Every day tips for living with a 599

[993rsr]

cake eater said:

Boleros said:

Cheers cake, will have a look at the link later. What of the surface of a carbon disc though, why so pitted? I realise the pitting isn't due to corrosion but still curious to know why it looks the way it does and whether that affects performance.

My very basic understanding is that the disc gets so hot it 'vents' off part of the disc material. Again, very basic internet wisdom says it's an oxidation process and the reason the disc must be weighed as the disc can become porous as well as pitted. CCM discs can pass minimum thickness but be under weight and this loses it's thermal capacity.

Some basic info here
https://www.redisc.si/en/news/brake-wear-vs-brake-...

To be honest I've not noticed any drop in performance but I'm hardly ever 'at limit' braking. Always need a little fup room

The high heat spikes actually oxidise the CCM fibres on the friction layer, that's the dark areas on the rotor surface where the friction surface has oxidised and you can see the fibrous body of the disc. Those era of CCM like early PCCB you have visual measurement and roughness criteria for when the rotor is beyond use. Running the pad so low won't help at all, I change at 60% worn, also and Endless pad will help as it manages the heat better than the OEM pads and also reduces wear to the discs. I've got mine from my CGT being refurbished at Rebrake at the moment, good pads, changing pads early all preserve the rotor life.

[cake eater]

993rsr said:

The high heat spikes actually oxidise the CCM fibres on the friction layer, that's the dark areas on the rotor surface where the friction surface has oxidised and you can see the fibrous body of the disc. Those era of CCM like early PCCB you have visual measurement and roughness criteria for when the rotor is beyond use. Running the pad so low won't help at all, I change at 60% worn, also and Endless pad will help as it manages the heat better than the OEM pads and also reduces wear to the discs. I've got mine from my CGT being refurbished at Rebrake at the moment, good pads, changing pads early all preserve the rotor life.

I agree about only using the pad to half thickness before changing and normally what I do. Just the left front getting much more worn out than the right caught me out. Tried Endless ME20 but was not as impressed with them as Pagid RSC1. Definitely better than OEM.

How's the service and quality at rebrake and product quality?

[993rsr]

cake eater said:

993rsr said:

The high heat spikes actually oxidise the CCM fibres on the friction layer, that's the dark areas on the rotor surface where the friction surface has oxidised and you can see the fibrous body of the disc. Those era of CCM like early PCCB you have visual measurement and roughness criteria for when the rotor is beyond use. Running the pad so low won't help at all, I change at 60% worn, also and Endless pad will help as it manages the heat better than the OEM pads and also reduces wear to the discs. I've got mine from my CGT being refurbished at Rebrake at the moment, good pads, changing pads early all preserve the rotor life.

I agree about only using the pad to half thickness before changing and normally what I do. Just the left front getting much more worn out than the right caught me out. Tried Endless ME20 but was not as impressed with them as Pagid RSC1. Definitely better than OEM.

How's the service and quality at rebrake and product quality?

Endless ME20 is not for CCM rotors, I run CCD-A and they are superb, night and day over OEM.

I'll post on the Porsche forum when I get them back shortly. All seemed well they arrived with them on the 4 June with a 4 week lead time, they are coming back now so it was more like 12 weeks, not an issue fortunately as the car was waiting for a recall and not able to be used, running tight as I'm off to Italy in two weeks!

Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 5th September 09:35

[cake eater]

993rsr said:

cake eater said:

993rsr said:

The high heat spikes actually oxidise the CCM fibres on the friction layer, that's the dark areas on the rotor surface where the friction surface has oxidised and you can see the fibrous body of the disc. Those era of CCM like early PCCB you have visual measurement and roughness criteria for when the rotor is beyond use. Running the pad so low won't help at all, I change at 60% worn, also and Endless pad will help as it manages the heat better than the OEM pads and also reduces wear to the discs. I've got mine from my CGT being refurbished at Rebrake at the moment, good pads, changing pads early all preserve the rotor life.

I agree about only using the pad to half thickness before changing and normally what I do. Just the left front getting much more worn out than the right caught me out. Tried Endless ME20 but was not as impressed with them as Pagid RSC1. Definitely better than OEM.

How's the service and quality at rebrake and product quality?

Endless ME20 is not for CCM rotors, I run CCD-A and they are superb, night and day over OEM.

I'll post on the Porsche forum when I get them back shortly. All seemed well they arrived with them on the 4 June with a 4 week lead time, they are coming back now so it was more like 12 weeks, not an issue fortunately as the car was waiting for a recall and not able to be used, running tight as I'm off to Italy in two weeks!

Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 5th September 09:35

I was advised buy r53 engineering who I was told was the official importer.

I was given two options MX72 and ME20. I think in the end I think I had a good chat with myself and talked myself into going with MX72.




