GT3 to 458

GT3 to 458

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rat rod

2,468 posts

32 months

Sunday 9th May
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Cheib said:
rat rod said:
Cheib said:
Manual 997 GTS is a lovely car....not many for sale because owners love them. Mid £60k's is the right number for one of them. It's one of those cars that is better than the sum of its parts. Just a little bit sportier than a regular 997 in terms of chassis and it has what is known as a Powerkit engine which makes an extra 30 bhp but crucially if you have a manual gives it a nicer and more rewarding top end. It's the marriage of the 6 speed gearbox and that engine that makes the car. It's not a GT3 mind.
While looking though the classifieds i must admit to the gts turning my head but didn't know much about them,

that would be a good compromise between a standard 997 and a 991 ,

Prefer the size of the 997 , looks like it might be more agile but that might be my imagination.

Not sure i would want to pay the premium for a older GT3 but would rather go the whole hog dig deeper and get a GT3 RS

Thanks for the info ,very intersting about the gts,
997 and 991 is very similar in width. 991 has longer wheelbase and wider glasshouse so feels bigger. 991 Carrera or Carrera S feels more like a GT car than a Sports Car when you’re not pushing it....when you do push it then feels like a Sports Car. 997 feels more like a Sports Car all of the time to me.
Must admit to getting confused these days with the different numbers bounding about,confusedconfused

Mind you that's not hard lately ,almost getting as bad as sleepy Joe Binden.

Been driving Porsches for 40 plus years and all i had to remember was 356 AB or C , Carrera ,SC Sport or none Sport and 930,

I am surprised that there's not much difference between the two ,need to see them parked together,

At the moment my brain is saying GTS ,it combines what i like and looks a little old school.

Thanks for putting me straight on all these numbers, Think i'll go for a lie down now sleep


Cheib

20,546 posts

142 months

Sunday 9th May
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rat rod said:
Been driving Porsches for 40 plus years and all i had to remember was 356 AB or C , Carrera ,SC Sport or none Sport and 930,
I think you're over simplifying things with the 356's !!! You've missed out Speedster, Roadster (Single and Twin Grille), Cabriolet, Cabriolet D, Continental Cabriolet, T5, T6, ....and Carrera GT biggrin

It's taken me a good year to get my head round most of that lot. I mean who knew you needed three distinct types of soft top !!!!

SagMan

556 posts

187 months

Sunday 9th May
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Brewster Green said:
Taffy66 said:
I owned both concurrently(both now sold) and like Cheib said very different cars. The 458 rides much better especially in 'bumpy mode' but the GT3 has more grip in corners(wider Cup 2s). I felt the 458 was a fair bit faster in a straight line but the GT3's PCCBs were superior in all aspects especially when cold. The 458 garners more attention from the public but it was the GT3 boy racers wanted to chase. A lot of this was due to my GT3 being Racing yellow and my 458 in a subdued Grigio Silverstone.
The racing seats in the 458 had much harder cushions but was still hugely supportive and comfy on long trips. Perceived build quality is higher in the GT3 but in reality after much use the 458 is pretty much bomb proof even the interior materials. The 458 is ultra sensitive to having the correct geo and the best tyres. I fitted a set of K1 MP4Ss to my 458 and they transformed the car for the better and was truly astonishing in the wet, much much better than the GT3 in similar conditions.
The steering feel was much better in the GT3 as was throttle modulation. Both were equally quick revving.
I liked both equally and for someone coming out of a 991.2GT3 then a nice 458 is a logical and different alternative.
Thanks Taffy for your comprehensive reply.

I put the GT3 on MPS4S's as I did not like the Cup 2's in the wet. I was certainly glad I did when I went to Millbrook on the wettest day in history last August.

Prior to my purchase of the GT3 I did loads of research, not one bad review. I had a couple of 911's prior and loved them, I thus thought the GT3 would be fantastic. Short test drives didn't really show me the car, I now worry I could make the same mistake with a 458.

I am just a average driver and I think I therefore really couldn't get the most from the car. I don't want more power, so I am not looking at the 458 as a performance improvement. I am interested in the replacement being more fun at slower speeds and touring Europe in comfort. I just want a smile on my face every time I drive it!


