Which of these 458's?

Which of these 458's?

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chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Friday 10th July
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Thanks Reg for the photos, i did ask you on another thread about the car.

Bullet dodged, going to JCT600 tomorrow, Stuart there has done more in the last 12 hrs than GP did in 4 weeks.


fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Friday 10th July
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I'm going to work in mine tomorrow if you want a look over another one I'm just 25 mins south of JCT. You may accidentally buy a Lotus at my place though I can't guarantee that won't happen biggrin

achaddy

28 posts

85 months

Saturday 11th July
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My 458 had a similar thing with the engne bay, although not as bad as the pics you showed there. The crinkle paint was starting to go around the lettering and lower half of engine bay i.e. the block and transmission were really corroded looking.
In fact it made me think the engine wasn't the original and had been sat in a scrap yard for a couple of years, to the point I actually got ferrari to check the engine number against the Chassis number. It checked out okay thankfully. I did complain to the dealer (JCT600) but they said they didn't detail engine bays when preping a car for sale and didn't want to do much about it.
What I did notice in the 12 months I owned the car was the engine bay appeared to get very dirty very quickly. considering it is quite closed in, a lot of dirt/dust got in there. I didn't notice this with the 360.
Another thing I noticed on mine was the black paint arount the edge of the roof/engine bay by the boot hinges was peeling badly and flaking off. Again another thing that made me think the car had had the roof painted and been badly done. I went and checked out a couple in the show room at Dick Lovett and they were the same so another common problem.

fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Saturday 11th July
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Tough crowd. These are now new cars. Mine has a bit of the crackle paint going near the edge I never thought anything of it. I deal with some cars that have Honda K20 Engines in my business and it's standard procedure for that paint to flake after time. The Ferrari paint actually looks a much higher quality than that used on the Honda.

WilliamWaiver

238 posts

1 month

Saturday 11th July
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fridaypassion said:
Tough crowd. These are now new cars. Mine has a bit of the crackle paint going near the edge I never thought anything of it. I deal with some cars that have Honda K20 Engines in my business and it's standard procedure for that paint to flake after time. The Ferrari paint actually looks a much higher quality than that used on the Honda.
Bit of a difference between a £200k ferrari and a £30k Honda.
I would expect it to be a lot better

chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Saturday 11th July
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fridaypassion said:
I'm going to work in mine tomorrow if you want a look over another one I'm just 25 mins south of JCT. You may accidentally buy a Lotus at my place though I can't guarantee that won't happen biggrin
Sorry mate only just seen this, that said i had a 280 mile around trip so did not have much time for stuff

achaddy

28 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July
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fridaypassion said:
Tough crowd. These are now new cars. Mine has a bit of the crackle paint going near the edge I never thought anything of it. I deal with some cars that have Honda K20 Engines in my business and it's standard procedure for that paint to flake after time. The Ferrari paint actually looks a much higher quality than that used on the Honda.
I think when your spending £150K on a car which displays the engine under a glass lid. You would expect it to look 100%.
Guess the honda engine is hidden under some steel boot lid that no one really cares about. How many walk up to a Honda and say can I look at the engine.
Pretty much standard request for a Ferrari.

mwstewart

5,733 posts

144 months

Sunday 12th July
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Some things never change: no etch primer underneath the crackle paint and the black areas sprayed directly over the finished body colour. No key, no primer. It's minor really but it should be better.

chippy348

425 posts

103 months

Monday 13th July
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Regy53 said:
Ah I’m glad they mentioned it as they tried to say they were fine to me. Tbh that car was from Scotland by the history and it shows in things like striker bolts. I’m out atm but I’ll upload some pics later. The sales guy got his fitter out to me to tell me it’s all normal. The car I ended up with also had crinkle issues but zero bolts were rusty etc
Back up for sale for £139,000 they sold it to me for £133 !

No photos yet but it is the same car

https://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2012/fer...

I ended up with this one > https://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2012/fer...

Better / cleaner car for me



WilliamWaiver

238 posts

1 month

Monday 13th July
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Graypaul Solihull are a joke to deal with.
I've never forgiven them for a px bid on one of my cars that was £25k behind trade price on a mint 2 owner high spec lambo with 3,000 miles
Seemed they wanted top price for their car and £50k spread on mine when their lambo sister company had poorer spec cars up for more.
Crazzzzzzy bar stewards. Makes me laugh as their car is still there nearly 12 months later which is hardly surprising if that's how they operate.
Plenty of alternatives out there these days

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Tuesday 14th July
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chippy348 said:
Back up for sale for £139,000 they sold it to me for £133 !

No photos yet but it is the same car

https://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2012/fer...

I ended up with this one > https://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2012/fer...

Better / cleaner car for me

Congrats!! Much nicer car the carbon dash alone I realised I couldn’t do without, the carbon rear bumper I like and have on mine. I was tempted for this but the dealer wouldn’t move on price. This was in the middle of covid. It did come down from high 30’s iirc

Lovely car

fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th July
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I think JCT knocked 5k off all the 458s it seems to have worked for them. I'm the same in my car sales business yes there are a lot of punters around but we are still maintaining sensible prices and keeping very busy as a consequence.

