458 Values - again
Discussion
suigeneris said:
Romans car looks nice but I'm looking for one with racing seats. Is it just me or have coupe prices come down but spider prices havent really shifted much in the last 12 months? Cant help thinking (especially with limited use currently with tier 3/4 and lockdowns etc) prices will surely soften this coming year and may as well wait. Total crystal ball question but what does everyone else think?
It does look nice.The half a dozen cars or so that are over 160k now have been for sale for an age now and there is a large choice of 488 spiders for the same price now so something has to give especially when the 488's will be subject to offers.I wouldn't be panicking too much over 458 prices. They aren't £200k any more nor will they probably ever drop as low as £100k. Having driven an F8 over the summer I know there's no upgrade path available to the 458 that has to be a good thing for values. We will no doubt have a few financial headlines through next year when the Brexit and Covid bills start to come and I don't doubt there will be one of those general "lack of confidence" periods that crop up every now and again but ultimately you would rightly be much more twitchy if you had a McLaren in the garage. Some of those guys will loose a 458 in depreciation over the next 3 years As will owners of new F8s and 488s) . Working in a (none Ferrari) part of the trade I can tell you that 458s still do good numbers in the trade.
The only other car of this type that you could be as sure with in depreciation terms would be a GT3.
The only other car of this type that you could be as sure with in depreciation terms would be a GT3.
I've owned both and from a performance, handling, ride, brakes, steering, quality POV the 488 is in a completely different league. Buy the 458 if you want a Nasp Pinninfarina designed Ferrari for nostalgia but buy the 488 for driving.. The overly twitchy short travel throttle and hyper steering is an acquired taste with some never getting comfortable with.
Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.
Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.
Taffy66 said:
I've owned both and from a performance, handling, ride, brakes, steering, quality POV the 488 is in a completely different league. Buy the 458 if you want a Nasp Pinninfarina designed Ferrari for nostalgia but buy the 488 for driving.. The overly twitchy short travel throttle and hyper steering is an acquired taste with some never getting comfortable with.
Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.
In your opinion...Both great cars but at similar prices the newer car is the better value.
I moved away from Ferrari after my 458 as I'm an audio man when it comes to cars and I found the 488 blare to be unacceptable to me.
I daily drove my 458 and hearing it start up from cold and taking it through the rev range in the mornings was something I could never give up for the admittedly otherwise improved 488.
Horses for courses.
Regy53 said:
is the audio system any better on the 488? My JBL system was worse than my mrs's Smax.. I am amazed JBL put there name to it
Yes, I was staggered at how awful it was in my 458 (0 out of 10), fortunately a big improvement/upgrade in my 488 spider (6 out of 10).Having loved my 488 over the last 2+ years, no way could I get back into a 458.... going to keep it until I finally go 812.
Regardless of which is the better car: 458/488 etc, I assume we all wish to keep our beloved Ferraris is a garage. Mine is in a heated, alarmed garage with tiled floor. Ok, so maybe I'm a sad case. Regardless of which is the better car 458 v 488 v F8, I cannot get a 488 or F8 in my garage. That limits my choice.
JayP1 said:
Yes it’s sounding like there are attractions to each car. My personal concern with the 458 is that it might not feel like enough of a step up from my Cali to justify what will be a large price gap. I’d love the opportunity to do a closer comparison when lockdown allows.
I went from a Cali to a 458.It felt like going from flying a space shuttle to the USS enterprise tbh.
dereksharpuk said:
Regardless of which is the better car: 458/488 etc, I assume we all wish to keep our beloved Ferraris is a garage. Mine is in a heated, alarmed garage with tiled floor. Ok, so maybe I'm a sad case. Regardless of which is the better car 458 v 488 v F8, I cannot get a 488 or F8 in my garage. That limits my choice.
I left mine outside for the year I had it. Drove it every day. In ice, snow etc. All on the summer tyres.No dramas at all.
The 458 v 488 debate will rumble on a for a while yet. Clearly the 488 is a more capable car but no one is extracting that extra performance, on the road at least anyway. It is most likely more refined too for daily use but that’s not what I want my car to be, I want it raw and exciting at every moment. As many have said already horses for courses but there is no wrong answer.
Surely the point is that the 488 is different from the 458, better in some ways, worse in others, but that if you've made the decision that you are happy to go the turbo route, you don't actually want a 488, what you want is an F8. Put another way, the 458 is the last of the naturally asp V8s, the F8 is probably the last of the turbo V8s without some sort of electrical assistance which leaves the 488 in no mans land.
I've never driven a 488 but have driven an F8 which was better in every way than the 458 other than where it really matters... the noise! The F8 was instantly forgotten when I jumped in the 458 to drive home. If I was going to swap it would be a speciale or an F12. Can't see the 458 leaving for a good while yet though such an event!
fridaypassion said:
I've never driven a 488 but have driven an F8 which was better in every way than the 458 other than where it really matters... the noise! The F8 was instantly forgotten when I jumped in the 458 to drive home. If I was going to swap it would be a speciale or an F12. Can't see the 458 leaving for a good while yet though such an event!
To me the F8 was way better than a 488/458 but also way worse as you simply get nothing out of it unless driving at warp speed.It's too bloody good.
(and still sounds like a hairdryer)
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