456 GT Tyrrells classic workshop video

456 GT Tyrrells classic workshop video

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PurpleTurtle

4,718 posts

108 months

Wednesday 30th September 2020
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barchetta_boy said:
One of the best channels on YouTube surely? And like everyone else I am now browsing 456GTs! As Iain took this one in p/x (it says in the video) maybe we’ll see it for sale soon on Tyrell’s classic cars website?
Isn't it just?. I'm glad how it's took off for him following his appearance on Harry's Garage Espada series (a highlight of the lockdown for me), Iain's biog shows that he's done a bit of acting, he does come across as a natural in front of the camera.


AJL308

4,742 posts

120 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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I've always loved the 456 - that beautiful shape with that staggering V12 engine. What a piece of engineering art! They can be had for not insane money these days considering they were around £175k well over 20 years ago. I'd love one, I could just about afford one and run it if I kept it for a couple of years. I've thought about it seriously previously but.......I'm really scared of the ownership experience ruining the dream, not least in terms of the vast financial resources it could swallow up. I read an article years ago about parts costs on these and it was heart-stopping, a bonnet was 8K and I think it was mentioned on a PH thread that they are somewhere around 25K today! The interior build quality around the dash apparently is less than stellar also. Apparently some had problems with cylinder bore linings shifting - that's potentially an enormous bill!

The Euromillions is £65m this week - I think I'll invest a fiver!

jtremlett

1,020 posts

186 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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I don't know what the cost of a 456 bonnet is but I don't get why people keep mentioning it in relation to 456s. Who ever buys a new bonnet for their car? If you have an accident then it should be the insurer who pays for it but it hardly seems relevant in terms of running costs. These aren't cheap cars to run but I really don't think you need to factor the cost of a new bonnet into the equation.

rat rod

1,683 posts

29 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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jtremlett said:
I don't know what the cost of a 456 bonnet is but I don't get why people keep mentioning it in relation to 456s. Who ever buys a new bonnet for their car? If you have an accident then it should be the insurer who pays for it but it hardly seems relevant in terms of running costs. These aren't cheap cars to run but I really don't think you need to factor the cost of a new bonnet into the equation.
I think AJL308 was just putting the cost of parts whether body panels or mechanics into perspective compared to the low value of
these cars now,

You are wright if lightly damaged you would repair it or claim on your insurance if badly damaged.

Only problem with mine was the fact i was in Spain when 3 items failed,if in the UK would have been less of a problem,

Like the valueless 400 best not to buy a 456 if you are constantly looking at the oil pressure and temperature gauges while
driving, Must admit to taking a couple of brave pills before we set off for the Ferry.

For me unless you need the extra seats it's to big and clumsy and to much of a financial liability so will stick with my 308 GTB
and F430 in future.

AJL308

4,742 posts

120 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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rat rod said:
jtremlett said:
I don't know what the cost of a 456 bonnet is but I don't get why people keep mentioning it in relation to 456s. Who ever buys a new bonnet for their car? If you have an accident then it should be the insurer who pays for it but it hardly seems relevant in terms of running costs. These aren't cheap cars to run but I really don't think you need to factor the cost of a new bonnet into the equation.
I think AJL308 was just putting the cost of parts whether body panels or mechanics into perspective compared to the low value of
these cars now,

You are wright if lightly damaged you would repair it or claim on your insurance if badly damaged.

Only problem with mine was the fact i was in Spain when 3 items failed,if in the UK would have been less of a problem,

Like the valueless 400 best not to buy a 456 if you are constantly looking at the oil pressure and temperature gauges while
driving, Must admit to taking a couple of brave pills before we set off for the Ferry.

For me unless you need the extra seats it's to big and clumsy and to much of a financial liability so will stick with my 308 GTB
and F430 in future.
Yes, that's essentially what I was saying. It's quite true that if it gets damaged then your insurance fixes it but when you have a car that's worth, maybe £50K, and a bonnet is half of that value on it's own then you don't have to damage too many bits for the insurance company to write it off. Again, you won't be out of pocket but that doesn't alter the fact that an amazing piece of art may get broken up for parts. I think I saw a thread on PH somewhere months ago where one was written off (possibly by the owners mate) for similar reasons. I recall it was a very, very pretty and unmolested one too.

If they're a bit fragile and you get big things happening like a cylinder liner shifting then that's a potentially enormous bill that isn't insured - or even a wrecked engine!

I appreciate the comments re it's size and potential financial problems and why you wouldn't have another. I've always liked the car though because it's rather understated looks. I find Ferrari's and other supercars too "shouty" for me. A 456 is a way I can see of acquiring some wonderful engineering in a lovely looking package without the hey, look at me statement that other cars make. Having said that, I always did want a 308 as I was a huge Magnum PI fan as a kid. I test drove a GTS around 2008 as they were ridiculously cheap at the time and I'd just come into a few quid but I found the driving experience to be terribly dated, to be honest and I felt at a few points the Enzo had somehow forgotten to install the brakes. Maybe it was just that particular example though.