650spider

1,078 posts

127 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Juno said:
WilliamWaiver said:
chippy348 said:
Based on what experience ?

This is not a Mclaren or a BMW M5, 70k in a years time is not going to happen, if you believe all the hype if anything they are going to rise slightly.

Yes I'm fully aware of all the "Hype" associated to the car hence why they are currently strong money but eventually that hype has got to subside as newer and better products become cheaper. At that point which has got to be soon IMHO there will be a massive downward price correction plus add in the massive trade to retail bids Ferrari dealers give I don't think £70k could be that far off the mark in even just a years time but after only owning 4 Ferraris what do I know.
Only fair that someone new entering the fold hears both sides and goes in with eyes open. As a Ferrari owner I've got no axe to grind just an honest opinion that might be slightly less bias to a 458 owner with a stake in the game
That will put a nice 430 at about 35-40k then and a 360 at circa £25k Looks like bargains to be had going forward rofl
I know...just crazy talk.

I am guessing you forget that, just say, 9 short years ago, you were picking up F355 spiders for around £27k after a wee bump in the financial world, with 360s and F430s closely following suit...

If you genuinely think that 458s are going stay put at around £135k-150k, best of luck to you.

As soon as bbl's dry up, furlough ends and finance companies start being very cautious about the value of an already ageing 458 in 4 years time making financing just too expensive and therefore reducing the amount of potential buyers dramatically, they shall be hit hard...£70k...for poor spec / condition stuff yes. £90-99k...that will be entry price for decent 458s by next year.

i do not feel as though Williewaiver is trying to cause an argument, he is just being a realist.

If you have any doubts, before you buy a 458, call a main dealer, give them the chassis number of the car you are looking at, pretend you already own it and ask them for a bid for a little reality check on true 'value'...and thats now...not next spring when it shall be a lot different.

WilliamWaiver

238 posts

1 month

Tuesday 14th July
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Definitely not trying to cause an argument or upset anyone but just giving my objective opinion as I have no horse in the race or beef with Ferrari as a serial prancing horse owner.
Soz if its not what you want to hear but as suggested you could always call a ferrari dealer for todays trade value ( as long as you are sitting down ).
I fell over when they gave me a value on my mint 430 scud against a pista.
Limited edition RHD car 12k in rosso scuderia with retail value over £200k and I was offered £155k lol on an above list expensive pista that dealer has had 6 months.
I was flabbergasted !

fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th July
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Name any car that's not at risk of a bit of fluctuation over the next year there is no car in this planet right now that is not at risk of some pricing turbulence. Just drive the fecking things. There will be no complete market collapse maybe a drop that's big enough to motivate you to hold onto it a while longer. The 458 is imho a pretty unique car I think its completely impervious to any new car that even ferrari can bring along. Even if a new F car had 1000bhp it would be hybrid or turbo. To have the last NA V8 is a truly special thing. I think the prices will remain pretty resilient but ultimately they aren't an investment. They were 200k new now 135 that's not a sensible investment. They are unlikely to appreciate due to strong production numbers. Just drive it.

Regy53

79 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th July
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I bought mine knowing that with any car they will devalue immediately but also I do think they will hold up over time. As i said it will always end up with a cult ish following, quite a iconic design one of the ones everybody says they got spot on, last v8 nasp and that noise is something you wont replicate it adds so much to the experience imo.. I see it losing money in the next few years but they will bottom and probably rise once thats happened.. Sub 100k? potentially but i think good examples may stick above this

fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th July
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I saw two on the road yesterday they are common as muck these Fiats!

One heading northbound on the A1 near Wetherby and the other unfortunately on the back of an RAC truck looking like it was heading towards JCT.


WilliamWaiver

238 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th July
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fridaypassion said:
I saw two on the road yesterday they are common as muck these Fiats!

One heading northbound on the A1 near Wetherby and the other unfortunately on the back of an RAC truck looking like it was heading towards JCT.
Yeah thats the other consideration as there are loads made in comparison to other marques

fridaypassion

5,030 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th July
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Are you aware of the British based supercar manufacturer "McLaren"? used to make pushchairs iirc.

There's loads of everything these days. Aren't 911 GT3 and 4 going open production without having to go dogging with the OPC manager?

WilliamWaiver

238 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th July
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fridaypassion said:
Are you aware of the British based supercar manufacturer "McLaren"? used to make pushchairs iirc.

There's loads of everything these days. Aren't 911 GT3 and 4 going open production without having to go dogging with the OPC manager?
I'm sure someone will be along to say they wouldn't trust their child in a mclaren wheel chair and it will fall a part and be on the tip worth 2p by the time the child is 5.

Porsche GT product is far too common for me since 993 im afraid to say.
991 onwards its been a ridiculous and endless churn.
I live in a select private gated community and 3 of the 6 houses have GT3s.
Love winding them up with the common as muck line