430 coupe or spider

430 coupe or spider

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xcentric

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438 posts

171 months

Wednesday 19th February
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Considering first Ferrari, and whilst I love the 458 looks, it's out of my price range, and I'm pretty enamoured by the 430 too. So from those that drive them, coupe or spider?

I know the arguments for both - rigidity versus noise, composure versus sunshine, etc. - but for everyday living with and driving and fun, which do people prefer? Note that I do like open top motoring (past cars include a few Elises, and currently have a Boxster S and a Caterham - though at least one of those will be going, probably the Boxster).

Views welcomed.....

Chris355

637 posts

148 months

Thursday 20th February
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I’m a convertible fan so I would go for that. Unless your pushing really hard I’m not sure you would notice any difference. Spider is far nicer in the summer and that’s probably when it will get the most use!

davek_964

6,549 posts

127 months

Thursday 20th February
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If you like convertibles, I'd definitely stick with that.

There is a guy on the ClubScuderia site who's selling a lovely 430 Spider (think it's black) which he's owned for 8 years. Not sure what other places it's advertised but looks like an excellent car.

dereksharpuk

66 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th February
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I have owned F430 Spiders (3) and 2 x 360s (one Modena and one Spider). I prefer the Spider (my present car) for the fresh air, looks and above all, the sound. Moreover, unlike the 458 Spider, one can still see the gorgeous engine. I find no scuttle shake at all. Personally, I preferred the manual I owned to the F1, but foolishly sold it to buy the first F1. Now the manual is worth far more than the F1, but not then. So, buy the Spider, you will not regret it. However, I'm selling my F430 Spider and looking for a 458 Spider... Am I mad?

Interestingly you have a Boxster. A nice car (I have owned 3), but chalk & cheese compared with a F430. No comparison. Bit like comparing a Ford Ka with a BMW M2.... Well, perhaps I exaggerate just a little, but you get my point. Boxsters can be picked up for a couple of grand, and because of what they are, they perhaps have not been look after. But show me a cheap F430!

Edited by dereksharpuk on Thursday 20th February 10:28


Edited by dereksharpuk on Thursday 20th February 10:29

Chris355

637 posts

148 months

Thursday 20th February
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dereksharpuk said:
I have owned F430 Spiders (3) and 2 x 360s (one Modena and one Spider). I prefer the Spider (my present car) for the fresh air, looks and above all, the sound. Moreover, unlike the 458 Spider, one can still see the gorgeous engine. I find no scuttle shake at all. Personally, I preferred the manual I owned to the F1, but foolishly sold it to buy the first F1. Now the manual is worth far more than the F1, but not then. So, buy the Spider, you will not regret it. However, I'm selling my F430 Spider and looking for a 458 Spider... Am I mad?

Interestingly you have a Boxster. A nice car (I have owned 3), but chalk & cheese compared with a F430. No comparison. Bit like comparing a Ford Ka with a BMW M2.... Well, perhaps I exaggerate just a little, but you get my point. Boxsters can be picked up for a couple of grand, and because of what they are, they perhaps have not been look after. But show me a cheap F430

Edited by dereksharpuk on Thursday 20th February 10:28


Edited by dereksharpuk on Thursday 20th February 10:29
You’re not mad, 458 spider is better in every way imo. 430 is still a great car though.

Personally I prefer the F1 to a manual car but that is a personal choice. I have a general dislike of manuals now that I have grown accustomed to paddleshift.

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Thursday 20th February
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Thanks all. Spider it is. Just need to decide between paddle shift and manual. Colour has to be red, fur the first one. Will check out the club scuderia site..... and the for sales.....

Slippydiff

10,910 posts

175 months

Friday 21st February
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dereksharpuk said:
I have owned F430 Spiders (3) and 2 x 360s (one Modena and one Spider). I prefer the Spider (my present car) for the fresh air, looks and above all, the sound. Moreover, unlike the 458 Spider, one can still see the gorgeous engine. I find no scuttle shake at all. Personally, I preferred the manual I owned to the F1, but foolishly sold it to buy the first F1. Now the manual is worth far more than the F1, but not then. So, buy the Spider, you will not regret it. However, I'm selling my F430 Spider and looking for a 458 Spider... Am I mad ?
No. You're not.



smile

dereksharpuk

66 posts

120 months

Saturday 22nd February
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Slippydiff said:
No. You're not.



smile
Beautiful car in my favourite colour. Don't like the interior, but each to his own.