Anyway, I spent most of last evening watching 456 porn on YouTube and I've decided that £50K-£60K is worth it for the noise alone! Must try to save a few quid.

rat rod

1,683 posts

29 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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AJL308 said:
Yes, that's essentially what I was saying. It's quite true that if it gets damaged then your insurance fixes it but when you have a car that's worth, maybe £50K, and a bonnet is half of that value on it's own then you don't have to damage too many bits for the insurance company to write it off. Again, you won't be out of pocket but that doesn't alter the fact that an amazing piece of art may get broken up for parts. I think I saw a thread on PH somewhere months ago where one was written off (possibly by the owners mate) for similar reasons. I recall it was a very, very pretty and unmolested one too.

If they're a bit fragile and you get big things happening like a cylinder liner shifting then that's a potentially enormous bill that isn't insured - or even a wrecked engine!

I appreciate the comments re it's size and potential financial problems and why you wouldn't have another. I've always liked the car though because it's rather understated looks. I find Ferrari's and other supercars too "shouty" for me. A 456 is a way I can see of acquiring some wonderful engineering in a lovely looking package without the hey, look at me statement that other cars make. Having said that, I always did want a 308 as I was a huge Magnum PI fan as a kid. I test drove a GTS around 2008 as they were ridiculously cheap at the time and I'd just come into a few quid but I found the driving experience to be terribly dated, to be honest and I felt at a few points the Enzo had somehow forgotten to install the brakes. Maybe it was just that particular example though.

Anyway, I spent most of last evening watching 456 porn on YouTube and I've decided that £50K-£60K is worth it for the noise alone! Must try to save a few quid.
Yes i think you could call the 456 a gentleman's Ferrari, very discrete and most are in low key colours,did see a red one quite local to me.
Looked like new but somehow didn't look wright in red,maybe to big or just not use to seeing them in that colour .

My car was black so went under the radar most of the time and got nowhere near the attention a mid -engined Ferrari gets.

About the 308 feeling dated yes it sort of is and after driving the 430 it does feel slightly antiquated even allowing for the fact mine is quite heavily modified but i quite like it that way as they complement each other..

Feel more connected in the GTB , needs more input from the driver to get the best from it , The 308 is no slouch having the factory spec Sprint Pack engine but the 430 is still quicker and just does it in a different way, could drive it daily if required, .

Probably being unkind calling the 456 clumsy,it handles well for such a heavy car and sounds like a world war 2 fighter plane when
opened up through the gears on a derestricted road,

There was a stunning 99 456 M GTA in Silverstone Auction at the weekend, only covered a genuine 4,236 miles from new.
TDF blue with Sabbia sand interior , sold for £76.500 , Problem for me was that it's automatic, which may not be for others.

Don't let me put you off buying one just make sure it's a mechanically sound and is probably best value V12 Ferrari although have noticed the 550 Maranello's are coming down in price making them more accessible.









Edited by rat rod on Monday 16th November 20:57

AJL308

4,742 posts

120 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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rat rod said:
Yes i think you could call the 456 a gentleman's Ferrari, very discrete and most are in low key colours,did see a red one quite local to me.
Looked like new but somehow didn't look wright in red,maybe to big or just not use to seeing them in that colour .

My car was black so went under the radar most of the time and got nowhere near the attention a mid -engined Ferrari gets.

About the 308 feeling dated yes it sort of is and after driving the 430 it does feel slightly antiquated even allowing for the fact mine is quite heavily modified but i quite like that way as they complement each other..

Feel more connected in the GTB , needs more input from the driver to get the best from it , The 308 is no slouch having the factory spec Sprint Pack engine but the 430 is still quicker and just does it in a different way, could drive it daily if required, .

Probably being unkind calling the 456 clumsy,it handles well for such a heavy car and sounds like a world war 2 fighter plane when
opened up through the gears on a derestricted road,

There was a stunning 99 456 M GTA in Silverstone Auction at the weekend, only covered a genuine 4,236 miles from new.
TDF blue with Sabbia sand interior , sold for £76.500 , Problem for me was that it's automatic, which may not be for others.

Don't let me put you off buying one just make sure it's a mechanically sound and is probably best value V12 Ferrari although have noticed the 550 Maranello's are coming down in price making them more accessible.







Edited by rat rod on Monday 16th November 19:17
I recall seeing a red one recently in Glasgow, I think. Manual too. Can't recall the price but seem to remember thinking that it was reasonable. Like yourself, I don't think they work well in red but perhaps would in a very deep red? The blues with a tan interior look amazing.

