spiders for the same price now so something has to give especially when the 488's will be subject to offers.

Regy53

163 posts

98 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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The Romans car has been there since Oct 2019

fridaypassion

5,601 posts

195 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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I wouldn't be panicking too much over 458 prices. They aren't £200k any more nor will they probably ever drop as low as £100k. Having driven an F8 over the summer I know there's no upgrade path available to the 458 that has to be a good thing for values. We will no doubt have a few financial headlines through next year when the Brexit and Covid bills start to come and I don't doubt there will be one of those general "lack of confidence" periods that crop up every now and again but ultimately you would rightly be much more twitchy if you had a McLaren in the garage. Some of those guys will loose a 458 in depreciation over the next 3 years As will owners of new F8s and 488s) . Working in a (none Ferrari) part of the trade I can tell you that 458s still do good numbers in the trade.

The only other car of this type that you could be as sure with in depreciation terms would be a GT3.

Smacko

221 posts

42 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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Has anyone had a look around the spider at baytree?

JayP1

255 posts

140 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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With 458 / 488 prices now the same in some cases, is it a no-brainer to go for the 488 if one was in the market to buy something in the £140s for a weekend toy?

WCZ

8,639 posts

161 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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JayP1 said:
With 458 / 488 prices now the same in some cases, is it a no-brainer to go for the 488 if one was in the market to buy something in the £140s for a weekend toy?
Imo makes more sense to go for the 458

Order66

6,552 posts

216 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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JayP1 said:
With 458 / 488 prices now the same in some cases, is it a no-brainer to go for the 488 if one was in the market to buy something in the £140s for a weekend toy?
This is the market telling you the 458 is more valued than the 488, and so it should be.

Taffy66

4,637 posts

69 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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I've owned both and from a performance, handling, ride, brakes, steering, quality POV the 488 is in a completely different league. Buy the 458 if you want a Nasp Pinninfarina designed Ferrari for nostalgia but buy the 488 for driving.. The overly twitchy short travel throttle and hyper steering is an acquired taste with some never getting comfortable with.
Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.

Regy53

163 posts

98 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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is the audio system any better on the 488? My JBL system was worse than my mrs's Smax.. I am amazed JBL put there name to it

Saweep

5,889 posts

153 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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Taffy66 said:
I've owned both and from a performance, handling, ride, brakes, steering, quality POV the 488 is in a completely different league. Buy the 458 if you want a Nasp Pinninfarina designed Ferrari for nostalgia but buy the 488 for driving.. The overly twitchy short travel throttle and hyper steering is an acquired taste with some never getting comfortable with.
Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.
In your opinion...

I moved away from Ferrari after my 458 as I'm an audio man when it comes to cars and I found the 488 blare to be unacceptable to me.

I daily drove my 458 and hearing it start up from cold and taking it through the rev range in the mornings was something I could never give up for the admittedly otherwise improved 488.

Horses for courses.

garystoybox

484 posts

84 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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Regy53 said:
is the audio system any better on the 488? My JBL system was worse than my mrs's Smax.. I am amazed JBL put there name to it
Yes, I was staggered at how awful it was in my 458 (0 out of 10), fortunately a big improvement/upgrade in my 488 spider (6 out of 10).
Having loved my 488 over the last 2+ years, no way could I get back into a 458.... going to keep it until I finally go 812.

dereksharpuk

Original Poster:

175 posts

135 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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Regardless of which is the better car: 458/488 etc, I assume we all wish to keep our beloved Ferraris is a garage. Mine is in a heated, alarmed garage with tiled floor. Ok, so maybe I'm a sad case. Regardless of which is the better car 458 v 488 v F8, I cannot get a 488 or F8 in my garage. That limits my choice.

Gregor-lun1d

124 posts

64 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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JayP1 said:
With 458 / 488 prices now the same in some cases, is it a no-brainer to go for the 488 if one was in the market to buy something in the £140s for a weekend toy?
Only you will be able to make that decision. It all comes down to personal preference.

JayP1

255 posts

140 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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Yes it’s sounding like there are attractions to each car. My personal concern with the 458 is that it might not feel like enough of a step up from my Cali to justify what will be a large price gap. I’d love the opportunity to do a closer comparison when lockdown allows.

Saweep

5,889 posts

153 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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JayP1 said:
Yes it’s sounding like there are attractions to each car. My personal concern with the 458 is that it might not feel like enough of a step up from my Cali to justify what will be a large price gap. I’d love the opportunity to do a closer comparison when lockdown allows.
I went from a Cali to a 458.

It felt like going from flying a space shuttle to the USS enterprise tbh.

Saweep

5,889 posts

153 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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dereksharpuk said:
Regardless of which is the better car: 458/488 etc, I assume we all wish to keep our beloved Ferraris is a garage. Mine is in a heated, alarmed garage with tiled floor. Ok, so maybe I'm a sad case. Regardless of which is the better car 458 v 488 v F8, I cannot get a 488 or F8 in my garage. That limits my choice.
I left mine outside for the year I had it. Drove it every day. In ice, snow etc. All on the summer tyres.

No dramas at all.

Drl22

582 posts

32 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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The 458 v 488 debate will rumble on a for a while yet. Clearly the 488 is a more capable car but no one is extracting that extra performance, on the road at least anyway. It is most likely more refined too for daily use but that’s not what I want my car to be, I want it raw and exciting at every moment. As many have said already horses for courses but there is no wrong answer.

willy wombat

576 posts

115 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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Surely the point is that the 488 is different from the 458, better in some ways, worse in others, but that if you've made the decision that you are happy to go the turbo route, you don't actually want a 488, what you want is an F8. Put another way, the 458 is the last of the naturally asp V8s, the F8 is probably the last of the turbo V8s without some sort of electrical assistance which leaves the 488 in no mans land.

fridaypassion

5,601 posts

195 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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I've never driven a 488 but have driven an F8 which was better in every way than the 458 other than where it really matters... the noise! The F8 was instantly forgotten when I jumped in the 458 to drive home. If I was going to swap it would be a speciale or an F12. Can't see the 458 leaving for a good while yet though such an event!

Saweep

5,889 posts

153 months

Thursday 31st December 2020
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fridaypassion said:
I've never driven a 488 but have driven an F8 which was better in every way than the 458 other than where it really matters... the noise! The F8 was instantly forgotten when I jumped in the 458 to drive home. If I was going to swap it would be a speciale or an F12. Can't see the 458 leaving for a good while yet though such an event!
To me the F8 was way better than a 488/458 but also way worse as you simply get nothing out of it unless driving at warp speed.

It's too bloody good.

(and still sounds like a hairdryer)