Taffy66

3,504 posts

54 months

Saturday 22nd February
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dereksharpuk said:
Beautiful car in my favourite colour. Don't like the interior, but each to his own.
Same colour as mine albeit an Italia with factory Nero roof..There is a magic about 458s for whatever reason, even by Ferrari standards.

supersport

2,974 posts

179 months

Saturday 22nd February
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Another Porsche owner who recently bought their first Ferrari.


xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Saturday 22nd February
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very nice.

Servicing costs seem reasonable - more so than the Gallardo which I also like the look of - but whilst I love the grey, for me it has to be red, at least once. Reading https://aldousvoice.com/ferrari-360-f430-buying-gu... at present - any other guides around worth taking a look at?

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Sunday 23rd February
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ah bum.

Thought I'd done all the hard work then was reading in here about someone buying a California - hadn't;t considered one of those properly, but it'd do family duties slightly better (would have to leave one of the kids at home, but hey....).

Anyone had both and thoughts? Have read a few of the main threads on here....

trying to test drive both tomorrow...... know they are different to each other, but both suit slightly different purposes for us.....

Edited by xcentric on Sunday 23 February 21:01

ewolg

1,567 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd February
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xcentric said:
ah bum.

Thought I'd done all the hard work then was reading in here about someone buying a California - hadn't;t considered one of those properly, but it'd do family duties slightly better (would have to leave one of the kids at home, but hey....).

Anyone had both and thoughts? Have read a few of the main threads on here....

trying to test drive both tomorrow...... know they are different to each other, but both suit slightly different purposes for us.....

Edited by xcentric on Sunday 23 February 21:01
Had a 360 & 430 spider & now a California 30.
Personally, I prefer the California as it feels more modern & usable and if you get a later one it has the free servicing. I had a full engine rebuild on the 430 due to the ore-cats ingesting themselves so would never have chanced my luck on another - but that’s just me of course!

ANOpax

167 posts

118 months

Sunday 23rd February
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My wife wanted to buy an F430 as an upgrade to her Aston V8V. We’ve had an F355 so she knew what to expect. She really liked the F430 but she also test drove a Cali at the same time.

We bought the Cali.



For a weekend toy, we’d have gone with the F430 but the Cali is so much more useable and it needed to be able to fulfil daily driving duties like the Aston did.

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Sunday 23rd February
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are the California's as mileage-sensitive as the 430s? like the idea of driving it more, but can't afford for it to plummet in value..... and when did the free servicing come in? seems worthwhile

johnnyreggae

2,395 posts

112 months

Sunday 23rd February
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Free servicing is first seven years so not hugely valuable - began about 2012

I have to say that your last comment about mileage comes across as so negative that one has to ask if you really should be considering a Ferrari if you are going to spend your days worrying about using it because you 'can't afford for it to plummet in value'

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Sunday 23rd February
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johnnyreggae said:
I have to say that your last comment about mileage comes across as so negative about mileage that one has to ask if you really should be considering a Ferrari if you are going to spend your days worrying because 'can't afford for it to plummet in value'
I can see where you're coming from, but it's not so much negative as trying to calculate the costs. I'm not in a position I can afford for it to be worth very little in the future - I appreciate running a Ferrari is expensive, but so is running the fleet of cars we have at present. But for each of those, I know which ones will in all likelihood appreciate, which will drop, and roughly what it might cost me. For example, I like the look of the McLarens, but their depreciation is a little frightening.; I have been offered a delivery mileage i8 for about half list price, so sometimes the hit can be eyewatering. Some cars shrug off higher mileages on resale - of course they are worth less, but it's proportional. For others, an early tipping point can mean an enjoyable ownership experience can switch to a financial nightmare.

I'm simply enquiring if the car widely regarded as more usable everyday, and therefore used more and so with higher mileages on, is regarded as such in the later used market, or if the obsession with microscopic usage still afflicts them.

I'm not a fan of buying a car to just look at it - I think they should be driven. And given we put about 40k miles per annum on our cars, then it is a consideration. Thankfully, the miles don't all go onto one :-)

johnnyreggae

2,395 posts

112 months

Sunday 23rd February
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Fair enough - buy the i8 ! Awesome value at the price you mention plus new car warranty cheaper servicing etc etc

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Sunday 23rd February
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tbh if I'd enjoyed driving it as much as I'd liked the looks, I might have. But gearbox is sluggish, and it's a less of an event to be in than to look at. Doors are epic tho.

xcentric

Original Poster:

438 posts

171 months

Sunday 23rd February
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ANOpax said:
We bought the Cali.
great photo; lovely car