FF prices

FF prices

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LiveOnce

74 posts

74 months

Wednesday 10th March
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ANOpax said:
That’s a beautiful car - Pozzi Blu?
Did you start out with the hi-power hifi factory option in the car or just the standard install?
If you wouldn’t mind PM-ing me the finer details too that would be much appreciated.
Nero Daytona actually! And yes it had the JBL hi power option from the factory. I’ll drop you a pm now..

GT3RSTim

1 posts

2 months

Sunday 14th March
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There has been so much useful information on this thread thank you!

I'm trying to decide between "head" choice of 991 Turbo S or a "heart" choice of FF. Budget is £100-£110k. Have a daily driver so less than 5k miles pa. Having owned many Porsches over the years, I am comfortable with running costs but Italian exotica makes me a little fearful. Both choices are very quick and can travel many miles in relative comfort and style but one has a V12, the other doesn't!

I will be taking our finance and a PCP on the 911 comes back with some decent residuals which makes it more bearable, no quotes for the FF choice as yet.

Any others been through a similar exercise?

TiA

belfry

708 posts

147 months

Sunday 14th March
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I was looking at the £108k dark silver car. The residual after 3 years and 5k miles pa was £63k if that’s useful.

Mattjevans

197 posts

57 months

Monday 15th March
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Belfry, which finance company was that from please ?

belfry

708 posts

147 months

Monday 15th March
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Aldermore

Van Dessel

99 posts

23 months

Wednesday 17th March
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LiveOnce said:
Nero Daytona actually! And yes it had the JBL hi power option from the factory. I’ll drop you a pm now..
Out of interest - where do they locate the sub-woofer box and the power amps for the stereo? In the luggage compartment? Under the rear seats? Thanks

LiveOnce

74 posts

74 months

Wednesday 17th March
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The sub is in the factory location in the boot behind the mesh on the left hand side as you’re looking in from the rear. One amp is located under the boot lining and the other is located on the right hand side where the CD changer was.






TheMonster

99 posts

194 months

Thursday 18th March
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Can someone shed any light on pricing for FFs at the moment?

Specifically why has this one (2015 car at Mayfair Prestige for £110k) http://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/9430022 not sold despite being on the face of it well priced compared to other examples e,g, http://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11026220 (2015, Lux Classics for £133k). I know the first one has done 30k miles but surely that doesn't make so much difference.

Not sure I really get pricing on these at the moment. Are any of those listed actually really selling - there have been a couple on either Collecting Cars or The Market that seemed to go for much less than asking prices and i wonder whether that is where the market is, it was a bad week or something else.

ANOpax

432 posts

131 months

Friday 19th March
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TheMonster said:
Can someone shed any light on pricing for FFs at the moment?

Specifically why has this one (2015 car at Mayfair Prestige for £110k) http://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/9430022 not sold despite being on the face of it well priced compared to other examples e,g, http://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11026220 (2015, Lux Classics for £133k). I know the first one has done 30k miles but surely that doesn't make so much difference.

Not sure I really get pricing on these at the moment. Are any of those listed actually really selling - there have been a couple on either Collecting Cars or The Market that seemed to go for much less than asking prices and i wonder whether that is where the market is, it was a bad week or something else.
It's largely the mileage. On the continent, a rule of thumb is 10k km difference is worth €10k. That translates to £7k for every 5k miles. So, adjusting for mileage, that should be a £25k difference and the two cars are £23k apart on price so the market is rational. Obviously these rules of thumb change as the cars age and condition becomes more important than mileage but while the oldest FFs are heading into that territory at 10 years old, the cars you're considering are still young at only 6 so the rule of thumb most likely still applies.

Mattjevans

197 posts

57 months

Sunday 21st March
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I’ve fallen down the FF vs Lusso T (for the same deposit and near-enough monthlies) wormhole.

I know you are all probably V12 lovers, but I’m genuinely stuck. This is meant to be fun 🤦‍♂️

ANOpax

432 posts

131 months

Sunday 21st March
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Mattjevans said:
I’ve fallen down the FF vs Lusso T (for the same deposit and near-enough monthlies) wormhole.

I know you are all probably V12 lovers, but I’m genuinely stuck. This is meant to be fun ?????
It's horses for courses. Only you can decide. They are sufficiently different that you need to drive them both.

Van Dessel

99 posts

23 months

Sunday 21st March
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ANOpax said:
It's horses for courses. Only you can decide. They are sufficiently different that you need to drive them both.
Yes I can hardly wait until things open up a bit so i'm relaxed enuf to go for a test drive. Got my first jab today so almost free. A nice £95-105k FF or £135-145k T both appeal for different reasons. I plan on keeping it a while so the V8 with a couple years inclusive servicing left may be a slightly more dependable option financially.

I have searched for YouTube videos of how people have tuned the Ts exhaust note - the obvious objective is to bring it closer to the V12 - but there's a paucity of anything interesting. I wonder if a lot of Ts are still in that 3 year 'flip zone' where the original owner is running to car close to the letter to score a decent re-sale value, so not dicking around with them much? Or maybe there just isn't enough grunt to exploit so there's not much point? The Tributo and 488 can certainly sound mean but I've not come across anyone tapping into this with a T.

EmilA

1,251 posts

122 months

Monday 22nd March
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Anyone happy to share the rough costs of finance for one of these?

Mattjevans

197 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th March
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What’s views on the pricing of this please

https://birmingham.ferraridealers.com/en_gb/search...


ANOpax

432 posts

131 months

Saturday 27th March
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Mattjevans said:
What’s views on the pricing of this please

https://birmingham.ferraridealers.com/en_gb/search...
I don't have a view on the pricing but the carbon interior trim, lift and ventilated seats are nice to have. Be aware, though, that the brake calipers have been repainted and not very well at that. The front bumper also looks slightly misaligned.