How do the endless CCD-A compare to pagid RSC-1?

Maybe CCD-A were not available in the correct pad shape?

I'll look forward to your post on the Porsche forum. Would you please post a link here? I'm going to get my CCM weighed to see if they're okay to be refurbished. I believe that they do the refurbishment with newer 'mirror' carbon ceramic?
https://www.rebrake.de/.

[993rsr]

cake eater said:

993rsr said:

cake eater said:

993rsr said:

The high heat spikes actually oxidise the CCM fibres on the friction layer, that's the dark areas on the rotor surface where the friction surface has oxidised and you can see the fibrous body of the disc. Those era of CCM like early PCCB you have visual measurement and roughness criteria for when the rotor is beyond use. Running the pad so low won't help at all, I change at 60% worn, also and Endless pad will help as it manages the heat better than the OEM pads and also reduces wear to the discs. I've got mine from my CGT being refurbished at Rebrake at the moment, good pads, changing pads early all preserve the rotor life.

I agree about only using the pad to half thickness before changing and normally what I do. Just the left front getting much more worn out than the right caught me out. Tried Endless ME20 but was not as impressed with them as Pagid RSC1. Definitely better than OEM.

How's the service and quality at rebrake and product quality?

Endless ME20 is not for CCM rotors, I run CCD-A and they are superb, night and day over OEM.

I'll post on the Porsche forum when I get them back shortly. All seemed well they arrived with them on the 4 June with a 4 week lead time, they are coming back now so it was more like 12 weeks, not an issue fortunately as the car was waiting for a recall and not able to be used, running tight as I'm off to Italy in two weeks!

Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 5th September 09:35

I was advised buy r53 engineering who I was told was the official importer.

I was given two options MX72 and ME20. I think in the end I think I had a good chat with myself and talked myself into going with MX72.




How do the endless CCD-A compare to pagid RSC-1?

Maybe CCD-A were not available in the correct pad shape?

I'll look forward to your post on the Porsche forum. Would you please post a link here? I'm going to get my CCM weighed to see if they're okay to be refurbished. I believe that they do the refurbishment with newer 'mirror' carbon ceramic?
https://www.rebrake.de/.

I've not used RSC-1 but have run Endless for maybe 15 years on CCM and non CCM cars. They are superb, rock solid pedal even hot on track (unlike OEM) minimal wear - a dozen + track days and no need to flip the pads, little dust and kind to the rotor. They are not cheap, both axles on the CGT was just under £2k. I use R53 Engineering for my pads, the price delta is large for CCM vs non, I didn't think ME20 were suitable for CCM but maybe I've got that wrong, the blurb doesn't reference CCM. I also don't think MX72 are for CCM, just checked my invoice for a GR Yaris and they are MX72.

Mine are definately CCDA-1

Of course, they should be back in a couple of days, their proprietry CCM process improves over the original SGL Carbon rotor technique that my 2004 car has and assume yours. Here's a picture of one mine just during the final polish process today:

[cake eater]

993rsr said:

I've not used RSC-1 but have run Endless for maybe 15 years on CCM and non CCM cars. They are superb, rock solid pedal even hot on track (unlike OEM) minimal wear - a dozen + track days and no need to flip the pads, little dust and kind to the rotor. They are not cheap, both axles on the CGT was just under £2k. I use R53 Engineering for my pads, the price delta is large for CCM vs non, I didn't think ME20 were suitable for CCM but maybe I've got that wrong, the blurb doesn't reference CCM. I also don't think MX72 are for CCM, just checked my invoice for a GR Yaris and they are MX72.

Mine are definately CCDA-1

Of course, they should be back in a couple of days, their proprietry CCM process improves over the original SGL Carbon rotor technique that my 2004 car has and assume yours. Here's a picture of one mine just during the final polish process today:

I'm convinced. I'd been wary of rebrake because of some reviews online. Good enough for a CGT, good enough for a 599

I'll contact them. Thank you.

[993rsr]

cake eater said:

993rsr said:

I've not used RSC-1 but have run Endless for maybe 15 years on CCM and non CCM cars. They are superb, rock solid pedal even hot on track (unlike OEM) minimal wear - a dozen + track days and no need to flip the pads, little dust and kind to the rotor. They are not cheap, both axles on the CGT was just under £2k. I use R53 Engineering for my pads, the price delta is large for CCM vs non, I didn't think ME20 were suitable for CCM but maybe I've got that wrong, the blurb doesn't reference CCM. I also don't think MX72 are for CCM, just checked my invoice for a GR Yaris and they are MX72.

