FF prices

[21ATS]

Spinner20 said:

Good call on the warranty. It's not just about the cost and coverage but if it helps you enjoy the car more then it's worth it. Depending on your next service you might want to look at the warranty with service plan they have. Mine is due a major next and actually it's worth having the combined plan rather than just the warranty.

Mine is just having a major service this week (approx £2.5k - part of the sale so I'm not paying for it) so the next one isn't due for a few years and we did run through the numbers.

The Power15 gives you warranty only £3,300 + vat

The Main Power15 gives you warranty and servicing.£4,200+vat

However if you don't claim on the Power15 you get a 30% discount next year when you renew it.

If you don't claim on the MainPower15 there's still no discount at renewal.

That's kind of a one way bet and it actually makes no sense to take the MainPower15. You may as well pay for servicing as you go it averages out at about £900+ vat each year.

[irfan1712]

really imformative thread - read it all from start to finish and there is some fantastic information here. Also very sad to see some pretty diabolical purchasing experiences from others elsewhere on the forum and Ferrari Chat with a few select dealers.

I've narrowed my search considerably to replace a W213 E63s - i did 20k a year for 4 years in that, it was that good. All i see is raving reviews about FF Ownership and another repetitive theme is how many people regret selling theirs. (Albeit i wont be doing 20k a year in one!)

Does anyone have any indicative finance deals on FF's they can share? I noticed a few pages back there was an interest only deal (30k in with circa £300 a month?) but im not sure how risky that is when it comes to moving the car on.

I'd like to run an FF for circa two years, possibly longer if i get on with it.

[21ATS]

irfan1712 said:

really imformative thread - read it all from start to finish and there is some fantastic information here. Also very sad to see some pretty diabolical purchasing experiences from others elsewhere on the forum and Ferrari Chat with a few select dealers.

I've narrowed my search considerably to replace a W213 E63s - i did 20k a year for 4 years in that, it was that good. All i see is raving reviews about FF Ownership and another repetitive theme is how many people regret selling theirs. (Albeit i wont be doing 20k a year in one!)

Does anyone have any indicative finance deals on FF's they can share? I noticed a few pages back there was an interest only deal (30k in with circa £300 a month?) but im not sure how risky that is when it comes to moving the car on.

I'd like to run an FF for circa two years, possibly longer if i get on with it.

An E63 (or RS6 for that matter) is going to be easier and cheaper to live with on a daily basis. But it's not a Ferrari.

An FF doesn't drive like a regular car, it took me about 1500 miles to actually understand how to drive it.....that sounds a bit odd but trust me when I say it's like nothing you will ever have driven before. That is good in many ways bad in others.

If I was in a situation where I needed to drive in traffic daily (in a major city) I'd be looking for a car with a traditional torque converter transmission.

Sitting in creeping traffic in an FF is not a fun place to be.

Fortunately I don't live in a city so I can use my FF as it was designed.

I came from an S6 Avant into the FF (via a false start with a Taycan) and there is nothing I would replace it with, probably not even the Lusso.

However if I lived in a city I'd be pottering around that in my electric Mazda.

As for finance, it's so dependent on your personal credit rating and relationship with vendors that it's really no representative looking at others packages. Pick a car and get some numbers.

My advice if you intend to move the car on in two years is buy one with a Pano roof and a good colour combination.

[MDL111]

I would think very carefully about running an FF for 2 years. You can get unlucky with repairs and depreciation at current inflated values and then selling after 2 years might hurt a lot financially.
In terms of the car, I just did 200km in mine and still love it, best daily driver around imo.

[irfan1712]

21ATS said:

irfan1712 said:

really imformative thread - read it all from start to finish and there is some fantastic information here. Also very sad to see some pretty diabolical purchasing experiences from others elsewhere on the forum and Ferrari Chat with a few select dealers.

I've narrowed my search considerably to replace a W213 E63s - i did 20k a year for 4 years in that, it was that good. All i see is raving reviews about FF Ownership and another repetitive theme is how many people regret selling theirs. (Albeit i wont be doing 20k a year in one!)

Does anyone have any indicative finance deals on FF's they can share? I noticed a few pages back there was an interest only deal (30k in with circa £300 a month?) but im not sure how risky that is when it comes to moving the car on.

I'd like to run an FF for circa two years, possibly longer if i get on with it.

An E63 (or RS6 for that matter) is going to be easier and cheaper to live with on a daily basis. But it's not a Ferrari.

An FF doesn't drive like a regular car, it took me about 1500 miles to actually understand how to drive it.....that sounds a bit odd but trust me when I say it's like nothing you will ever have driven before. That is good in many ways bad in others.

If I was in a situation where I needed to drive in traffic daily (in a major city) I'd be looking for a car with a traditional torque converter transmission.

