458 Speciale vs. 991.2 manual GT3 advice please

458 Speciale vs. 991.2 manual GT3 advice please

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RSVP911

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Thursday 25th June
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Slippydiff said:
Evening Lord R, my overwhelming thought is this :
The application of additional vinyl graffiti graphics to the flanks of a vehicle built by Italy’s most revered motor manufacturer, will most likely result in more than the odd eyebrow being raised among the cognoscenti.
I know this is an emotive subject for you, and think it’s something you need to give due consideration before proceeding with the purchase of said vehicle ...

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H you’re so right, a part of me would be mortified, but this emotion would be in direct conflict with the other part of me that thinks they’re very sexy - I’m a complicated chap - so as long as I drive it very early in the morning I’d get away with it smile

supersport

3,039 posts

183 months

Friday 26th June
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I too came here from Porsche. I bought my 430 to drive and so far it has lived up to expectations.

Love it.

I do think not being red means it doesn’t seem to attract much attention, which is nice.

dereksharpuk

109 posts

124 months

Friday 26th June
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supersport said:
I too came here from Porsche. I bought my 430 to drive and so far it has lived up to expectations.
I do think not being red means it doesn’t seem to attract much attention, which is nice.
I too came from Porsche.. never regretted it. By the way, are not all Ferraris red (apart from mine) smile

WCZ

7,741 posts

150 months

Friday 26th June
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£250k is value for what is one of the best cars of all time imo, I personally think they'll be worth more in 5 years

garystoybox

367 posts

73 months

Friday 26th June
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WCZ said:
£250k is value for what is one of the best cars of all time imo, I personally think they'll be worth more in 5 years
I agree wonderful car, but far too many built and so mileage sensitive, even within the Ferrari world. If a keeper for life then none of this matters but looking at the used market, nobody drives their cars, which is a shame.

RSVP911

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Friday 26th June
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garystoybox said:
WCZ said:
£250k is value for what is one of the best cars of all time imo, I personally think they'll be worth more in 5 years
I agree wonderful car, but far too many built and so mileage sensitive, even within the Ferrari world. If a keeper for life then none of this matters but looking at the used market, nobody drives their cars, which is a shame.
Interesting - do you know how many UK RHD cars there were ? Cheers smile

Taffy66

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58 months

Friday 26th June
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RSVP911 said:
Interesting - do you know how many UK RHD cars there were ? Cheers smile
Excluding the Apertas, 326 new Speciale coupes were registered in the UK according to 'How many left'...Pretty much exactly half the number of 991.2GT3s but much more than 981 Spyders.
Alternatively the same number as 991.1GT3 RSs or 991.1GT3s to give you some context..

RSVP911

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Friday 26th June
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Taffy66 said:
RSVP911 said:
Interesting - do you know how many UK RHD cars there were ? Cheers smile
Excluding the Apertas, 326 new Speciale coupes were registered in the UK according to 'How many left'...Pretty much exactly half the number of 991.2GT3s but much more than 981 Spyders.
Alternatively the same number as 991.1GT3 RSs or 991.1GT3s to give you some context..
That’s really helpful thanks smile

MDL111

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133 months

Saturday 27th June
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I suspect you will miss the manual - drove the Scuderia for the first time this year today and while the F1 is imo more fun than a DCT, it is still not patch on a manual. I think I might sell the road Ferraris and buy an older Porsche instead (I can’t afford a CGT, otherwise that would be my choice without a second thought)

RSVP911

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Saturday 27th June
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MDL111 said:
I suspect you will miss the manual - drove the Scuderia for the first time this year today and while the F1 is imo more fun than a DCT, it is still not patch on a manual. I think I might sell the road Ferraris and buy an older Porsche instead (I can’t afford a CGT, otherwise that would be my choice without a second thought)
Interesting post - may be selling my Fly yellow, completely original, 964 RS - let me know if if interested and I’ll send you some deets :

MDL111

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Saturday 27th June
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RSVP911 said:
MDL111 said:
I suspect you will miss the manual - drove the Scuderia for the first time this year today and while the F1 is imo more fun than a DCT, it is still not patch on a manual. I think I might sell the road Ferraris and buy an older Porsche instead (I can’t afford a CGT, otherwise that would be my choice without a second thought)
Interesting post - may be selling my Fly yellow, completely original, 964 RS - let me know if if interested and I’ll send you some deets smile
That’s lovely but out of range for the moment.