Mine are definately CCDA-1

Of course, they should be back in a couple of days, their proprietry CCM process improves over the original SGL Carbon rotor technique that my 2004 car has and assume yours. Here's a picture of one mine just during the final polish process today:

I'm convinced. I'd been wary of rebrake because of some reviews online. Good enough for a CGT, good enough for a 599

I'll contact them. Thank you.

In the early days they had some issues, under the new ownership things seem to be stable and good reports. There is another company in Slovenia, https://www.redisc.si/en/services/, similar pricing.

[cake eater]

Beautiful start to the morning



Plan is to head to Lugano and string a few passes together.

Start off following the motorway around Lake Geneva to Zermatt. Fill up with Shell V Power 100


First stop, Nuffenen Pass




Then onto St. Gottard Pass






Then to see where Bond did a little car flirting on the Furka Pass






Other side of the Furka Pass looking towards Grimsel Pass.


At the bottom, had to wait for the Furka train to pass


Then start the climb up Grimsel Pass. A quick stop to look back at Furka Pass






Grimsel Pass, home to some Marmots




Heading towards Susten Pass




Susten Pass, my favourite of the day.


Other side of Susten Pass




Onto Oberalp Pass




The Gottard Massif, source of 4 rivers





And then the final pass, Ospizio del Lucomagno, with the quietest road




And the drive to the hotel in Lugano.

The car has been pretty good, mostly there's been too much traffic to let loose. A few quiet hair pins were a source of amusement with CST off. The tunnels a constant source of childish play.
The roads generally good enough to be comfortable in race setting but the ride can be a little fidgety and with traffic I'm mostly in sport.
Sometimes the gearbox hesitates in auto or won't give a change on first pull of the paddle. I wonder if it's my poor timing of throttle application or lift?
Brakes have felt brilliant, like they'd put you through the windscreen at low to middle speed and only for the top half of the pedal. A few exciting moments telling me they're just not right when needed to be used hard.

600 km, 10 hours, 7 passes. Tired eyes but my arse and back don't feel it. She's the perfect partner on this journey

[samoht]

Wow, great stuff! Thanks for sharing - I'll bookmark this and hope to do something similar in future

[cake eater]

samoht said:

Wow, great stuff! Thanks for sharing - I'll bookmark this and hope to do something similar in future

My pleasure

This might help a little
https://www.thechediandermatt.com/explore/summer-a...

Click and download their roadbook.

And this also
https://alpen-paesse.ch/en/

[cake eater]

From Lugano we head to Zurich and thread a few more passes.

It's a nice start and everywhere there's a view. First is San Bernardino.







Then we head to Spluga








Swiss Italian border at Spluga


No pictures but the Italian side of Spluga is insane at some points, with the pass threading what feels like a cliff face.

Next Maloja Pass




Maloja opens up to two lakes, that are full of people foiling, wind and kite surfing.




We climb out of the valley to Julier Pass.


Hidden into the mountain side are military bunkers, gun emplacements. Apparently they're placed all over Switzerland and have everything from hospital to munition stores.


We continue on to Albula Pass












Next is Flüela Pass. There are some sections where the road is being repaired and there are gravel sections. Not so good on 30 section cup 2.












Next stop Zurich.






More gravel road




480 km, 8 hours and 6 passes

[PRO5T]

So many of these types of cars just sit around in heated garages. It’s an absolute joy to see yours being used as intended, it’s over ten years since I visited those passes as you have but the memories are irreplaceable.

I will return one day!

[cake eater]

PRO5T said:

So many of these types of cars just sit around in heated garages. It’s an absolute joy to see yours being used as intended, it’s over ten years since I visited those passes as you have but the memories are irreplaceable.

I will return one day!

Thank you, as much as I love looking at the car, it's so much more fun to drive it.

Switzerland is just fabulous. I hope you get to make new memories of these passes soon

[Boleros]

Call me paranoid but I think there’s a white Boxster filing you around…

[G-wiz]

Cake man; great pictures. That grey 599 looks sublime in those mountains.

[cake eater]

Next stop Bucharest



I have a 10am meeting, better not be late

[cake eater]

At the Romanian border. They want to see the V5. Then ask me to go back to the Hungarian boarder. No questions, just check something on a computer, speeding fines or vignette maybe?



Once in Romania, so far every full station only has 98 E10.

[cake eater]

Made it with time to spare.

On the map Sibiu south on the DN 7 looks fun but actually it's pretty horrible



So far Romania is wet mode as the roads are as bad as the UK

[cake eater]

Some pics from the Scuderia-S7 event courtesy of https://racepix.eu/

Dinner in the Porsche Lounge


Going to the gate


Long shot


Trail breaking.




Loaded up in carousel


And in mini carousel


Lights on, coming through

[cake eater]

Boleros said:

Call me paranoid but I think there’s a white Boxster filing you around…

Yeah, he's a friend but I'm trying to ignore him