Sitting in creeping traffic in an FF is not a fun place to be.

Fortunately I don't live in a city so I can use my FF as it was designed.

I came from an S6 Avant into the FF (via a false start with a Taycan) and there is nothing I would replace it with, probably not even the Lusso.

However if I lived in a city I'd be pottering around that in my electric Mazda.

As for finance, it's so dependent on your personal credit rating and relationship with vendors that it's really no representative looking at others packages. Pick a car and get some numbers.

My advice if you intend to move the car on in two years is buy one with a Pano roof and a good colour combination.

20k miles p/a in an E63s brings up some lovely maintenance and fuel bills - certainly not Ferrari territory but it closes the gap on my expectations slightly. In any case i probably should elaborate a bit more on my previous post, but the FF would be doing circa 8-10k year with me as a guess. I have other means to use as far as commuting goes, and i dont live anywhere near a city (thankfully). I do live very close to the Brecon Beacons and some of the best driving roads in the UK though where like my previous cars, i'd probably frequently stretch the legs of the FF on a weekend wtih a few Euro trips thrown in.

Im willing to wait for a 2015/2016 car albeit they are harder to come by, but i read the later cars come with the Pano roof anyway (its a must for me either way) . well aware of the PTU and DCT issues so im hoping to find a car with evidence both have been sorted. Not so hung up on miles - i'd rather buy on condition and history.

the one thing im reading conflicting costs on are replacement discs and pads - what are the estimate replacement costs and roughly what mileage are we expecting they last wtih mixed driving?

[21ATS]

irfan1712 said:

21ATS said:

irfan1712 said:

really imformative thread - read it all from start to finish and there is some fantastic information here. Also very sad to see some pretty diabolical purchasing experiences from others elsewhere on the forum and Ferrari Chat with a few select dealers.

I've narrowed my search considerably to replace a W213 E63s - i did 20k a year for 4 years in that, it was that good. All i see is raving reviews about FF Ownership and another repetitive theme is how many people regret selling theirs. (Albeit i wont be doing 20k a year in one!)

Does anyone have any indicative finance deals on FF's they can share? I noticed a few pages back there was an interest only deal (30k in with circa £300 a month?) but im not sure how risky that is when it comes to moving the car on.

I'd like to run an FF for circa two years, possibly longer if i get on with it.

An E63 (or RS6 for that matter) is going to be easier and cheaper to live with on a daily basis. But it's not a Ferrari.

An FF doesn't drive like a regular car, it took me about 1500 miles to actually understand how to drive it.....that sounds a bit odd but trust me when I say it's like nothing you will ever have driven before. That is good in many ways bad in others.

If I was in a situation where I needed to drive in traffic daily (in a major city) I'd be looking for a car with a traditional torque converter transmission.

Sitting in creeping traffic in an FF is not a fun place to be.

Fortunately I don't live in a city so I can use my FF as it was designed.

I came from an S6 Avant into the FF (via a false start with a Taycan) and there is nothing I would replace it with, probably not even the Lusso.

However if I lived in a city I'd be pottering around that in my electric Mazda.

As for finance, it's so dependent on your personal credit rating and relationship with vendors that it's really no representative looking at others packages. Pick a car and get some numbers.

My advice if you intend to move the car on in two years is buy one with a Pano roof and a good colour combination.

20k miles p/a in an E63s brings up some lovely maintenance and fuel bills - certainly not Ferrari territory but it closes the gap on my expectations slightly. In any case i probably should elaborate a bit more on my previous post, but the FF would be doing circa 8-10k year with me as a guess. I have other means to use as far as commuting goes, and i dont live anywhere near a city (thankfully). I do live very close to the Brecon Beacons and some of the best driving roads in the UK though where like my previous cars, i'd probably frequently stretch the legs of the FF on a weekend wtih a few Euro trips thrown in.

Im willing to wait for a 2015/2016 car albeit they are harder to come by, but i read the later cars come with the Pano roof anyway (its a must for me either way) . well aware of the PTU and DCT issues so im hoping to find a car with evidence both have been sorted. Not so hung up on miles - i'd rather buy on condition and history.

the one thing im reading conflicting costs on are replacement discs and pads - what are the estimate replacement costs and roughly what mileage are we expecting they last wtih mixed driving?

I've done around 2000 miles since I bought mine in early August.

I'm averaging around 250 miles a tank (circa 15mpg). Can go over 300 miles per tank on long runs.

Rather than anecdotal parts prices you can find them all here for yourself, real world.

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/P...

Brakes circa £4,000 per corner. Discs + pads.

I'm at 23000 miles my brake wear indicator is currently 38% - meaning I still have circa 62% left.

If you track the car you can kill the brakes quickly.