I'd definitely be going for a manual rather than an auto, to be honest. Yes, the auto box is arguably more suited to a GT car but......Ferrari V12 with a manual box - I'll probably never get the opportunity again!

I think I'll start saving!

AJL308

4,742 posts

120 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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https://youtu.be/udLojKD7kuk

That sound, honestly that sound! And you can have that for 60K which you'll get back when you sell? Free Ferrari V12 noise! What's not to love?


jayxx83

401 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th January
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I’m jumping in at the deep end this weekend on a 456 as my first Ferrari. Can’t even believe I’m writing this as it has been a childhood dream since about 8 years old!

Was going to go FF in a couple of years but this one is too good to ignore. It’s been serviced and maintained for Iain Tyrell for the past 7 years by its previous owner so has wanted for nothing.

I know big bills may arise, but it’s just had belts 18 months ago and all new brake and suspension hydraulic lines so just hopefully needing a quick oil service and once over (praying lol).

I know it won’t be the quickest or the sharpest. But having 2 kids and a mrs it’s nice to just enjoy something together on summer days and holiday trips.

Met some people at the Ferrari OC last year at salon prive and they were the nicest bunch! Can’t wait!!

rat rod

1,683 posts

29 months

Wednesday 27th January
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jayxx83 said:
I’m jumping in at the deep end this weekend on a 456 as my first Ferrari. Can’t even believe I’m writing this as it has been a childhood dream since about 8 years old!

Was going to go FF in a couple of years but this one is too good to ignore. It’s been serviced and maintained for Iain Tyrell for the past 7 years by its previous owner so has wanted for nothing.

I know big bills may arise, but it’s just had belts 18 months ago and all new brake and suspension hydraulic lines so just hopefully needing a quick oil service and once over (praying lol).

I know it won’t be the quickest or the sharpest. But having 2 kids and a mrs it’s nice to just enjoy something together on summer days and holiday trips.

Met some people at the Ferrari OC last year at salon prive and they were the nicest bunch! Can’t wait!!
Congratulations can feel your excitement, Most first time Ferrari buyers start at the shallow end with a 8 cylinder but as you said you've

dived straight into the deep end with a full blown 12 , Well done , at least the whole family can enjoy it with you,

There's nothing worse than leaving your 2 seater Ferrari in the garage on a nice summers day and having to drive your daily

driver because 4 won't go into 2, Enjoy driving





Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 27th January 20:57

jayxx83

401 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th January
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Thank you 🙏🏽

joxster

5 posts

166 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Great decision jay. I bought my 456 14 years ago. Have covered over 50k miles. Loved every single one of them. Had a few bills and a few breakdowns but nothing I regret. I chopped my 993 turbo in for it and don’t regret it one iota. Have a Mclaren as well now but you can’t beat the V12 for eating up the motorway miles. Have touted France, Spain and Italy. Does lack a bit of power 4up and when it’s in warm Mediterranean air. But over here it’s sharp as you need.
You’ll love it !

jango

52 posts

83 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Hi
I had one for a year and loved it, only sold it to buy a diablo but I have missed it so much so I bought another one last week.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_onTBLxU70BgvP...
Please watch my life with one

New one below

GordonGekko

28 posts

53 months

Thursday 1st April
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AJL308 said:
rat rod said:
Yes i think you could call the 456 a gentleman's Ferrari, very discrete and most are in low key colours,did see a red one quite local to me.
Looked like new but somehow didn't look wright in red,maybe to big or just not use to seeing them in that colour .

My car was black so went under the radar most of the time and got nowhere near the attention a mid -engined Ferrari gets.

About the 308 feeling dated yes it sort of is and after driving the 430 it does feel slightly antiquated even allowing for the fact mine is quite heavily modified but i quite like that way as they complement each other..

Feel more connected in the GTB , needs more input from the driver to get the best from it , The 308 is no slouch having the factory spec Sprint Pack engine but the 430 is still quicker and just does it in a different way, could drive it daily if required, .

Probably being unkind calling the 456 clumsy,it handles well for such a heavy car and sounds like a world war 2 fighter plane when
opened up through the gears on a derestricted road,

There was a stunning 99 456 M GTA in Silverstone Auction at the weekend, only covered a genuine 4,236 miles from new.
TDF blue with Sabbia sand interior , sold for £76.500 , Problem for me was that it's automatic, which may not be for others.

Don't let me put you off buying one just make sure it's a mechanically sound and is probably best value V12 Ferrari although have noticed the 550 Maranello's are coming down in price making them more accessible.







Edited by rat rod on Monday 16th November 19:17
I recall seeing a red one recently in Glasgow, I think. Manual too. Can't recall the price but seem to remember thinking that it was reasonable. Like yourself, I don't think they work well in red but perhaps would in a very deep red? The blues with a tan interior look amazing.

