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mirage5512

283 posts

161 months

Tuesday 29th September
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My car lives outside and it’s no problem whatsoever.

It’s a great car and you won’t regret it unless you worry about fuel which is BAD at 10-15mpg for me. 2014 car.

The performance of the car for the money is very good indeed.

Good luck!

F355GTS

3,584 posts

213 months

Wednesday 30th September
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George29 said:
F355GTS said:
I'd add it's been on the market for a long long time 12 months+ and I think was on at £105k back then, definitely worth pushing for a deal. I met somebody that looked at it but didn't like the red painted dash part and also the lack of LED steering wheel, both very personal of course ??
Cheers for that. The red dash was a bit different but I could live with it, and I actually want one without the LED steering wheel, and with no carbon so it ticks all the boxes for spec.

Might be a stupid question but I assume they’re ok with being left outside all the time rather than garaged?

Also is there a way to keep the valves open in the exhaust permanently? In Aston’s you just remove a fuse, not sure if there’s anything similar with Ferrari?
Re the exhaust you can remove the vacuum tubes and they default to open, not sure you need it though it sounds fantastic. You can get a remote valve allowing you to have a dash switch or wireless remote.

Mine's garaged so cant really comment fully, the build quality is great but not sure how things like trims etc will hold up.

MDL111

4,884 posts

135 months

Wednesday 30th September
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I have a switch for the flaps - believe it is made by capristo and doesn’t cost much
With regards to living outside, it is probably fine for a while - but you need to drive it regularly as the battery in the FF does not do well if left standing without a trickle charger

Van Dessel

47 posts

16 months

Wednesday 30th September
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Does anyone have any insight into the sales profile of a 2+2 like the FF around units sold from 2011/12 until 2015/16?

Does it start with a bang of interest then decrease steadily as newness wanes?

Would most FFs (in the UK anyway) be 2012/13s with maybe a smaller peak in 2015 where the updates attracted a few more buyers?

I'd be interested to hear any opinions, musing or facts...thanks.

ANOpax

249 posts

124 months

Thursday 1st October
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Van Dessel said:
Does anyone have any insight into the sales profile of a 2+2 like the FF around units sold from 2011/12 until 2015/16?

Does it start with a bang of interest then decrease steadily as newness wanes?

Would most FFs (in the UK anyway) be 2012/13s with maybe a smaller peak in 2015 where the updates attracted a few more buyers?

I'd be interested to hear any opinions, musing or facts...thanks.
Here are the facts (from the Ferrari annual report);




These are production rather than sales numbers so there will be a little lag for the sales figures.
The only estimated figure is the 2016 number as there is a crossover between FF and V12 Lusso production that year. I have assumed that 1/3 of 2016 output was FF and 2/3 were Lusso.

George29

14,445 posts

122 months

Thursday 1st October
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mirage5512 said:
My car lives outside and it’s no problem whatsoever.

It’s a great car and you won’t regret it unless you worry about fuel which is BAD at 10-15mpg for me. 2014 car.

The performance of the car for the money is very good indeed.

Good luck!
Thanks! I have one more to go and see this weekend and then should hopefully make a decision between the two

Not to fussed about fuel, got to accept it was never going to be great!

F355GTS said:
Re the exhaust you can remove the vacuum tubes and they default to open, not sure you need it though it sounds fantastic. You can get a remote valve allowing you to have a dash switch or wireless remote.

Mine's garaged so cant really comment fully, the build quality is great but not sure how things like trims etc will hold up.
Perfect thanks, the valve controller sounds ideal. Will definitely look into that

MDL111 said:
I have a switch for the flaps - believe it is made by capristo and doesn’t cost much
With regards to living outside, it is probably fine for a while - but you need to drive it regularly as the battery in the FF does not do well if left standing without a trickle charger
Thanks. It shouldn’t be left more than a couple of days at a time as it will be my daily car. Is it worth fitting a different sort of battery or is there just a lot of drain on any battery when parked up?

MDL111

4,884 posts

135 months

Thursday 1st October
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I think a few days should be fine, I had my battery replaced with a stronger one by Ferrari but it still doesn’t like to be left for more than say 5-6 days at a time.

Van Dessel

47 posts

16 months

Thursday 1st October
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Many thanks ANOpax. I wrongly assumed when Chrysler sold their 90% stake Ferrari went private again hence no public reporting obligation. Seems they are ~65% public at the moment.

The numbers are kinda as assumed, starts with a bang then tails off. Re; your Lusso comment, is your 2016 figure then 1/3 of the total 2+2 production that year, i.e. did you already strip out the 2/3 Lussos?

Given 90% of the UK cars on AT/PH are 2012s the expiry of the 7 year service contract seems like a BIG trigger to sell...?