Don't get hung up on PTU or DCT repairs. The PTU repair cost is now around £11K not the 25K+ it used to be. If that bothers you buy a warranty.

Like you I was after a 2015/16 car, but the pool of vehicles is very small in that 24 month period. They do have the Stereo upgrade and may or may not have carplay (but won't have android auto). I'd still upgrade the stereo to something more modern (completely and easily reversible).

Mine is a 2014 with a pano roof.

[fflump]

Interesting example on CC. In an unpopular colour and no pan-roof could be a 'bargain' for a late model low mileage example.
Just don't try and sell it on!

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2016-ferrari-f...

[P. ONeill]

fflump said:

Interesting example on CC. In an unpopular colour and no pan-roof could be a 'bargain' for a late model low mileage example.
Just don't try and sell it on!

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2016-ferrari-f...

I like the exterior colour, it’s a red Ferrari and I really like the interior but they just don’t go together. How much should that sell for?

[fflump]

P. ONeill said:

fflump said:

Interesting example on CC. In an unpopular colour and no pan-roof could be a 'bargain' for a late model low mileage example.
Just don't try and sell it on!

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2016-ferrari-f...

I like the exterior colour, it’s a red Ferrari and I really like the interior but they just don’t go together. How much should that sell for?

Hard to tell. With pan roof and more popular colour retail would be around £130k.

The FF seems to be more popular in grey/silver. Reds tend to be slightly darker, 3-layer jobs than the Rosso Corsa of 2-seater V8s.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13892393

[haroonok]

Nice looking car but i suspect not a 2016 car as it has the earlier infotainment.

[P. ONeill]

haroonok said:

Nice looking car but i suspect not a 2016 car as it has the earlier infotainment.

It’s disappeared from collecting cars.

[21ATS]

Now correctly listed as a 2012 model. I had a look at the build and compared it to my car. I knew mine was a late 2013 build registered in the UK early 2014. This red car was built some time before mine - that's obviously been picked up and corrected.

Originally supplied to Indonesia, for some reason then registered new in the UK in 2016 (see the supplying dealer stamp in the service history book).

It will be interesting to hear the backstory of this - cancelled order or something.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

[P. ONeill]

Still on a 16 reg, I’m assuming import?

[21ATS]

P. ONeill said:

Still on a 16 reg, I’m assuming import?

That's why I'm interested to hear the backstory.

Potentially it may have been in some sort of customs limbo and never actually registered new until 2016. The vagaries of these things sometimes create anomalies.

Looking at the first service date and mileage it clearly sat unused for the first 4 years of it's life.

So it's a storied car from the word go and Rosso Corsa doesn't suit the FF, the same way as an S Class doesn't look good in Fire Opal (a Mercedes red), they are just too big.

I'm predicting sub £100k (maybe sub£90K) for this one - there are better options out there without odd history.

[pontypool]

21ATS said:

Rather than anecdotal parts prices you can find them all here for yourself, real world.

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/FF/FF_(RHD)/P...

Brakes circa £4,000 per corner. Discs + pads.

I'm at 23000 miles my brake wear indicator is currently 38% - meaning I still have circa 62% left.

I was quoted £6k including fitting and VAT for both front disks and pads by HR Owen which I was pleasantly surprised by from a main dealer considering the scare stories that get bandied about

Not sure I even need them at 35,000 miles but wanted to know what the potential could be, I should know the answer later this week.

[ANOpax]

pontypool said:

I was quoted £6k including fitting and VAT for both front disks and pads by HR Owen which I was pleasantly surprised by from a main dealer considering the scare stories that get bandied about

Not sure I even need them at 35,000 miles but wanted to know what the potential could be, I should know the answer later this week.

£3k per corner for discs and pads inc fitting and VAT seems very reasonable from a main dealer. I paid £600 per corner just for pads.

I can't imagine you'll be needing new discs at 35,000 miles unless your car has been on a track. Ferrari claim a disc life of 80,000 miles but in normal driving, they should last longer. We just bought an F12 with 25,000 miles on it and the front discs were 15% worn and the rears were 19% worn. Extrapolating from that, they should be good for 130-165,000 miles.

[Monkeybiz101]

It is worth checking if the sensors are reading the wear levels correctly. Mine indicated high wear, then the discs were sent to Brembo for weighing, which indicated they had lots of wear left, and then Maranello HQ reset the sensors. Apparently does happen with these sensors on the FF.

[21ATS]

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2012-ferrari-f...

Sold £90,500 + commission (£95,390)

[f1ten]

Yes and a far Eastern import... It wouldn't have been my money !

[pontypool]

Whoever gave me the £6k quote on the phone for new disks and pads had NOT added the VAT after all and so it will be £7,200 to get them done.

Not brilliant, but still not as bad as feared.