£65k budget

[blueg33]

craig511 said:

So jut sold my great 2007 Aston Martin Vantage, really loved it and it was a great car and very reliable.

The plan is/was to buy a Range Rover as we have just taken on a guide dog puppy and the Aston recently wasn't getting used and I cant see that changing in the next year.

However I now find myself with a work bonus also so naturally started to look on the classifieds and my Ferrari itch came back. My plan is to now just buy a Merc ML for say £20k and then get a Fez .

Question is, if you had £65k what would YOU buy for a newcomer to the brand? 360 seems the natural choice at this price point. HR Owen has a great looking one but I wouldnt know where to start when it comes to what to look out for etc.

Any tips/advice?

OR, just pay a £15k deposit and finance something for 2-3 years up to say £1200 a month?

If you mean the HR Owen car in Cheltenham. Its not bad. I have driven it. It needs the sticky buttons sorting. But it confirmed to me that I would want a manual over the F1. Its an owner Sale or Return car. Will at HR Owen is the chap I spoke with

I have been looking at 360's for 12 months as I want to scratch the itch, but each time head has ruled heart for me. The car would need to live outside and in reality an Evora 400 or 410 will be quicker, handle as well, be more reliable and cost less to run.

The itch is still there, but the 360 is an old car now and I may have got fed up of the hassle of old cars, that worry about whether it will actually go in the morning and what the next impending bill is going to be. Don't get me wrong though - I love the 360

Apparently issues tend to be:

They eat ball joints unless you get the Hill's ones
Headers can crack
ECU's can fry and as they run a pair that are matched and talk to each other, you need an expert for replacement
Sticky buttons - oh so horrid
Judging by my friends who have various Ferraris of that sort of vintage, there is usually a warning light on, and typically it just says STOP!

Despite all these things, one day I will own one but for now my £60-70k will go eleswhere.

Edited by blueg33 on Friday 21st February 08:47

[davek_964]

blueg33 said:

Apparently issues tend to be:
They eat ball joints unless you get the Hill's ones

Yep - unfortunately, they are a consumable.

blueg33 said:

Headers can crack

I've never heard that about 360s? 430 manifolds yes - but in 6.5 years of ownership, I've never seen that mentioned for 360s.

blueg33 said:

ECU's can fry and as they run a pair that are matched and talk to each other, you need an expert for replacement

Maybe, but again - 6.5 years on the ClubScuderia forum and don't remember anybody having this problem.

blueg33 said:

Sticky buttons - oh so horrid

Yeah - mine seems to be suffering from that slightly now.

[blueg33]

davek_964 said:

blueg33 said:

Apparently issues tend to be:
They eat ball joints unless you get the Hill's ones

Yep - unfortunately, they are a consumable.

blueg33 said:

Headers can crack

I've never heard that about 360s? 430 manifolds yes - but in 6.5 years of ownership, I've never seen that mentioned for 360s.

blueg33 said:

ECU's can fry and as they run a pair that are matched and talk to each other, you need an expert for replacement

Maybe, but again - 6.5 years on the ClubScuderia forum and don't remember anybody having this problem.

blueg33 said:

Sticky buttons - oh so horrid

Yeah - mine seems to be suffering from that slightly now.

Sorry I meant manifolds rather than headers

I think the ecu problem is rare, I know of 2 instances but I only know 5 people with 360's. On one it was definitely dry joints.

[davek_964]

I'm 99% sure the manifold issue is only 430s. It's well known with them, but I've never heard it mentioned for 360s before your post.

[blueg33]

davek_964 said:

I'm 99% sure the manifold issue is only 430s. It's well known with them, but I've never heard it mentioned for 360s before your post.

It was mentioned by several people when I asked the same question as the Op when I was thinking about a 360

There are threads on Ferrari chat going back to 2008 on the subject, same on Club Scuderia

[davek_964]

blueg33 said:

davek_964 said:

I'm 99% sure the manifold issue is only 430s. It's well known with them, but I've never heard it mentioned for 360s before your post.

It was mentioned by several people when I asked the same question as the Op when I was thinking about a 360

There are threads on Ferrari chat going back to 2008 on the subject, same on Club Scuderia

OK. It's news to me then.

[dereksharpuk]

I have owned 360s & 430s. Both great cars. I much prefer the 430, though have to admit that the shrill wail sound that the 360 makes at high RPM is to behold. Buy a good 360 rather than a tatty 430.

