458 Values - again

458 Values - again

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willy wombat

461 posts

105 months

Tuesday 14th July
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They aren’t lit up at any semi legal speed on a UK motorway. However I think MD11 is I the habit of cruising rather faster on German autobahns.

jw673

81 posts

73 months

Tuesday 14th July
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MDL111 said:
I am in the minority but I prefer without LEDs as they don’t switch off when you are in top gear and it is unpleasant to constantly have red lights in your eyes when you are trying to judge red brake lights in the distance at night
They are helpful on track though
That's because you're not in the UK where Svengali-like salesmen/FNE have managed to convince UK Ferrari buyers that shields(1), and latterly steering wheel LEDs(2), are essential. Both of these items are fundamental to the Ferrari driving experience in (and only?) the UK market. Having repeated this travesty of margin-enhancing marketing enough times it has, unfortunately, become true. See also: similar bagatelles from Porsche.

It wouldn't surprise me if by the time the Purosangue is launched UK buyers (read: salesmen) will deem only the newly released "modern (larger) shields"(3) to be the latest essential option for resale.

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MDL111

4,788 posts

134 months

Tuesday 14th July
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WilliamWaiver said:
Just out of interest at what rpm do the lights come on as I've never really paid attention on mine as I accelerate through the gears.

I don't take mine on motorways very often so would they be all lit up or some on cruising at 70 mph officer in top gear ?
I am not sure but I think the first one comes on at c 6k or maybe 6.5k ( I will drive the car tomorrow morning and report back ) - so if you are doing say 250-270 in top gear in the 430 you constantly have lights in your eyes - during the day it is fine but at night it does annoy after a while
Probably not an issue in the UK though

garystoybox

382 posts

74 months

Tuesday 14th July
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MDL111 said:
I am not sure but I think the first one comes on at c 6k or maybe 6.5k ( I will drive the car tomorrow morning and report back ) - so if you are doing say 250-270 in top gear in the 430 you constantly have lights in your eyes - during the day it is fine but at night it does annoy after a while
Probably not an issue in the UK though
You can temporarily turn the LEDS off in the settings in about 5 seconds if driving 100mph plus in the dark and botherated.........

Wolf01

21 posts

44 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Both the Mclaren and the 458 are really great cars.

If I could afford it I would love to have both but not sure how I can justify. One would have to be kept on the drive.

Funny thing is I got my first speeding ticket today in the Mclaren which is an ominous sign. 😖

On margins we all accept dealers have margins and if you’re buying from a franchise dealer the margin is higher hence the spread is large.

The two variables are the dealer margins and depreciation.
Margin is a negotiation but depreciation is not. It will be what it will be.

What you want to do is have a vehicle that will have some stability on depreciation and then try and limit the loss on the margin through negotiation.

I would think a 458 at 130k will have around 20k margin. If the car depreciates a further 20k over the next two three years the price at trade would be around 90k. But I can’t see the price going below 120k retail so I think the worst case is a loss probably more likely around 30k max.

My Mclaren will continue to lose something similar but the Ferrari will maintain value better and hence equity to change into something else later on.


Wolf01

21 posts

44 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Ultimately I’ve not owned a Ferrari so I’m also getting this out of my system and hence it’s a matter of getting a nice car and 458 will hold better value than most. And I will get some fun out of it 😀

achaddy

32 posts

86 months

Tuesday 14th July
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jw673 said:
That's because you're not in the UK where Svengali-like salesmen/FNE have managed to convince UK Ferrari buyers that shields(1), and latterly steering wheel LEDs(2), are essential. Both of these items are fundamental to the Ferrari driving experience in (and only?) the UK market. Having repeated this travesty of margin-enhancing marketing enough times it has, unfortunately, become true. See also: similar bagatelles from Porsche.

It wouldn't surprise me if by the time the Purosangue is launched UK buyers (read: salesmen) will deem only the newly released "modern (larger) shields"(3) to be the latest essential option for resale.

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(2)


(3)
For me its not the LEDs that are the requirement. Its the CF Steering Wheel itself. I could do without the LEDS. But the CF steering wheel in general looks fantasic, makes you believe in what you are sitting in and very F1 car look. Standard wheel is very drab IMO.

WilliamWaiver

326 posts

2 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Wolf01 said:
Ultimately I’ve not owned a Ferrari so I’m also getting this out of my system and hence it’s a matter of getting a nice car and 458 will hold better value than most. And I will get some fun out of it ??
Thats fair enough and at least you are going in with your eyes open. Personally I think only a £10k drop at Retail in this market and over next 2-3 years is a tad optimistic as they have dropped circa £25k in last 12 months but hey its only money and you only live once so go live the dream

Edited by WilliamWaiver on Tuesday 14th July 23:48

MDL111

4,788 posts

134 months

Wednesday 15th July
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garystoybox said:
MDL111 said:
I am not sure but I think the first one comes on at c 6k or maybe 6.5k ( I will drive the car tomorrow morning and report back ) - so if you are doing say 250-270 in top gear in the 430 you constantly have lights in your eyes - during the day it is fine but at night it does annoy after a while
Probably not an issue in the UK though
You can temporarily turn the LEDS off in the settings in about 5 seconds if driving 100mph plus in the dark and botherated.........
That’s interesting, thank you - should have maybe looked at the manual ....
I can confirm they come on at 6k rpm and then increase in 500rpm steps

WilliamWaiver

326 posts

2 months

Wednesday 15th July
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MDL111 said:
That’s interesting, thank you - should have maybe looked at the manual ....
I can confirm they come on at 6k rpm and then increase in 500rpm steps
Thanks for update but Oh dear the shame of it from my point of view as I'm clearly not driving car hard enough lol.
Yeah I get the lights on accelerating in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear but probably not above and I also don't drive at night or on motorways so I've never found it annoying

MingtheMerciless

329 posts

166 months

Wednesday 15th July
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All the LEDs in 5th = 167mph. Allegedly.

chippy348

426 posts

104 months

Wednesday 15th July
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Wolf01 said:
I have seen the car you’re talking about - you able to say why you were not able to close the deal - they are a bit slow but no issues so far and seem
Pleasant enough.
its quite a bit down in this thread the reason why > https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Safe to say i was not the only one they messed around with on that car.