I'd definitely be going for a manual rather than an auto, to be honest. Yes, the auto box is arguably more suited to a GT car but......Ferrari V12 with a manual box - I'll probably never get the opportunity again!

I think I'll start saving!
The red car from the Glasgow dealer is now mine.
It belonged to a friend who fell ill and soon passed.
His heirs would not sell the car directly so it ended up with the dealer.
Quite an overt colour which is not really me, but it’s a lovely shape.

It’s a fantastic car to drive too; so powerful in the mid range rpm. 3rd and 4th gear are fabulous.

It will easily cruise at very high speeds.
After specialist servicing and a few niggles corrected it’s perfect.

The manual gearbox is lovely when warm, but a little reluctant from cold.

If anybody is considering a 456 they are highly recommended.

rat rod

1,683 posts

29 months

Friday 2nd April
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GordonGekko said:
The red car from the Glasgow dealer is now mine.
It belonged to a friend who fell ill and soon passed.
His heirs would not sell the car directly so it ended up with the dealer.
Quite an overt colour which is not really me, but it’s a lovely shape.

It’s a fantastic car to drive too; so powerful in the mid range rpm. 3rd and 4th gear are fabulous.

It will easily cruise at very high speeds.
After specialist servicing and a few niggles corrected it’s perfect.

The manual gearbox is lovely when warm, but a little reluctant from cold.

If anybody is considering a 456 are highly recommended.
Small world, I took mine down to southern Spain four up plus luggage , it was LHD so ideal for a European road trip,

Sounds like you are enjoying yours thumbup

Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 6th April 16:55

Van Dessel

95 posts

22 months

Tuesday 6th April
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This is going to go for a keen price. It's an older one but the LHD makes great sense if it spends a lot of time cross the continent: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1995-ferrari-4...

GordonGekko

28 posts

53 months

Tuesday 6th April
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rat rod said:
GordonGekko said:
The red car from the Glasgow dealer is now mine.
It belonged to a friend who fell ill and soon passed.
His heirs would not sell the car directly so it ended up with the dealer.
Quite an overt colour which is not really me, but it’s a lovely shape.

It’s a fantastic car to drive too; so powerful in the mid range rpm. 3rd and 4th gear are fabulous.

It will easily cruise at very high speeds.
After specialist servicing and a few niggles corrected it’s perfect.

The manual gearbox is lovely when warm, but a little reluctant from cold.

If anybody is considering a 456 are highly recommended.
Small world, I took mine down to southern Spain four up plus luggage , it was LHD so ideal for a European road trip,

Sounds like you are enjoying yours thumbup

Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 6th April 16:55
Yes it’s really a super car.
It cruises so easily, and on a blast was pulling hard at over 160mph over the weekend.
They are in my opinion the bargain of the marque and very underrated still.

If anybody is considering one, it would be a very worthwhile car to get own. Even with 90s quirks, the performance and looks more than make up for any deficiencies


ChocolateFrog

11,845 posts

137 months

Tuesday 6th April
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AJL308 said:
I've always loved the 456 - that beautiful shape with that staggering V12 engine. What a piece of engineering art! They can be had for not insane money these days considering they were around £175k well over 20 years ago. I'd love one, I could just about afford one and run it if I kept it for a couple of years. I've thought about it seriously previously but.......I'm really scared of the ownership experience ruining the dream, not least in terms of the vast financial resources it could swallow up. I read an article years ago about parts costs on these and it was heart-stopping, a bonnet was 8K and I think it was mentioned on a PH thread that they are somewhere around 25K today! The interior build quality around the dash apparently is less than stellar also. Apparently some had problems with cylinder bore linings shifting - that's potentially an enormous bill!

The Euromillions is £65m this week - I think I'll invest a fiver!
Cant say I follow that logic.

Has any owner ever had to pay for a bonnet?

I'm sure the odd insurance company has. Now things like starter motors, alternators, shocks, wishbones would have me wincing.

rat rod

1,683 posts

29 months

Tuesday 6th April
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GordonGekko said:
Yes it’s really a super car.
It cruises so easily, and on a blast was pulling hard at over 160mph over the weekend.
They are in my opinion the bargain of the marque and very underrated still.

If anybody is considering one, it would be a very worthwhile car to get own. Even with 90s quirks, the performance and looks more than make up for any deficiencies
Hope that 160 mph was on your Mexican trip not Glasgow, wink

GordonGekko

28 posts

53 months

Thursday 8th April
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rat rod said:
GordonGekko said:
Yes it’s really a super car.
It cruises so easily, and on a blast was pulling hard at over 160mph over the weekend.
They are in my opinion the bargain of the marque and very underrated still.

If anybody is considering one, it would be a very worthwhile car to get own. Even with 90s quirks, the performance and looks more than make up for any deficiencies
Hope that 160 mph was on your Mexican trip not Glasgow, wink
Via Germany, of course