Thanks to everyone who has replied, I look forward to hearing more.
Hi OP
I’ve been lucky enough to own both but it was 458 prior to 991.2 GT3 Manual. Very different cars, but both are stunning engineering . For me if I had to choose again , it would be 458. Why ? So much more of an event at slower speeds (modify exhaust valve on 458 for noise at low revs ) . I tracked both and actually preferred 458, probably because the E-Diff flattered me ! But for cruising about the 458 every time .
I’ve actually thought about going back but can’t get my head around current prices, higher than I sold mine a few years ago ! But, I went Huracan with race exhaust . Bloody love it , attention is excessive for me, but I’m in love with the shrieking V10 with the Rock star looks every time I see it in the drive .
Go get a 458, I’m sure you will not regret it !


rat rod

2,468 posts

32 months

Sunday 9th May
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Cheib said:
rat rod said:
Been driving Porsches for 40 plus years and all i had to remember was 356 AB or C , Carrera ,SC Sport or none Sport and 930,
I think you're over simplifying things with the 356's !!! You've missed out Speedster, Roadster (Single and Twin Grille), Cabriolet, Cabriolet D, Continental Cabriolet, T5, T6, ....and Carrera GT biggrin

It's taken me a good year to get my head round most of that lot. I mean who knew you needed three distinct types of soft top !!!!
I thought life had got to completed with all the new models but it's probably always been like that it's just i was younger and was capable

to keep up with it all,rolleyes


NSC79

94 posts

44 months

Sunday 9th May
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I love the idea of the 458 “fading away”, AV185. The cinematic equivalent would be Star Wars fading away. It might date, but it’s going nowhere me ode mucker.

I was giggling like a schoolgirl in my 458 spider earlier. It’s epic. A complete assault on the senses.

No doubt prices will drop, but I doubt it will ever be a bloodbath unless the entire sector goes pop.

As for attention. Yep. Loads. All good so far, apart from nearly being written off earlier by a kid in an oncoming ST trying to take a photo whilst driving. One wan@er sign so far, but that was a guy up a ladder who got a surprise when the valves opened. I probably would have done the same.

Edited by NSC79 on Sunday 9th May 22:52

Brewster Green

Original Poster:

11 posts

2 months

Monday 10th May
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SagMan said:
Hi OP
I’ve been lucky enough to own both but it was 458 prior to 991.2 GT3 Manual. Very different cars, but both are stunning engineering . For me if I had to choose again , it would be 458. Why ? So much more of an event at slower speeds (modify exhaust valve on 458 for noise at low revs ) . I tracked both and actually preferred 458, probably because the E-Diff flattered me ! But for cruising about the 458 every time .
I’ve actually thought about going back but can’t get my head around current prices, higher than I sold mine a few years ago ! But, I went Huracan with race exhaust . Bloody love it , attention is excessive for me, but I’m in love with the shrieking V10 with the Rock star looks every time I see it in the drive .
Go get a 458, I’m sure you will not regret it !
Thanks for the info, as one can't really test drive at the moment, I am thinking of renting one for a day.

Brewster Green

Original Poster:

11 posts

2 months

Monday 10th May
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Thank you all for your input.

I am very slowly getting my head around the Ferrari world, and finding it really interesting. After over 20 years in the Porsche world which I understood, I knew what was wanted etc.

What are people's thoughts on colours to buy (other than red) and avoid, and how much do carbon seats really add?

Thanks again in advance.

MingtheMerciless

355 posts

176 months

Monday 10th May
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Brewster Green said:
Hi All

I have just sold my GT3 991.2, great car but I did not find it fun.

I am thinking of a 458, I am however worried about the "right" price for colours, seats, extras and mileage as there seems to be such a big range. I found in the GT3 I would pull up at traffic lights and someone in a Ford ST would try and race me, I really disliked that image.

The question is have you experienced any negative feedback, and thoughts on spec and current retail prices?

Thanks in advance
Just going back to this question, what was it you didn't find fun about the GT3? I have only driven a GT3 on track, but I've driven it quite a bit on track and I found it immense fun. I have used my 458 on track but only occasionally and I think I rate the 991 GT3 ahead of it, By a whisker. On track. The 458 is immense fun on the road, the most fun of any recent Ferrari I think anyway (e.g. more fun than a 488 or an F8, but of course that is totally subjective and no-one is "wrong" if they found either of those cars more fun.