RSVP911

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Saturday 27th June
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MDL111 said:
RSVP911 said:
MDL111 said:
I suspect you will miss the manual - drove the Scuderia for the first time this year today and while the F1 is imo more fun than a DCT, it is still not patch on a manual. I think I might sell the road Ferraris and buy an older Porsche instead (I can’t afford a CGT, otherwise that would be my choice without a second thought)
Interesting post - may be selling my Fly yellow, completely original, 964 RS - let me know if if interested and I’ll send you some deets smile
That’s lovely but out of range for the moment.
Ah thanks, it’s a peach and I’m very unhappy about selling it, but I’m on the path to another manual NA Porsche and have to trim the flock unfortunately frown

Slippydiff

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179 months

Sunday 28th June
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RSVP911 said:
Ah thanks, it’s a peach and I’m very unhappy about selling it, but I’m on the path to another manual NA Porsche and have to trim the flock unfortunately frown
A great shame, in the goodness of time I suspect you’ll come to regret it R.

RSVP911

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Sunday 28th June
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RSVP911 said:
Ah thanks, it’s a peach and I’m very unhappy about selling it, but I’m on the path to another manual NA Porsche and have to trim the flock unfortunately frown
A great shame, in the goodness of time I suspect you’ll come to regret it R.
H, you are a wise old sage and the cleverest man on PH - if I can, I’ll try and keep and then decide later, but I may not have that luxury smile

Slippydiff

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Sunday 28th June
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RSVP911 said:
H, you are a wise old sage and the cleverest man on PH - if I can, I’ll try and keep and then decide later, but I may not have that luxury smile
I’m about as far removed from being wise or indeed clever, as is possible. The jury is still out on my being a sage, but I’m definitely old...
But having said all that, I think I know a good thing when I see it, and cars like the RS have a lot more charm, and are more relevant when it comes to using them on today’s roads, than any modern 600+hp Porsche or Ferrari.
There, I said it !!

RSVP911

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Sunday 28th June
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Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
H, you are a wise old sage and the cleverest man on PH - if I can, I’ll try and keep and then decide later, but I may not have that luxury smile
I’m about as far removed from being wise or indeed clever, as is possible. The jury is still out on my being a sage, but I’m definitely old...
But having said all that, I think I know a good thing when I see it, and cars like the RS have a lot more charm, and are more relevant when it comes to using them on today’s roads, than any modern 600+hp Porsche or Ferrari.
There, I said it !!
Agree - certainly a CGT is no longer a car - it’s so removed from being a car unfortunately if I get one I’d have no choice but to use very sparingly and carefully - the Speciale is far less precious.

Out in the 964RS a fair bit lately and it’s such a lovely, compact agile little thing - Chris at CG is a very clever man & has set it up perfectly. Every time I drive it I learn a little bit more about how to do this properly - I think I’m at a 6 out of 10 at the moment but learning fast.

Perfect world as I say I get to hold on - check out the other car and then decide - but let’s see.

Whatever happens I want to thankyou for opening my eyes to these nice honest little cars smile

Slippydiff

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179 months

Sunday 28th June
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RSVP911 said:
Agree - certainly a CGT is no longer a car - it’s so removed from being a car unfortunately if I get one I’d have no choice but to use very sparingly and carefully - the Speciale is far less precious.

Out in the 964RS a fair bit lately and it’s such a lovely, compact agile little thing - Chris at CG is a very clever man & has set it up perfectly. Every time I drive it I learn a little bit more about how to do this properly - I think I’m at a 6 out of 10 at the moment but learning fast.

Perfect world as I say I get to hold on - check out the other car and then decide - but let’s see.

Whatever happens I want to thankyou for opening my eyes to these nice honest little cars smile
I'm glad you're enjoying the experience, and fair play to you for actually sticking your toe in the water. They have real soul and character, something that's sadly lacking in most modern performance cars these days.

JC has the right idea with his CGT, as do several others on PH, but many will lay dormant in their garages with their owners fearful of impacting their values if they put miles on them. There's little or no point in having them if that's the view you take. They're cars, they're meant to be driven, if they weren't they wouldn't put engines in the damn things !!

The Speciale is, as it's name suggests, something very special, but fun to drive at sane speeds on the road (or indeed tactile, and engaging to drive at sane speeds on the same) ?? Only you can answer that. But there's no doubting the sense of theatre, or indeed how thoroughly developed it is.
A friend had a stunning 458, he's a biker too, so he knows what fast is, he said the 458 was amazing, but ultimately pointless on the road. Note the use of the word "was", he sold it last year because he didn't actually enjoy the ownership experience

Ultimately there's only so much you can do with a flappy paddle 600hp car on the road these days (I grant you on track is another thing altogether) but how many Speciale/Pista owners track them ? It's a genuine question, so those that do, please put your hands up now smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ92iDFYZhw





RSVP911

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Sunday 28th June
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Slippydiff said:
I'm glad you're enjoying the experience, and fair play to you for actually sticking your toe in the water. They have real soul and character, something that's sadly lacking in most modern performance cars these days.