[WCZ]

craig511 said:

Question is, if you had £65k what would YOU buy for a newcomer to the brand?

430, every time.

had both the 360 and 430 and at todays price differential it's a no brainer. drives much nicer (the 360 isn't bad either though) and I prefer the looks also

I personally think they look beautiful

[craig511]

davek_964 said:

360s may not be up there with the modern stuff, but they are still great cars. Mine still impresses me every time I drive it - and I've owned it for almost 7 years.
Mine will actually be up for sale once it's had a service / MOT in March.

ETA : Just took a look at the HR Owen one - I guess you need to decide if you want F1 or manual, and whether you want a red one which seems common with first time Ferrari owners. My (manual, but not red) car will be advertised for less than that one.

Edited by davek_964 on Friday 21st February 06:41

What colour is it ?

[Pulse00]

m4tti said:

Thanks for all your first hand experience. What an utterly worthless post...

I can't afford a Ferrari therefore I'm not allowed to give an opinion on one. Nice.

Are you a salty 360 owner that doesn't agree with my opinion?

[craig511]

Thanks all,

So many replies .

So regarding auto or manual that doesn’t really bother me right now . Nor does the colour bar yellow . So black or dark blue would be good too . Obviously red is iconic and probably easier to sell I’d imagine .

I’d been searching on here and also autotrader and there seem to be some options . I am minded to go with a 360 and get a good example as opposed to a slightly good 430.

Just finding the right one ! HR Owen seems decent enough from a post above it seems bar sticky buttons . I will also check the links provided above too .

[davek_964]

craig511 said:

davek_964 said:

360s may not be up there with the modern stuff, but they are still great cars. Mine still impresses me every time I drive it - and I've owned it for almost 7 years.
Mine will actually be up for sale once it's had a service / MOT in March.

ETA : Just took a look at the HR Owen one - I guess you need to decide if you want F1 or manual, and whether you want a red one which seems common with first time Ferrari owners. My (manual, but not red) car will be advertised for less than that one.

Edited by davek_964 on Friday 21st February 06:41

What colour is it ?

Think the name is Grigio Alu:

[Pulse00]

FezSpider said:

Were would you buy a F430 for 65k?

Loads up for 65-70k so near enough to OP's budget.

This is my favourite though: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-Spider-F1/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-Spider-F1/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-SPIDER-F1/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[dereksharpuk]

[quote=craig511]

Question is, if you had £65k what would YOU buy for a newcomer to the brand? 360 seems the natural choice at this price point. HR Owen has a great looking one but I wouldnt know where to start when it comes to what to look out for etc.

Craig. whatever you buy, be careful, get a proper survey, buy from a Ferrari dealership if you can (it may save you cash in the long run). Manuals are better, especially on a 360, but cost a fair bit more. Remember, there is a big difference between a 2 year Ferrari warranty and a 3 month so-called warranty from an Indy.

[blueg33]

craig511 said:

Thanks all,

So many replies .

So regarding auto or manual that doesn’t really bother me right now . Nor does the colour bar yellow . So black or dark blue would be good too . Obviously red is iconic and probably easier to sell I’d imagine .

I’d been searching on here and also autotrader and there seem to be some options . I am minded to go with a 360 and get a good example as opposed to a slightly good 430.

Just finding the right one ! HR Owen seems decent enough from a post above it seems bar sticky buttons . I will also check the links provided above too .

They told me that they are sorting the sticky buttons

[ferdi p]

Pulse00 said:

Loads up for 65-70k so near enough to OP's budget.

This is my favourite though: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-Spider-F1/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-Spider-F1/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-F430-SPIDER-F1/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Some nice cars there...

I too would take a 430 over a 360, I had both & it's a no brainer to me...

I think if the OP drives both he'll stretch to a 430

[craig511]

That second link , the dark grey one is amazing !

[dereksharpuk]

craig511 said:

That second link , the dark grey one is amazing !

My favourite colour. Mileage a bit high and not a Ferrari specialist, so Caviat Emptor.

[WCZ]

ferdi p said:

I think if the OP drives both he'll stretch to a 430

100%

[craig511]

I will be getting an independent report done regardless where I buy it from 🙂

So it seems i need to check out both , think i have watched all videos there are of 360s and 430s.

Being based up here in Edinburgh there is very little choice so i need to do my homework carefully to ensure I’m not making wasted trips .