Potential 458 spider purchase

[fridaypassion]

Not really you have to try different things. Luckily I'm in a GT3 so will be hopefully able to keep up with 458 prices by the 911 going up by a similar amount.

[f1ten]

Do you not think there is a price point at which they cannot go over.
For example most of the buyers for supercars are chasing the 1 to 3 Yr old cars and I'm quite sure also most are pcp ING the purchase. Whereas buyers of older supercars are less likely financing to rlsame percentage leverage if at all.

fridaypassion said:

Spleen said:

If you say so.

I say that as an ex owner! Will be looking for another one soon. There are loads less cars around than there was when I bought my last one. They are peak car and are underpriced. Its only just starting to dawn....

[fridaypassion]

The market will always dictate but there have been some eyewatering sums changing hands for 458s. Luckily for me they are mainly undriveable ones with too low miles for my useage. The "driver" market has gone up a bit but not as acutely as the top end.

[Spleen]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-458-4-5-Spider-...

330k for an 800 miler. Can’t decide if that’s laughably stupid or realistic.

[av185]

Truly laughable.

Especially having regard to the vendor.

[m333m444]

guys do you think should we rush now and get 458 or wait a bit more..

I get that people say it is the last v8 NA but the price gap between 458 and 812 getting smaller. I mean I would never say no to 812 next to 458 and anyone who says no is definetly biased. So the buyers like me may shift to 812 if 458 goes crazy.

Additionally, the interior and exterior conditions are getting worse and worse. Almost all the 458s I have checked had maybe 12 months life rest in their seats, probably many of yours too ( but you wont say anyways). I am an upholsterer, so the interior retrim isnt that costly for me but so far I could not use it as a discount medium.

What do you guys think?

[Rari]

You can’t compare the two.

One’s a front engine V12 and the other a V8 mid engine.

You either want a 458 or 812 (F12)

F12 is closer in price to a 458….?

[Akajak]

m333m444 said:

guys do you think should we rush now and get 458 or wait a bit more..

I get that people say it is the last v8 NA but the price gap between 458 and 812 getting smaller. I mean I would never say no to 812 next to 458 and anyone who says no is definetly biased. So the buyers like me may shift to 812 if 458 goes crazy.

Additionally, the interior and exterior conditions are getting worse and worse. Almost all the 458s I have checked had maybe 12 months life rest in their seats, probably many of yours too ( but you wont say anyways). I am an upholsterer, so the interior retrim isnt that costly for me but so far I could not use it as a discount medium.

What do you guys think?

Get an 812 if 458’s are getting worse and worse although if you are also a guy who can fix the exterior problems you are seeing then you are on a winner

[Spleen]

Last time I looked an 812 was way into 200k+ but I’m not seeing any 458s anywhere near that sort of pricing?

[Mark Stevens]

I have both 812 & 458, totally different cars & totally different prices points. They are not comparable.

Both low mileage so interior is fine.

[m333m444]

Akajak said:

Get an 812 if 458’s are getting worse and worse although if you are also a guy who can fix the exterior problems you are seeing then you are on a winner

I might also find a good deal on that but depends on the situation at that time. To a point, it would be great to find a unrecorded cat d , repair, respray and ppf it.

Btw there is 30-40k difference between similiar mileage 458 and 812, that is what I meant. I know their difference but can't think someone likes 458 does not like 812.

[Gibbo205]

m333m444 said:

guys do you think should we rush now and get 458 or wait a bit more..

I get that people say it is the last v8 NA but the price gap between 458 and 812 getting smaller. I mean I would never say no to 812 next to 458 and anyone who says no is definetly biased. So the buyers like me may shift to 812 if 458 goes crazy.

Additionally, the interior and exterior conditions are getting worse and worse. Almost all the 458s I have checked had maybe 12 months life rest in their seats, probably many of yours too ( but you wont say anyways). I am an upholsterer, so the interior retrim isnt that costly for me but so far I could not use it as a discount medium.

What do you guys think?

You must be looking at some bad examples, my 458 passed 25,000 miles this weekend, the interior still looks brand new, even the drivers seat shows little to no wear.

458 and 812 are not comparable, go drive them both, one is a hardcore GT and is an animal, the other is a more planted mid-engined supercar and feels smaller on the road. Both are incredible but for me I could not trade my 458 for an 812 I would need to own both cars side by side.

A decent 458 Italia is 140-160k, a decent 812 is around 250k, quite a price difference.

[bertie]

I've had my 458 Spider from new in 2013, and I've had and still have various things, but if I could only keep one car it would be my 458 Spider.

As others have said it's just peak Ferrari to me, and does everything whilst feeling special every time.

[Chad_Hugo]

m333m444 said:

guys do you think should we rush now and get 458 or wait a bit more..

I get that people say it is the last v8 NA but the price gap between 458 and 812 getting smaller. I mean I would never say no to 812 next to 458 and anyone who says no is definetly biased. So the buyers like me may shift to 812 if 458 goes crazy.

Additionally, the interior and exterior conditions are getting worse and worse. Almost all the 458s I have checked had maybe 12 months life rest in their seats, probably many of yours too ( but you wont say anyways). I am an upholsterer, so the interior retrim isnt that costly for me but so far I could not use it as a discount medium.

What do you guys think?

Not sure where you have been looking or where you get your information from, but that is quite a strange conclusion you have come to in my view.

The gap between 458 and 812 in price is huge! If anything it is getting bigger not smaller, as 812 prices look like they have continued to go up at a decent rate the past 6 months whilst I would say 458 prices have more or less held their 2021 peaks, maybe risen very slightly since for some desirably cars but not as much.

You can't get a 812 for less than 250k, minimum.

Also the cars are so different comparison is pointless, this has already been pointed out but about the only thing they have in common is they are both a Ferrari.

I would (and did) pick a 458 as a mid engine V8, but that's no reflection on the 812 it's just what suited my needs most, my aim is to add a V12 engine car to it at some point as again something like a 812, F12, (even more so FF which is my main interest now) are different cars for a different type of driving experience and usage and to me compliment a 458 perfectly but would never replacing it.

Good luck whatever you decide, both are phenomenal cars...

Edited by Chad_Hugo on Wednesday 8th June 18:57