JC has the right idea with his CGT, as do several others on PH, but many will lay dormant in their garages with their owners fearful of impacting their values if they put miles on them. There's little or no point in having them if that's the view you take. They're cars, they're meant to be driven, if they weren't they wouldn't put engines in the damn things !!

The Speciale is, as it's name suggests, something very special, but fun to drive at sane speeds on the road (or indeed tactile, and engaging to drive at sane speeds on the same) ?? Only you can answer that. But there's no doubting the sense of theatre, or indeed how thoroughly developed it is.
A friend had a stunning 458, he's a biker too, so he knows what fast is, he said the 458 was amazing, but ultimately pointless on the road. Note the use of the word "was", he sold it last year because he didn't actually enjoy the ownership experience

Ultimately there's only so much you can do with a flappy paddle 600hp car on the road these days (I grant you on track is another thing altogether) but how many Speciale/Pista owners track them ? It's a genuine question, so those that do, please put your hands up now smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ92iDFYZhw
H , I have made the decision not to go down the Speciale route - I found my 991.1 RS dull on the road at anything but silly speeds, which you simply shouldn’t do on a public road ( amazing on track though) I think the Speciale will be similar ( unless others with them, disagree?) In contrast my 991.2 GT3 manual was a hoot at much, much lower speeds. Bottom line, manual for the road , pdk for the track is my motto and as such, I think I’ll give the Speciale a miss, which is shame as I always wanted one, but in truth, I know it would be an affair short lived.

Going back to CGT - JC is a genius as he had the brains and balls to buy his at the perfect time and as such, I imagine that makes it easier to use it as intended.

Unfortunately these things aren’t cars anymore - I wouldn’t be scared of putting miles on it and taking a depreciation hit - that is absolutely fine - the fear I have is having “a moment” in it and doing slight damage, not enough to right it off, but enough to fundamentally (& nonsensically) cripple its vale - meaning every drive becomes a worry not a pleasure. In truth, this is the main thing that’s holding me back as I want to buy one to drive, but their is a big difference being able to afford own one and being able to afford to not worry if it becomes worth so much less due to an accident. (I wonder if you can insure for this - accident value gap insurance?)

Such a shame, as I’d have one in a heartbeat; such special cars the likes of which will never be repeated smile


Edited by RSVP911 on Sunday 28th June 16:21

Slippydiff

11,248 posts

179 months

Sunday 28th June
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RSVP911 said:
H , I have made the decision not to go down the Speciale route - I found my 991.1 RS dull on the road at anything but silly speeds, which you simply shouldn’t do on a public road ( amazing on track though) I think the Speciale will be similar ( unless others with them, disagree?) In contrast my 991.2 GT3 manual was a hoot at much, much lower speeds. Bottom line, manual for the road , pdk for the track is my motto and as such, I think I’ll give the Speciale a miss, which is shame as I always wanted one, but in truth, I know it would be an affair short lived.

Going back to CGT - JC is a genius as he had the brains and balls to buy his at the perfect time and as such, I imagine that makes it easier to use it as intended.

Unfortunately these things aren’t cars anymore - I wouldn’t be scared of putting miles on it and taking a depreciation hit - that is absolutely fine - the fear I have is having “a moment” in it and doing slight damage, not enough to right it off, but enough to fundamentally (& nonsensically) cripple its vale - meaning every drive becomes a worry not a pleasure. In truth, this is the main thing that’s holding me back as I want to buy one to drive, but their is a big difference being able to afford own one and being able to afford to not worry if it becomes worth so much less due to an accident. (I wonder if you can insure for this - accident value gap insurance?)

Such a shame, as I’d have one in a heartbeat; such special cars the likes of which will never be repeated smile
Too be honest R, I wasn't sure what your car ownership status is these days ... But when you mentioned the Speciale, my first thought was, I'm sure R sold his 991 GT3 RS, would the Ferrari not be more of the same ...???

Email headed your way in the next 48 hours ...

RSVP911

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Sunday 28th June
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Slippydiff said:
Too be honest R, I wasn't sure what your car ownership status is these days ... But when you mentioned the Speciale, my first thought was, I'm sure R sold his 991 GT3 RS, would the Ferrari not be more of the same ...???

Email headed your way in the next 48 hours ...
How exciting - love an HC email ! smile