If you want argento, at the money they are asking, I'd take the Other One advertised at 105k but with only 16k miles on it. It has front camera and a high grade leather interior although you're losing the lift and interior carbon.




Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 27th March 09:27

Mattjevans

197 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th March
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I’m less fussed about Argento vs the various shades of Grigio vs Black (or maybe at an outside chance green, I’m aware of the Meridien car), but I want a black interior, and ideally Daytona seats (though diamond is growing on me, and certainly the new Lusso “plain” style are lovely). Maybe I should think on blue a bit more. Certainly no to chocolate or the orange-tan.

I’d consider beige but I just bought as a family car a new (well, 22 miles...) Vogue yesterday (bargains to be had on pre-reg!) with a beige interior (although with my teenagers, the back seat may soon be chocolate) and ideally I want something a bit different. Though I can see you would miss a pano roof less with a beige interior as it would lighten it up inside.

Thanks for pointing that out on the brake callipers (what’s the telltale by the way?). The other slightly odd bit is they describe the warranty as “up to” 24 months. I mean is it 2 years or not !

The most recent market sale benchmark seems to be that Romans car - £115k (max, that was asking), 15k miles, 2015, high spec incl pano roof. Makes most of the asking prices of older/higher mileage/lower spec cars look a bit (or on some other cars a lot) fanciful (even adjusting this one back for 2 years of Power Warranty cost).

I’ve pointed the Romans sale out to one seller who has already failed to sell an older 15k miles car once this year, but he seemed unwilling to go below 105. I’m in no hurry so ....

I’m a bit biased as last year a friend of mine picked up an 18k miles car, 2015, factory CarPlay, pano roof and Capristo exhaust for £100k. But it was a mate of a mate deal and I know not replicable.

Ferruccio

1,507 posts

84 months

Saturday 27th March
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TheMonster said:
Can someone shed any light on pricing for FFs at the moment

there have been a couple on either Collecting Cars or The Market that seemed to go for much less than asking prices and i wonder whether that is where the market is, it was a bad week or something else.
Auctions are the only real, public data points for a sold as seen car.
They are the “market”.

Mattjevans

197 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th March
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Not really true. Any “market” is established by willing buyers and willing sellers, and market prices are simply the data points of those trades. Just because auctions are more visible doesn’t mean they set the market. Though obviously in an illiquid market like FF’s, 3 auction trades can make up half of the recent discoverable price data.

ANOpax

432 posts

131 months

Saturday 27th March
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Mattjevans said:
I’m less fussed about Argento vs the various shades of Grigio vs Black (or maybe at an outside chance green, I’m aware of the Meridien car), but I want a black interior, and ideally Daytona seats (though diamond is growing on me, and certainly the new Lusso “plain” style are lovely). Maybe I should think on blue a bit more. Certainly no to chocolate or the orange-tan.

I’d consider beige but I just bought as a family car a new (well, 22 miles...) Vogue yesterday (bargains to be had on pre-reg!) with a beige interior (although with my teenagers, the back seat may soon be chocolate) and ideally I want something a bit different. Though I can see you would miss a pano roof less with a beige interior as it would lighten it up inside.

Thanks for pointing that out on the brake callipers (what’s the telltale by the way?). The other slightly odd bit is they describe the warranty as “up to” 24 months. I mean is it 2 years or not !

The most recent market sale benchmark seems to be that Romans car - £115k (max, that was asking), 15k miles, 2015, high spec incl pano roof. Makes most of the asking prices of older/higher mileage/lower spec cars look a bit (or on some other cars a lot) fanciful (even adjusting this one back for 2 years of Power Warranty cost).
You're welcome (on the calipers). The tell is that the transfers are of poor quality with a shadow effect on the font and a white filled area inside some of the lettering.

Do give the blue interior a chance. It's semi-aniline leather which is furniture/luggage grade. It's dyed all the way through and wears with a beautiful patina as well as smelling fantastic. It won't peel or rub like 99% of the other printed and painted car leathers out there. We have it and my wife says it's like driving around inside an Italian handbag! I agree that the cioccolato and cuoio colours are a bit overdone. The only downside to a black interior is that it's just like any other high end German interior. The Italians do leather in a way that the Germans don't and it would be a shame not to take advantage of that.

And don't get too hung up on the pano roof - it has a certain wow factor but only the back seat passengers benefit from it as the windscreen is so steeply raked that the glass starts above/behind the driver's head. The rear seats already offer a different perspective from other four seaters anyway as they are raised relative to the fronts meaning that passengers look over/past the head of the driver rather than round the driver's shoulder.

Auction prices may be where the wholesale market is but if you have a specific list of requirements then your available options will be limited, especially with only 26 cars advertised right now. I think that this is why some sellers are not budging on price because they feel that they have a unique spec and are willing to wait for someone who wants it badly enough to pay up for it (the Meridien car springs to mind). Good luck thumbup

Ferruccio

1,507 posts

84 months

Saturday 27th March
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Mattjevans said:
Not really true. Any “market” is established by willing buyers and willing sellers, and market prices are simply the data points of those trades. Just because auctions are more visible doesn’t mean they set the market. Though obviously in an illiquid market like FF’s, 3 auction trades can make up half of the recent discoverable price data.
Auctions obviously involve, by definition, a willing buyer and a willing seller and are public.

Otherwise you have advertised prices, which are largely meaningless.

Silly SOR prices, don’t really have a willing seller and clearly don’t have a willing buyer which is why so many hang around for so long and/or move from one dealer to another.

The prices of cars at dealers who’ve put their own cash in are more meaningful.

But often what you are told about sale prices ain’t quite the truth.......