A basic spec high miles 458 will be pretty much the same fun to drive but much harder to shift if you don't gel with it. I like the race seats and agree with Taffy's comments above. I don't think a lifter is necessary for most drivers' circumstances (oddly enough the GT3 needs one more) but better to find out in advance than afterwards. Carbon lifts the interior, reverse cameras and shields are nice but the only "must have" to my mind is leds on the steering wheel.

I have found only positive reactions to the 458. Constant encouragement to give it some beans but not in a race me sense.


NSC79

94 posts

44 months

Monday 10th May
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I sat in both and had to go for the carbon seats after that. I didn't drive the non carbon seat car, so I accept it may have been better on the road, but it didn't feel like they had enough support in the shoulder area.

Taffy66

4,673 posts

69 months

Monday 10th May
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In terms of ease of resale i think the Carbon Race seats are a huge benefit, same for the 488. In terms of best colour for the 458 which is subjective, however Rosso is a safe bet but my personal fav is Grigio Silverstone.
Spec wise then Lifter not really needed unless you happen to have a particularly steel driveway entrance. Must haves are Race seats, Forged wheels, Carbon LED steering wheel, Parking sensors. Nice to haves include Rear camera, Interior Carbon, JBL and Upgraded lights.

WCZ

8,660 posts

161 months

Tuesday 11th May
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I personally wouldn't have one without the race seats

DumDum

144 posts

123 months

Friday 14th May
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I wouldnt have one without the race seats, they are really comfortable and look much better.
Everyone who says they wanted the fat squidgy ones, is kidding themselves.
Cars without them are much harder to shift.


Chris355

718 posts

163 months

Friday 14th May
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458 is one of my favourite cars. So much so that I am just about to buy another.

Shields, LED steering wheel and the thin spoke alloys that you see most commonly are must haves. I don’t really understand why people consider the LED steering wheel a must have as i just find it annoying, but it is very difficult to sell one without it.

Good history and reasonable mileage are big factors. I don’t like crazy low mileage as I find them troublesome when you use them, but equally I don’t want high mileage as they are difficult to sell.

I prefer the carbon seats but the one I’m about to buy has Daytona seats, which are second choice for me, but it will be nice to try something different. Its also my first black Ferrari (all of my past ones have been red). I love black cars and I’m hoping it will also make it a little more subtle.



mike746

97 posts

75 months

Monday 17th May
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Hi OP just my 2 pence worth. I brought a 458 last year in June. I love it, especially after fitting a full Capristo system to it. its fast, agile and an occasion to drive. lucky for me ive also gone back to a gt3 991.1. I really missed my gt3, so ive kept the 458 and now have both.
Both very different cars, but if I want to go for a quick blast or go for dinner then its the 458, but if I'm heading to Wales etc or the track then the gt3 is 100% the way to go!
I wouldn't be without my gt3, but also I plan on never selling the 458.

Brewster Green

Original Poster:

11 posts

2 months

Wednesday 19th May
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Thanks all for your comments and advice so far.

I am still very keen to get my first Ferrari, having been a Porsche man for 22 years, but unfortunately nothing on Autotrader that really says yes.

I continue to look and research!

Brewster Green

Original Poster:

11 posts

2 months

Friday 4th June
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Getting closer, any colours to avoid? Resale red ones are out of my price range.

Really like greys, avoid yellow but what about Nero Daytona?

Thanks

johnnyreggae

2,629 posts

127 months

Friday 4th June
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For whom are you buying the car ? A hundred thousand anonymous internet users or you - buy what you like and/or what turns up (because they are going so quick !)

TB303

1,008 posts

161 months

Friday 4th June
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Brewster Green said:
Getting closer, any colours to avoid? Resale red ones are out of my price range.

Really like greys, avoid yellow but what about Nero Daytona?

Thanks
The greys look great to me. I think yellow looks great (Amari car?) but wouldn’t want to own one.

Black looks very cool, but you have to like washing cars. I wouldn’t have a black car again myself. Breathe on it and it’s dirty.