MDL111

4,884 posts

135 months

Thursday 1st October
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Van Dessel said:
Many thanks ANOpax. I wrongly assumed when Chrysler sold their 90% stake Ferrari went private again hence no public reporting obligation. Seems they are ~65% public at the moment.

The numbers are kinda as assumed, starts with a bang then tails off. Re; your Lusso comment, is your 2016 figure then 1/3 of the total 2+2 production that year, i.e. did you already strip out the 2/3 Lussos?

Given 90% of the UK cars on AT/PH are 2012s the expiry of the 7 year service contract seems like a BIG trigger to sell...?
The service really does not cost all that much, so I would not pay substantially more for a car with some years left
From memory it is 1.100 euros if you pre-pay it with warranty extension for the following year (not completely sure on the figure, but certainly not a huge one)

ANOpax

249 posts

124 months

Thursday 1st October
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Van Dessel said:
Many thanks ANOpax. Re; your Lusso comment, is your 2016 figure then 1/3 of the total 2+2 production that year, i.e. did you already strip out the 2/3 Lussos?
You’re welcome. Yes, you are correct. I already stripped out the Lussos. Total V12 GT production in 2016 was 394 cars (including FF and V12 Lusso).

George29

14,445 posts

122 months

Saturday 3rd October
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Bought the Tom Hartley car today! Can’t wait to pick it up. My first Ferrari. Wasn’t even a fan of them when they came out but they’ve grown on me loads, love the idea of a Ferrari that I can use every day!

Van Dessel

47 posts

16 months

Saturday 3rd October
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Congrats George on the purchase. What a great experience, I hope you and the family enjoy roaring around in style creating great memories.

Did the car require any fettling before it was ready? Has it ever had the PTU services or looked at?

Cheers!

F355GTS

3,584 posts

213 months

Sunday 4th October
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Congratulations. you'll love it 👍👍👍

Not Ideal

2,620 posts

146 months

Monday 5th October
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^^ Mega! Congrats on the purchase. Keep the updates coming please.

mirage5512

283 posts

161 months

Monday 5th October
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Can you post a couple of pictures?

Congrats as well, like I said before you won’t get a better car for the money in my opinion.

I just realised today when I was in mine it’s the longest I’ve kept a Ferrari at 2 1/4 years and I think I’m gonna keep it now as all the used V12’s will get more expensive as soon as they stop production of the n/a V12 which is not far away at all.

When you combine all this I expect you won’t lose any money on your car as long as you keep it a few years and it’s such a useful car it gets used more than most Ferrari’s.

Anyway have fun!

Edited by mirage5512 on Monday 5th October 22:05

George29

14,445 posts

122 months

Wednesday 7th October
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Thanks thumbup

Will post some pics once I pick it up which unfortunately isn't until next week as I'm away. Counting down the days though!

F355GTS

3,584 posts

213 months

Wednesday 7th October
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Enjoy the anticipation, I'll have had mine 4 Years this month, was going to see it but used it more than the 458 this year as it's so practical, plenty of room for 3 adults and a Black Lab biggrin

George29

14,445 posts

122 months

Wednesday 7th October
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F355GTS said:
Enjoy the anticipation, I'll have had mine 4 Years this month, was going to see it but used it more than the 458 this year as it's so practical, plenty of room for 3 adults and a Black Lab biggrin
This will be my only car for now so planning on using it every day! Will be doing between 15-25k miles per year in it. Cost a fortune in fuel but why not.

Hoping to get a Testarossa in the next year or two to sit along side it

Inspectorclueso

368 posts

210 months

Friday 9th October
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George, I'll be interested to see how you get on, I am watching these as I've always wanted a V12 Ferrari and given I have a family, the 2 seat models just wont get used. I'd love one for Euor road trips with my two boys to various F1 weekends...that's the plan ! Did you have any warranty discussions during your viewings. I'm just wondering if there is a way to acquire one from a good indy and still have some decent cover to mitigate any big bills, like gearbox etc... I dont expect it to be peanuts to run, but I'd prefer to avoid big hits if possible....?


George29

14,445 posts

122 months

Saturday 10th October
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Inspectorclueso said:
George, I'll be interested to see how you get on, I am watching these as I've always wanted a V12 Ferrari and given I have a family, the 2 seat models just wont get used. I'd love one for Euor road trips with my two boys to various F1 weekends...that's the plan ! Did you have any warranty discussions during your viewings. I'm just wondering if there is a way to acquire one from a good indy and still have some decent cover to mitigate any big bills, like gearbox etc... I dont expect it to be peanuts to run, but I'd prefer to avoid big hits if possible....?
Will let you know after a few weeks of running it!

I’ve got the Ferrari power warranty for the first year after then I’ll see if it’s worth renewing or not. I’m in the exact same boat as you, just want to avoid any big hits on the car.




Also as an other question about FFs - I take it I should run it just on super unleaded? Or is it like an Aston V12 where it’s just mapped for 95 and there’s no benefit to the higher octane?